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KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has released a new research report outlining why he's upbeat about MacBook growth in 2017. Kuo expects price cuts for both new and existing MacBooks in 2017 coupled with a refresh that adds support for 32GB RAM and more, bolstering his belief in the MacBook line next year.

lol

, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 11:48 (seven years ago) link

Kuo cites Apple's tendency to price "major-upgraded models," like the original MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, higher near the initial launch "before undergoing in price cuts in the following year" as precedent for price cuts in the second half of 2017. He also believes that the ecosystem for USB-C devices and software that takes advantage of the Touch Bar will become more mature, making it more enticing for users.

Finally, Kuo expects refreshed MacBooks Pros to be launched in the second half of 2017 with support for 32GB of RAM. However, Kuo says this is dependent on whether Intel launches Cannonlake processors on time.

(3) the new MacBook to be launched in 2H17 may support 32GB DRAM, eventually attracting more core users; this depends on whether or not Intel ships Cannonlake CPU on time in 2017, which features 15-25% less power consumption of LPDDR 4, versus the existing LPDDR 3. If Cannonlake doesn’t enter mass production as expected, the new models launched in 2H17 will adopt Coffee Lake, which continues to adopt LPDDR 3, and maximum DRAM support will also remain unchanged at 16GB.

you gotta buy the laptop twice now fuckers

, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 11:49 (seven years ago) link

The entry-level model, powered by a Skylake-based 2.0GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor, currently has an average multi-core score of 6,970, indicating the notebook is only up to 7% faster than the early 2015 base model 13-inch MacBook Pro. Last year's comparable model, equipped with a Broadwell-based 2.7GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor, currently has an average multi-core score of 6,497.

stunning speeds

, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 11:50 (seven years ago) link

has any other manufacturer released a laptop with a trackpad that's even close to the macbook's?

Supposedly Razer makes a laptop with a quality keyboard and trackpad but I've never seen one in person.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:10 (seven years ago) link

Kuo expects price cuts for both new and existing MacBooks in 2017 coupled with a refresh that adds support for 32GB RAM

jurassic park

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:12 (seven years ago) link

even grubes is starting to hint at grousing about this shit. Then links to the most Apple-defending blog post of them all

stet, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:03 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/3UgW8t3.jpg

lol

are hackintoshes still viable?

, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:06 (seven years ago) link

afaik

up until this update, a hacked up 2006 Mac Pro could run new versions of macOS, so modern hardware definitely has a fighting chance

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:12 (seven years ago) link

http://blog.fosketts.net/2016/10/29/total-nightmare-usb-c-thunderbolt-3/

apparently usb-c is a mess too lol

, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:22 (seven years ago) link

something to be said for the elegant design feature of having a specific shape to denote a certain function

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:26 (seven years ago) link

didn't know about this

Although this is technically true, there is a little-known legal obstacle to this: The Federal Aviation Administration has capped the maximum allowable size of laptop batteries on flights to 100 watt-hours. That explains why Apple’s 2015 pro model contains precisely a 99.5 watt-hour battery. Although the recent MBP release only contains a 76 watt-hour battery, due to the fact that there is no low-power RAM available in greater than 16GB capacities for Intel’s latest mobile CPU it can be argued that Apple are still working within that 100 watt-hour ceiling, and that they are using the best components that they can given that ceiling.

Using the other 24 watt-hours available wouldn’t be enough to move the RAM & CPU up to the desktop counterparts in their laptop and still have reasonable battery life, so given the components they are restricted to using a 76 watt-hour battery is enough. With no such ceiling maybe they would have used very different components and created a larger machine. Since that was never an option that is a moot point.

This is also why the only laptops currently available which support >16GB RAM are huge, like this one which weighs 17 pounds (8KG). This battery capacity limitation goes a long way to explaining a lot of the problems with current laptops from all manufacturers. It’s also probably the main defining force of this iteration of the MacBook Pro. Apple were determined to have a reasonably long battery life, and everything else they did had to be designed around the limited size of the battery. They couldn’t have made it bigger or more powerful if they

, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:10 (seven years ago) link

quite a cliffhanger

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link

Somebody on my facebook post was going on about hackintosh and how it's easier and more dependable than ever. I'm seriously considering it. Apparently this is the best resource:

https://www.tonymacx86.com/

lists recommended hardware and how to install the software.

I'm still using a 2008 Mac Pro and it's still very capable but also starting to show it's age and not compatible w/ Sierra unless I use a patch.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link

It sounds like continuity/handoff is the only thing hackintosh's can't do. I read some people had issues with iMessage but the poster on my fb said it worked.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link

I just spec'd out a hackintosh:

Quad Core i7
32 Gigs of Ram
500 Gig SSD
Water Cooled
Good Grapchics Card
Compact Case

1219$

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link

just use linux tbh

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 15:58 (seven years ago) link

No Adobe suite in Linux AFAIK

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:02 (seven years ago) link

No Adobe, no Ableton.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:02 (seven years ago) link

don't use linux

or if you do, use it within docker on macOS lol

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:03 (seven years ago) link

jNo Adobe, no Ableton.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=25607

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=27440

Also KVM with GPU passthrough. :)

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link

no.

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:07 (seven years ago) link

lol

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link

Wine is not a real solution to anything

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link

hahaha

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link

what about https://www.reactos.org

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link

What is Wine?

Only Photoshop CS6? I need Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator and Bridge at the latest versions as well as Acrobat.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:15 (seven years ago) link

threadban etaeoe

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link

I'd advocate just using Windows 10 a million times over "run windows apps on linux instead of using a mac"

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link

I'm considering Windows but I'm so tied into OSX in so many ways that Hackintosh sounds good, esp. if people aren't having it broken with every update.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link

imo I'd wait until the end of the month, it sounds like apple's going to update more hardware, but who knows

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link

kind of think etaeoe was going for a "running macOS on hacked hardware is like windows apps on linux" but tbh the scale of dumbassery is not even comparable

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link

龜 otm

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link

I'll wait...but that hackintosh pricing is really nice. I also have a 2010 macbook pro (anti glare screen!) so maybe it'll be fun to mess with hackintosh. Also thinking of locking down the computers so my music machine isn't running any of Adobe's bullshit at all. Or Chrome or Dropbox.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link

I keep hearing maybe Windows is good now

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link

Windows now comes with Linux

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link

A buddy of mine wrote about the time we spent working on pro computing

https://medium.com/@al3x/what-pro-computing-could-be-73ba8735e18a#.1m8bfgbpe

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link

kind of think etaeoe was going for a "running macOS on hacked hardware is like windows apps on linux" but tbh the scale of dumbassery is not even comparable

fair but it is still dumbassery

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link

I have a Raspberry Pi I'm planning on putting on my desk at home with stock FreeBSD installed and no network connection. That's my new pro machine.

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link

lol wait what etaeoe, that's you?

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link

sorry, that was in reference the the medium article

and tbf almost everything has some level of dumbassery, but the final determination of how bad a solution is really should take into account what problem you're trying to solve

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link

Windows 10 is not a complete abomination but there are certain ways it's still a much more frustrating experience than OS X, I've had font issues with Chrome on my Office PC, little annoying things will pop up and have to be taken care of via 5 submenus, in general it just doesn't quite look as good or as put together as Apple most of the time.

If you want one without a ton of useless shit and bloatware (excluding Microsoft's bloatware) you have to build it yourself and tbh I've not had much luck with drivers/etc. for PCs I built or combined parts on.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link

I want to like Windows 10, but I've had no end of problems with plugging in docks/external displays. I upgraded my work laptop to Windows 10, and went back to 7 the next day because of the various incompatibilities...

schwantz, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link

ordered one of these. only thing i really don't understand is not having a discrete GPU that only runs on mains power.

0 / 0 (lukas), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link

they do have dual GPUs, the normal window acceleration stuff is mostly handled by the Intel one, iirc

mh 😏, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link

Which I guess keeps things smooth if you're using Photoshop / playing 4K video with a bunch of windows open, but not if you want to run Overwatch at retina quality. Apple could give a shit, though.

What are the chances devs porting games to Mac bother with stuff like this? http://www.pcworld.com/article/3079785/hardware/gigabyte-just-showed-an-egpu-with-thunderboltusb-c-for-easier-laptop-external-graphics.html

0 / 0 (lukas), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

Overwatch doesn't run on Mac anyway

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link

I've played PC games nearly exclusively on macs for nearly a decade, including some dual booting to Windows, a whole lot of running Blizzard games on macOS, and a few hybrid situations with older games running in emulation.

If I wanted to play newly released games I'd buy commodity PC hardware or a gaming PC. There's absolutely no attempt to capture the hardware-dependent gaming market. If people want to run an external graphics card like that, they boot to Windows. If anyone's doing that on a mac, there's an extremely high chance they're doing so for video/graphics editing purposes and not for gaming. Even then, it's a really niche market among people on the hardware hackery forums.

I think the only game development they're really strongly supporting is iOS/tvOS. Which makes sense, because the margins are obvious there

mh 😏, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link

My first big loves in PC gaming were adventure games, which are now kind of dead outside of the Telltale games click-to-advance-plot adventures that aren't punishing any hardware, and first person shooters. After that, the Diablo and Starcraft type of things. Those kind of suck on consoles, so I might end up jumping back to a PC if the mood strikes, but I've kind of lost interest. The PS4 is nice but the late 90s version of me would probably weep if he saw me playing a first person shooter on a console.

mh 😏, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link

No Overwatch on Mac one of my biggest gaming disappointments of the year. Blizzard's generally been quite loyal to the Mac!

Nhex, Thursday, 3 November 2016 03:29 (seven years ago) link


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