The long overdue _Blade Runner

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yeah sometimes when i read her i'm reminded of where all maureen dowd's worst attributes come from. i also can't think of a single sci-fi film she really liked (altho if she hadn't retired she might've raved up mission to mars).

-- gypsy mothra (meetm...), April 17th, 2006.

otm!

― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

well if she didn't like sci-fi she didn't like sci-fi, what can you do.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there any major critic that does like sci fi?

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:03 (eighteen years ago) link

well, jonathan rosenbaum named blade runner one of the 15 best films of the decade.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Ebert!

(altho if she hadn't retired she might've raved up mission to mars).

oh man that movie

*begin digression*

mission to mars is soooo bad. we saw on it on my brother's b-day and he was so exasperated at the movie and its retardedness that when the alien hologram thingie shed a tear he burst out laughing in the crowded theater, making a bunch of others laugh with him. god bless my brother.

and goddamn the amount of eye shadow gary sinise wears in this movie.

*end digression*

― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I cannot score Rosenbaum. He's so inconsistent and so in love with the idea of reviewing movies that he seldom bothers to review them.

Ebert!

Ebert gave this movie three stars. He did not understand it at all.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:10 (eighteen years ago) link

he likes Sci-Fi though. that was all i was saying.

i think in one of his reviews he admitted he prolly would have rated it higher if he was reviewing it nowadays.

― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:12 (eighteen years ago) link

oh man. now i want to watch Ghost in the Shell, only because it's one of the three videos I have at my parents' house.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I will never forgive Ebert for giving Brazil two stars and defending his position for 20+ years.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

When we finally saw Batman Begins last year, there's a scene where the tubby sidekick is in the rain, wearing a trenchcoat, getting something to eat that looks like japanese food from a cart vendor. I remarked that it looked straight out of BR, and lo and behold:

Before the shooting began, Christopher Nolan invited the whole film crew to a private screening of Blade Runner (1982). After the film he said to the whole crew, "This is how we're going to make Batman."

― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link

and yet batman begins is otherwise very unbladerunnery

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I was going to say, that story simultaneously makes me go "Cool!" and then think, "Er, wait."

Though they do both have Rutger Hauer. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

and yet batman begins is otherwise very unbladerunnery

very true, but the scene seemed so close

― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:23 (eighteen years ago) link

hauer pauer

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link

lol at people finally figuring out Kael & Ebert are deeply flawed film critics, despite being "good" writers

― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

On the DVD for Magnolia, there's a bit where Anderson screens Network for the crew as inspiration. So maybe it's just a Hollywood ritual where the director makes everyone watch his favorite movie before shooting begins, whether it has any point or not.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

lol at people finally figuring out Kael & Ebert are deeply flawed film critics, despite being "good" writers

um... you think we just figured this out right now?

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I was in the Bradbury Building AND Union Station a couple weeks ago.

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, one of the many things i like about BR is the effects work, which still doesn't look dated, unlike the supposedly more "advanced" shit CGI we get 10-20 years later

― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

lol at people finally figuring out Kael & Ebert are deeply flawed film critics, despite being "good" writers

i was criticizing her writing, smuggo

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link

ARGH fuck a critic disquisition, BACK TO FILM.

http://www.itsvery.net/BladeRunner/Tyrell%20Office02.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, one of the many things i like about BR is the effects work, which still doesn't look dated, unlike the supposedly more "advanced" shit CGI we get 10-20 years later

-- kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (jdsalmo...), April 17th, 2006.

otfm! like 2001 and the first two Alien movies, it really holds up amazingly compared to other movies in the genre, then and now.

― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

has anyone evaluated scott as an action director?

I didn't care for Black Hawk Down that much, but it wasn't because of Scott - if anything his work was the one thing I liked about it.

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I WANT MORE LIFE

― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

FUCKER

― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

More human than human

― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

well, seems they show up on every film thread and are spoken of in largely positive terms, this is a rare one where people seem to see through their bs

xpost

sorry, Ned, others brought it up

― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, one of the many things i like about BR is the effects work, which still doesn't look dated

As I said upthread: "The visuals. God, what visuals. They do not age, which is point of discussion in itself. This movie should look dated, but it doesn't. Why?"

Maybe because, apart from the special effects it employs, it borrows so much from noir that it doesn't age? And that the city shots are so borrowed from every other futurescape ever (Metropolis especially) that they're more like amalgams of futurity than original visions?

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

also the color scheme, lighting, smoke, etc. make it a lot harder to see the seams in the opticals.

― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Surely, but that's a stroke of genius by itself. The future will have smog, because the present certainly does. There are many nights when I look at a hazy Chicago skyline and think, "That looks so Blade-Runner-y."

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link

but this is all...academic

― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i still gotta see black hawk down

what would this movie have been like if tony had directed it?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:49 (eighteen years ago) link

hoo boy

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link

but this is all...academic

I don't know what you mean. Please explain why talking about this movie is academic.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link

on the character-actor front, blade runner features probably the best work of the late brion james.

http://www.soniguales.com/fotos/LeonKowalski.jpg

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link

hi kenan fyi when i said you sounded like an ass i was referring not to your "alien" comment but to this: "I once broke up with a girl because she didn't understand the dove"

i mean, i know, comic exaggeration and all, but it's still comes from a pretty ass-y place.

― amateurist0, Monday, 17 April 2006 05:55 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost: in fact there's a whole bunch of people whose best movie is blade runner: sean young, edward james olmos, rutger hauer, william sanderson. daryl hannah? probably.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Ok, how about this -- I once broke up with a girl when I was 20 years old because we had a two-hour conversation about Blade Runner during which she made it abundantly clear to me that she was not as smart as I am, or indeed most people I knew at the time. This was not a long or significant relationship. Better?

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:00 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a line from this movie.

― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link

And also, seriously amst, coming from an assy place shouldn't bother you as much as you pretend.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link

kenan sometimes it's hard to believe that you're not putting us on, at least a little bit.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

what?

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.launchcommit.com/images/65.jpg

― amateurist2, Monday, 17 April 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

why don't we start a thread about what a dick i am and keep the one and only Blade Runner thread pure and unsullied?

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, damnit... too late.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i used to say this was my favorite movie, now i watch it less and less often because it seems to get worse with repeat viewings. there's a fair amount of ham-fisted stuff in this movie. i guess as i get older, i find myself getting turned off of movies that are unnecessarily cruel to the characters. i used to think sebastien and clarice and chiu were lovely and poetic and now i get the same icky feelings watching them as i do when i watch spike jonze relentlessly abusing his characters in "being john malkovitch".

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:21 (eighteen years ago) link

then again, misanthropy has put me off of philip k dick's work for a long, long time now so i guess i shouldn't be surprised.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

to the comment about this being the greatest sci-fi movie ever, i'd say probably not. i always think of bladerunner as connected to that moment in my life right after high school when i suddenly decided there was nothing better that film had to offer than film noir, westerns and japanese samurai movies. as you can probably guess, i thought girls were pretty confusing then. i feel like i've outgrown that and i guess outgrowing bladerunner is somehow connected.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:26 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway it's funny that kenan brought up "alien" upthread because i'd put it in the list of "sci fi movies better than bladerunner".

(in no particular order)

1. alien
2. john carpenter's "the thing"
3. la jetee
4. videodrome
5. the old "war of the worlds"
6. back to the future
7. terminator
8. close encounters of the third kind
9. total recall
10. clockwork orange
11. 2001
12. solaris

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:31 (eighteen years ago) link

13. dawn of the dead

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:32 (eighteen years ago) link

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