Wow. Whoa. That is some group of people. Thousands. - US Election Day 2016

Not at all! I definitely don't want to come across as judgmental.

I was taking great comfort in Ned's early voting updates back when there was a confident glimmer of hope in the world.

Shakey is waiting until everyone has forgotten just how full of shit he was - he'll be back with new certainties soon I'm sure.

i don't blame shakey for his confidence in "the process", the signs pointing to what happened were there but they seemed to be unlikely scenarios.

I would imagine being that confident going in and then being wrong is kind of world shattering especially when it results in a Trump presidency. It's hard enough to deal with the reality of the outcome alone.

I would imagine being that confident going in and then being wrong is kind of world shattering especially when it results in a Trump presidency. It's hard enough to deal with the reality of the outcome alone.

― Evan, Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:55 PM (fourteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea i was feeling fairly confident until prob about 10:30 or 11pm tuesday night. even as big states we're being called for trump i was still thinking "clinton doesn't need that state, or that state, or that state" until there were few states left to make a difference.

kind of ironic how he told me i lived in a "strange bubble"

anyway no hard feelings

Come back shakes we need your thoughts on this new map of hell

the only ILX prognosticator i'll trust on anything going forward is Snrub on the Cavs.

In Wisconsin, Clinton lost by about 1% of the vote – but if Stein’s supporters had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

In Michigan, Clinton appears to be on track to lose by about 0.3% of the vote – but if half of Stein’s supporters had voted Democratic, Trump would have lost the state.

It always feels wrong and unfair to me when people pin responsibility on a small minority group of third-party voters who chose to vote their conscience, given that half the electorate actually cast a vote in favour of Trump. It is the latter who are at fault imo.

OTM

it was true in 2000 and it is true now

yes looks like ignoring the wishes of third party voters is a great way to lose elections

Adam if I say that you are 100% right that liberal moderate Dems made a terrible mistake ignoring the wishes of the left and they are responsible for these circumstances and that you knew this all along and warned us and we should've listened -- will you stop making the same argument over and over again? Like is it possible you are just saying it because you feel no one has heard you yet? I hear you. I understand your position. You have been heard. Let's move onto something new.

Ah c'mon Adam, I with you on some aspects of this - there are absolutely untapped voters out there not served or inspired by what the Dems have been selling. But do we think Clinton would have won big by adopting Stein's platform? Or even that Stein's voters would have not still voted for Stein?

* I'm

a million little things all swung the election because the election's margin was so slim. enthusiasm, comey, wikileaks etc.

it's unfair to pin full responsibility on them, but it's not unfair to call these people idiots. presumably they are distraught about the results of this election yet they weren't willing to do the smallest thing - fill in a different bubble on a sheet - to help prevent those results.

who knows though, some of them (e.g. morbs) might be basically happy about the results. I imagine some people voting 3rd party in a swing state after what happened in 2000 might just be genuinely crazy / out of reach.

^grim liar

What ifs need to be understood in full context; you can't just change one variable and assume all others remain constant.

If Clinton's messaging had gone full-bore after Stein voters, or Sanders diehards, or unionized auto-workers, or gypsum distributors, or left-handed fishermen, or transgender circus performers, or dental hygienists (or whatever), then you're assuming that those rhetorical moves would not have lost her any nervous suburban soccer moms (or whatever).

Adam if I say that you are 100% right that liberal moderate Dems made a terrible mistake ignoring the wishes of the left and they are responsible for these circumstances and that you knew this all along and warned us and we should've listened -- will you stop making the same argument over and over again? Like is it possible you are just saying it because you feel no one has heard you yet? I hear you. I understand your position. You have been heard. Let's move onto something new.

― Mordy, Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:14 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe everyone else howling about stein could move onto something new too? or is this only a one way standard

will everyone who thinks that I, a cancer patient who may become unemployed by spring, am happy about Trump's election please chime in?

good. i thought not. move on.

I didn't vote for Jill Stein because she's a total fucking idiot.

it's not unfair to call these people idiots

call them whatever you want. but calling them idiots and then expecting them to vote for your candidate is a pretty idiot move.

thing that bugs me about stein and johnson votes (as compared to bernie ppl) is like both those candidates are fucking SHITHEADS and seem like they would have been disasters, whereas bernie was a longstanding senator, had a progressive but reasonable policy platform, understood how washington worked, experience, yadda yadda yadda

stein is like one annoying daycare mom who's always sending out group emails and whose kid has a made-up peanut allergy

johnson seemed like there was genuinely something wrong with him

i just didn't understand the "i supported bernie in the primary now i'm switching to stein", like they weren't comparable to me....like "oh kanye retired guess i'll listen to lil' dickey instead"

maybe everyone else howling about stein could move onto something new too? or is this only a one way standard

yes i think a. this is the fault of stein voters and b. this is the fault of ppl who didn't reach out to stein voters, are both pretty valueless counterfactuals

all that reaching out to #nevertrump republicans seemed to have been an abject failure. romney's voters en masse voted for trump

call them whatever you want. but calling them idiots and then expecting them to vote for your candidate is a pretty idiot move.

If you do anything at all in life based on what complete strangers on the internet call you, you may, in fact, be an idiot.

romney's voters en masse voted for trump

That takes me back to when McCain/Palin supporters thought that "PUMAs" (anti-Obama Hillary supporters) would vote with them.

stein is like one annoying daycare mom who's always sending out group emails and whose kid has a made-up peanut allergy

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can we close this thread? There are three live.