the alt-right

He definitely blossomed into a full shitbag at some point

apparently he loves amy schumer which surprises me. i guess he's kinda iconoclastic? still a douchebag no doubt but i like him lecturing stupid taki commenters

"The Trump-supporting American alt-right media believes Ed Miliband was a ‘hit-man and fixer’ for Hillary Clinton"

http://evolvepolitics.com/the-trump-media-have-outed-ed-miliband-as-a-fixer-and-hit-man-for-hillary-clinton/

This is so brilliant. I can imagine British guys sympathetic to alt-righters being unable to swallow this.

loooool

this seems relevant? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/01/the-ruthlessly-effective-rebranding-of-europes-new-far-right

It's a bit more subtle than that article, some of the parties, like the Sweden Democrats, has a neo-nazi past, while others, such as Danish Peoples Party, come from old populist movements, specifically anti-tax movements. Also, I honestly don't believe the populists will transform politics. The article says Nasser Khader was wrong when he said 'influence' would weaken DPP, but that's a quirk. It's not influence that the populists can't deal with, it's responsibility. In Norway, the populists (called Fremskridtspartiet) are on the retreat, after having went into government as one of the first populist parties, and done a shit job of it. At the last election, by all rights, the DPP should have had the post of prime minister, they were the biggest party on the right, but they didn't even want to get into government. They wanted to stand aside, get anti-immigration measures passed, and basically not have to deal with complex economic questions. That's been impossible, though, as the right-wing coalition now includes some very rabid libertarians, who wants to pass austerity measures and save up for tax cuts for the rich, which the DPP agreed to in the past, back when they were minor partners, but can't agree to now without losing their socialist credentials. So they're already in trouble, and on top of that they've just been caught in a giant EU scandal concerning millions of kroner that has been misspent. The problem is they're lying hypocrites, and that will eventually be exposed.

I'm not sure the alt-right is all that relevant to what's happening in much of Europe. Possibly more so to Raheem Kassam's abortive attempt to take over UKIP - he's closer to the contrarian, young, meninist, @PepeHimmer1488 demographic than most and i have a feeling that he wouldn't have won even if he was white. He is the direction Arron Banks, the main donor to UKIP, wants to go in, but the party is largely made up of weird old conservatives who don't particularly get it.

The FN has quite a lot of the youth vote but, as the article says, has been trying to campaign more to the disaffected on the myth of economic competence than in the past. Like UKIP, it has a weak base and, if the reports of the party being bankrupt and scratching around for loans in the UAE are to be believed, close to no financial backing. As Frederik says, the biggest problem a lot of the parties have is that, beyond one or two vaguely credible figureheads, they're mostly eccentrics and incompetents who can't actually deliver anything when in positions of authority.

The big risk is that more serious libertarian figures - your Peter Thiels rather than Arron Bankses - start piling enough money in to the parties to enable them to pivot away from protest votes and fig-leaf conservatism and towards an ostensibly competent technocratic fascism but i think they're probably happy enough with the status quo for now.

https://s11.postimg.org/isojehuw3/Cw_Hwm_Z9_XYAE12_Mk.jpg

lol

This has been brought up a few times but someone here must have an idea. How does the alt right manage to get onto everyone's youtube recommendations? What are they doing that every other group desperate to send a message isn't doing?

Newest such video on my youtube front page is "Varg says it best again: how to deal with muslim terrorists" from a channel called "Alt Right Finland".

If you watch a Varg video, it's too late to bolt the door; he'll infest your recommendations forever

I watched some of those men's rights videos with the bald guy and the skulls and my youtube recommendations were littered with that for over a year, no matter how many times I clicked on "not interested" or whatever. Currently nothing in my recommended like that, but it was like a plague for a while.

xxp - I had that, but with Bill Burr videos. I don't remember ever even clicking on a Bill Burr video and no amount of 'I don't want to see this' would stop the recs.

I don't get much Burzum music recommendations somehow but I'm sure I'll get many more alt right videos quoting Varg

Been watching a lot of Burr videos on youtube recently, enjoying a lot of it. The way some of his fans label his videos you can tell they want (NEED) him to be far more prejudiced and conspiracy crazy than he is. They do this with Chapelle too and probably a lot of other comedians. Like you have a 10 minute video and the title is something like "comedian explains why women are worthless and totally DESTROYS them" and there's just one brief joke about women in the whole thing. Now those fans are calling him a traitor for making fun of conspiracy nuts and racists.
I did hear him say he used to be into conspiracy stuff though.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 12:47 (one month ago)

From a stand-up comedy thread.

Burr keeps mocking Trump and calling him a sex offender with bigot supporters yet people are still making videos with titles as if he's a Trump supporter. A new one with a title states Burr supporting Trump but in the video he's doing the opposite.

i wonder if that's an attempt to troll trumpers?

I don't know but it seems like an awful lot of people somehow feel betrayed and utterly shocked that Joe Rogan, Sam Harris and Bill Burr hate Trump.

Sam Harris hates Trump?

oh wait nm i knew that. i was thinking of sam hyde

jesus actual christ

https://twitter.com/TheRickyVaughn/status/793614382538317824

legit surprised rogan is antitrump

ah yes famous alt righer MRA poster child and serial murderer elliot rogers at the bottom

This has been brought up a few times but someone here must have an idea. How does the alt right manage to get onto everyone's youtube recommendations? What are they doing that every other group desperate to send a message isn't doing?

Newest such video on my youtube front page is "Varg says it best again: how to deal with muslim terrorists" from a channel called "Alt Right Finland".

― Robert Adam Gilmour

i'm not sure, but they're definitely gaming the youtube recs system hard. i wish youtube would either fix it or let me turn off their recommendation engine. i watch sam bee, italian film soundtrack videos, and metroid speedruns and from that my recommendations are flooded with alt-right bullshit. (it's probably the metroid speedruns.)

they also have reddits algorithm found out which is why /r/the_donald is always dominating. that and redditors are into that shit.

It's weird how some things just don't get recommended at all. I watch loads of old film trailers but never get them recommended.

i watch sam bee, italian film soundtrack videos, and metroid speedruns and from that my recommendations are flooded with alt-right bullshit. (it's probably the metroid speedruns.)

― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Wednesday, November 2, 2016 1:36 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha was gonna say no mystery at all

youtube can probably live with not fixing their algorithms because there's enough good content on there that i'm not going to flee the site (though if someone wrote a plugin that blocked youtube's recommendation engine in-browser i'd sure as hell install it), but i have pretty much abandoned reddit. if your site doesn't regulate hate speech, it turns into a hate speech site.

reddit, outside of the_donald and the MRA subs (and metacanada – the canadian the_donald) seems p universally appalled by the_donald to me. there's been a few discussions making it to the top about how they must have some up-vote bots rigged and on overdrive for that sub.

i'm now thinking about how tough it might be to build a custom youtube recommendation plugin. i have the same thing happening with anti-liberal stuff during the last election – for some reason if you were watching a liberal party vid, it would start recommending all these nazi/hitler videos. really fucking weird.

when i've cruised through that cesspool i've seen links recommending that the 'centipedes' screw with search results...somehow. like, GIS 'rapist' and it'll come up bill clinton or whatever. i have no idea how this actually works irl

reddit, outside of the_donald and the MRA subs (and metacanada – the canadian the_donald) seems p universally appalled by the_donald to me. there's been a few discussions making it to the top about how they must have some up-vote bots rigged and on overdrive for that sub.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall)

yes, most of them are more Richard Russell types

ok i figured out how to get it running. it's here:

https://youtube.adblockplus.me/

this is an adblock plus script, but it also works on ublock origin (which you should be using instead of adblock plus anyway). it blocks recommended videos, comments, the whole shebang. whew.

but comments are half the fun

^ alt-right

Not 100% on-topic but this seems like the better place for it:

Trump fans on my FB feed KEEP posting memes like this that supposedly expose the Clintons or Obamas as hypocrites because they might listen to or have some association with Jay-Z or Beyonce. Like, I'm up for talking about sexism in popular music lyrics but this is the best political argument you can make, guys?

They might also pick an example of sexism in popular music lyrics?

Yeah, that particular meme is especially weird that way.

Like it's an inborne and tribally reinforced inability to differentiate sexism from sexually explicit

What happened with that Ed Miliband thing? Did they backpedal once they realised who he is/what he's like?

lol like these idiots have any interest in self-reflection or correcting errors

It's just one of my favourite political related things this year and part of me wants them to be humiliated by this, part of me wants them to keep going and insist he's this assassin who keeps getting away with it.

Yeah, it'll live on in a 40-source imgur, the url for which will be pasted into other imgurs unto eternity.

Which reminds me that I haven't heard much about the medical handler with the epipen - I think Clinton being clearly in good health for the first debate probably cleared a certain amount of that out?

Been reading a bunch about these creeps lately, seems like it moved from "new masculinity" to PUA to MRA to Reaction to alt-right in a pretty speedy succession. IMO these guys are dangerous, because they're spreading a dangerous memeplex more than because they're a serious threat in their own right (like, most of them probably don't leave their basements much but their ideas lean so readily to Nazi-like conclusions that I worry about the ideas getting normalized). Like the Slate Star Codex guy, I find the philosophy kind of fascinating if creepy. It's all a bit cult-like & with the US election results & unrest in Europe... I dunno. Just wanted to keep this thread alive.

Was reminded of the Neo-Victorians that featured in some Neal Stephenson book (was it The Diamond Age?) & how at the time I read it, I was like, "yeah, of course there's going to be a generation that gets tired of dressing like slobs and misses strict gender and class roles & formality & tries to bring that back." Hadn't really imagined what that would look like outside of a fashion subculture, though, like bringing back all the race-superiority and sex-normativity of a bygone era so essentially shitty that we spent the whole 20th century trying to escape its shackles.

the alt-right enters the white house

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump on Sunday chose Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee and a loyal campaign adviser, to be his White House chief of staff, turning to a Washington insider whose friendship with the House speaker, Paul D. Ryan, could help secure early legislative victories.

In selecting Mr. Priebus, Mr. Trump passed over Stephen K. Bannon, a right-wing media provocateur. But the president-elect named Mr. Bannon his senior counselor and chief West Wing strategist, signaling an embrace of the fringe ideology long advanced by Mr. Bannon and of a continuing disdain for the Republican establishment.

The dual appointments — with Mr. Bannon given top billing in the official announcement — instantly created rival centers of power in the Trump White House.

Mr. Bannon’s selection demonstrated the power of grass-roots activists who backed Mr. Trump’s candidacy. Some of them have long traded in the conspiracy theories and sometimes racist messages of Breitbart News, the website that Mr. Bannon ran for much of the past decade.

The site has accused President Obama of “importing more hating Muslims”; compared Planned Parenthood’s work to the Holocaust; called the conservative commentator Bill Kristol a “renegade Jew”; and advised female victims of online harassment to “just log off” and stop “screwing up the internet for men,” illustrating that point with a picture of a crying child.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/14/us/politics/reince-priebus-chief-of-staff-donald-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Someone on another forum I go to was linking to The Daily Sheeple and it says that there's paedophile codewords in Hillary and Podesta's emails, about a satanic sex ring cult. I didn't click on the link but is it a parody site or something?

I was a overcautious because I thought it might be a virus trap or something.

A great local pizza place in DC got harassed over that crazy shit just because Podesta frequents it.

Hadn't really imagined what that would look like outside of a fashion subculture, though, like bringing back all the race-superiority and sex-normativity of a bygone era so essentially shitty that we spent the whole 20th century trying to escape its shackles.

They don't seem particularly anti-LGBT as far as I can tell, as long as nothing scares the horses - but the Republican party will be happy to pick up the slack.

I am not sure whether the satanic sex cult ring came from the Marina Abramović Spirit Dinner stuff or was knocking around beforehand - /r/the_donald was in a froth about it all in the last few days before the election (I haven't been back since, which is probably doing me some good)

They're pretty anti-T.

xps yeah, Comet Ping Pong, that was so weird

Was thinking a lot lately about the convergence of PUA culture, MRA and the alt-right. Sexual access to women, or perceived lack thereof, as fuel for a political force.