Will Oldham/Palace/Bonnie Prince Billie: S&D

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I liked Ease Down The Road a lot actually. Master and Everyone is kind-of along the same lines, but it just sounds like a mediocre fake Oldham (Fauxldham? *rimshot*). Have you heard the best-of?

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

no, musically. something about the tempo maybe?

jess, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"madeline mary" off of i see a darkness is pretty much reggae.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

oldham guests on the forthcoming sage francis elpee.

i'm not kidding.

alindall, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i quite like master and everyone.
its more somber than ease down the road i would say, and more sparse, but not as sparse as the palace stuff

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I completely adore I See A Darkness and find Master And Everyone pleasant but just OK.

What should I buy next?

a) Ease On Down The Road
b) The Lost Blues comp
c) Arise, Therefore
d) Not these ones you nut
d) Bugger it, get them all

BTW, I no longer have the indie guilt referred to up thread. I drowned it in the bath tub last week, most satisfying.

piers (piers), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

c)

PLUS the "one with the birds"/"take however long you want" single.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

or dude, just read up thread, this has been covered.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Cool, OK - yep just read the entire thread. Ummmmm, thinking...

piers (piers), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I absolutely love Master & Everyone, almost as much as I See A Darkness. It's very Pink Moon - a very heavy man whispering his mind in your ear. I've found it engaging with every listen.

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

d) + the Hope EP

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

will is a very heavy man?

|a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Will Oldham because on at least 4 different occasions, I've played him in the background while talking to female friends of mine who generally are not into music at all, and they are completely captivated by it. Until I show 'em the beard, of course.

Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, he also played Naive Melody, Life During Wartime, Psycho Killer and Blind, for fuck's sake - Blind!

Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Um, I believe I was supposed to post that in a Talking Heads thread. Still, it would be good if the 'Prince' gave some 'Heads a seeing to.

Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I miss my lost copy of 'days in the wake.'

cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 4 September 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
No love for Joya here? I like it.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Monday, 20 September 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Just bought and listening to Arise, Therefore....hmmmm, dark yeah, interesting. Next will be something more melodic, but have to let this sink in first. Think I'll go with either Ease On Down The Road or Viva Last Blues or Lost Blues comp as mentioned upthread.

piers (piers), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember joya being a disappointment, but it's been so long since i've listened to it....

piers are you looking for a oldham cd to buy next? i'd recommend "i see a darkness" and then probably one of the two "lost blues" comps and then "days in the wake". "master and everyone" is better than "ease down the road," i think, though both are good. i actually find latterday oldham more interesting than earlier oldham even if the records haven't been perfect.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Howdy amateur!!!st - yeah i guess i am! I do have I See A Darkness and Master And Everyone, and while I like the latter, I love the former.

Arise, Therefore is good so far, but only first listen. Based on what you said I think I'd go with the two lost blues comps and maybe days in the wake. Jess also posted a pretty good S&D way upthread including the first Palace album. He has a fun, if bewildering, back catalog to explore eh?

piers (piers), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

to second what Douglas said waaay upthread, there was a time when Palace singles were EVENTS. from the rustic art/photos to how each side complemented the other, to what the new name was for Will ("Little Willy Bulgakov" "Pushkin" etc.), the whole package was mysterious, satisfying to impressionable ears, and they would disappear instantly. at least thru "Every Mother's Son." don't think Lost Blues quite replicates that heady feeling.

BbetaA, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i think ease on down the road is far superior to master and everyone. there doesnt seem to be much meat in either production or lyrics of master like there is to ease on down the road and especially i see a darkness.

tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

did i talk about "just to see my holly home" upthread? i'm in love w/that song

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

you talked about it many times.

i have this theory in which i see a darkness is real late at night and ease on down the road is the morning after.

tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

you talked about it many times.

well, that makes me feel like a boring old professor, thanks ("yes, mr. amateurist, we've this one already").

that's not a very evolved theory.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link

arise therefore possesses the epitome of w'oldham's essence. david grubbs' piano work makes the album a bold sumpreme.

rsssgnld;s, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

best BPB - Master and Everyone
best Palace Brothers/ Music - Viva Last Blues (though I haven't heard Days in the Wake in forever)

I'm having trouble with BPB sings Greatest Palace Muscic.

Will (will), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I also love Master and Everyone although I don't know that I would rate it higher than Darkness or Road. All 3 are great.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

well theres more to it, but i dont quite have to energy to expound. that seems to be the case of most of my "theories" or "ideas."

tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i feel you

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I had been trying to get a copy of the Bonnie/Brightblack split E.P. for ages. I finally jumped the S0les33k train and found it's all over there -- but everyone seems to have the same damaged copy - all of the Bonnie songs have this digital glitch sound running through them. I briefly thought that maybe it was intentional, but at several points it stutters or cuts off Oldham's notes, and just generally sounds like a CD Burner misfunction.

I am finding this completely frustrating, since I am obsessed with his "Brokedown Palace" cover, and the other songs are similarly blowing my mind.

Does anyone have an actual copy of this e.p.? Is it available anywhere? Goddamn it, it's amazing.

Chuckling at the Tomkat's Marquee (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got a thing for the "Western Music" ep. Four songs, half shimmering chamber music with big band at Albini's, half recorded solo on a dictaphone/what-have-you in the kitchen or wherevers. Great as the last thing to play in the evening.

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Ease Down The Road" is one of my favorite songs (though the album of that name is a mixed bag): "A fireman her husband was/and so to give him duty/I duly tried to light a fire/upon his rightful booty"

The Oldham/Tweaker song from that single is surprisingly good (Happy Child). Otherwise, I think Viva Last Blues is probably his strongest release. I also like most of the stuff on the Palace Music disc and the cover of "In My Mind"

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Hurting mostly OTM; that song is great, though I find that the album never gets the credit it deserves.

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I definitely prefer Oldham with a band to without. I do like the first album though (There is No One...)

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and I guess it's not on this thread, but on some Oldham thread I complain about how I See A Darkness is inferior to both the album directly before it and the one directly after it. Seriously. That album is probably my least played of Oldham's, and while it contains some fine songs (the title track, "Black" and "Madeline Mary" most notable), I don't think it holds up overall. It baffles me that so many people consider it his best work.

xpost. The first album is great!

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

His singles >>>>> his albums.

He's playing a secret show here near SF in a week and a half.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

He's playing in L.A. with Matt Sweeney at McCabe's guitar shop in Santa Monica, playing the Superwolf stuff. I just got my tickets.

So does anyone have the Brightblack split? I am desperate for those tracks.

Chuckling at the Tomkat's Marquee (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, that's this Sunday night, incidentally

Chuckling at the Tomkat's Marquee (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"secret"

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

He's not on any of the press or fliers.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

is this before or after his in-store at Amoeba (which I don't think I can make...)
Dish the dirt Secret Agent Man!

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 13 January 2005 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I bought "Summer in the Southeast," which has a lyric sheet -- the words to some of his more recent songs are particularly good, in that Oldhammy way (especially "Beast for Thee" and "Ease Down the Road").

Although (and big surprise) - AC/DC is such the clear winner here:

http://users.bart.nl/~ljmeijer/oldham/lyrics/balls.htm

morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno, I'd say it was a tie

chris besinger (chris besinger), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean check Bon's line

"and my balls are always bouncing
my ballroom always full
and everybody cums and cums again"

vs Oldham's

"we could be eating pudding
but we'd rather place our balls
in their mouths when they are eating"


chris besinger (chris besinger), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say AC/DC's are simple and clever; Will's are somewhat labored and "clever." But that's how his lyrics are, and it's not a bad thing - he has a distinct style, and can be a really good lyricist - I just don't think it's a fair match-up in this case.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
A lot of Will's stuff may seem dull to the uninitiated, but for those willing to take the plunge there's a wealth of very rewarding material scattered about his discography. There's something about the guy that really inspires the compulsive collecting tendency in people, I know I've hunted down about 95% of his recorded material.

As mentioned, he's a very unique personality that somehow defies the rich boy charlatan role he could've easily fallen into. As a lyricist he's particularly interesting, simultaneously arcane, profane, and abstractly eloquent. Musically, he rarely repeats himself, making him confounding and exciting in equal measure. If his new single Cursed Sleep is any indication, expect his new album to be heavily orchestrated (swelling strings) with r&b/soul-inspired vocals (see his live cover R. Kelly's Ignition for reference).

His discography is intimidating, so I'll give a rundown of what you might want to start out with.

1) I See a Darkness - easily Oldham's most accessible and some would say best. Bleak yet very listenable.

2) Lost Blues and Other Songs - the perfect introduction to Palace era Oldham, contains nearly all of his classic singles. Essential.

3) Ease Down the Road - a great companion piece to I See a Darkness. A bit bouncier, the lyrical bent favors sex over death this time around.

Here's a little rundown of the rest of his more prominent releases, in roughly chronological order.

1) 'There is no-one, What will take care of you' - his first LP, very ramshackle and primitive (in a charming way of course).

2) 'Days in the Wake' - sparse and lo-fi, sounds like it was recorded on a boom box. Just Oldham and a guitar for the most part.

3) 'Viva Last Blues' - probably the best Palace LP. Rocking in a woozy, drunken kinda way. Solid Albini production.

4) 'Arise, Therefore' - Dirge-like, methodical, repetitive. Some use of the drum machine. A few songs remind me of Smog honestly. As evidenced by the thread, it's a fairly divisive album.

5) 'Joya' - No real explicitly defining characteristics. Sounds like an Oldham record. It's a solid release, nonetheless.

6) Guarapero: Lost Blues 2 - A collection of rarities. Very hit or miss, as would be expected.

---- entering Bonnie Prince Billy era ----

I've already mentioned I See a Darkness and Ease Down the Road, so i'll give them a pass.

1) Master & Everyone - very gentle, front porch, hushed-whisper acoustic album. It's all very pretty, lead off track 'The Way' is particularly stunning.

2) Sings Greatest Palace Music - Incredibly divisive album. Sees Oldham revisiting some classic Palace songs with glossy Nashville production. Very bizarre to say the least.

3) Superwolf - Skeletal and guitar driven. 'Spindly' seems like an appropriate adjective. Matt Sweeney provides a great backdrop for Oldham's vocals.

4) Summer in the Southeast - A fairly rocking live collection. Oldham reworks a lot of older songs to interesting effect.

5) The Brave and the Bold - Oldham teams up with Tortoise for a covers album. This didn't work for me at all, two great tastes that do not taste great together. His covers of Elton John's 'Daniel' and Springsteen's 'Thunder Road' are the only memorable cuts.

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Well, that about covers the big ones. Jump in.

paid in cigarettes (paid in cigarettes), Friday, 14 July 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

GREATEST PALACE MUSIC just stays in my changer, it's been there for a year. After everything I play for visitors or whatever, it comes on. Nobody ever asks what it is. Everybody likes it. It never, ever gets stopped. Very odd phenomenon!

I, personally, love it so much that it no longer bothers me when it comes on after I've forgotten it's in there. Even my wife, who so rarely likes anything I do, just accepts it as beautiful wallpaper. It's so damn tasty in so many ways.

matt riedl (veal), Saturday, 15 July 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

I've been enjoying Joya a lot lately - Oldham's last couple of releases have been a bit saccharine for my taste, and I stopped listening to him for a while, so it's nice to remember what the Oldham I was originally taken in by sounded like.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 3 June 2007 13:09 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Search: Ask Forgiveness EP (Nov 20th)

1. I Came Here to Hear the Music (Mickey Newbury cover)
2. I’ve Seen It All (Björk cover)
3. Am I Demon (Danzig cover)
4. My Life (Phil Ochs cover)
5. I’m Loving the Street (Will Oldham original)
6. The Way I Am (Mekons / Merle Haggard / Sonny Throckmorton cover)
7. Cycles (Frank Sinatra cover, written by Gayle Caldwell)
8. The World’s Greatest (R. Kelly cover)

StanM, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link


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