the alt-right

"deplorables" was one of the biggest disasters of the campaign please never utter it again

Listened to Richard Spencer's speech and its fantastical projections of "unity" among white people, and was thinking that the great irony is that it was liberalism that allowed the creation of a "white" race that included irish people, germans, slavic people, anglo-saxons, etc., basically completely flying in the face of everything that Nazi ideology was about.

Some of those where included with open arms, some less enthusiastically.

"deplorables" was one of the biggest disasters of the campaign

yeah should've gone harder

Why not just call them fascists if alt-right is too mealy-mouthed and neo-nazi makes people roll their eyes?

*goes back to lurking*

bc they're not all authoritarians. some of them are libertarians.

Okay, okay, I'm willing to surrender 'neo-Nazis' if we can all agree to start calling them 'low-T betas' instead.

Insult them on a level where they actually feel insulted.

Re: ThinkProgress vs. Slate.

From long-term perspective, its really the risk of normalizing white supremacists vs. the opportunity of tying the entire conservative movement to this anchor in the minds of an entire generation.

One thing about the "alt right" is that they try to soften their rhetoric to bring in more suckers. Like "nationalism" instead of "white nationalism". I lurk on sites like Yahoo and I would estimate, from the language, that more than a quarter of the ideas floating around are really "alt right". Not very many conservative opinions in comment sections are moderately conservative - they're hysterical, paranoid and hateful.
And the alt-right generates memes for these people.

sadly old lunch otm

They loved deplorables. They probably wouldn't like incompetents, inferiors or impotents but such names would never catch on. But I very much doubt that kind of name calling is going to make things better.

This is science fiction writer Eric Flint on the culture wars within the genre but I think it goes for all this alt-right stuff

What is it about right-wingers, anyway? They keep accusing everyone else of being victim-mongerers obsessed with identity politics but they’re the ones who prattle endlessly about their supposed persecution [“victims are littered across the SFF community”] and nobody generates identity-labels like they do. Start with the term “identitarians” itself—did I mention the clumsy prose?—and move on to “social justice warriors,” “SJWs,” “CHORFs”, oh, it goes on and on.

Those lousy social justice warrior identitarian cliquist holier-than-thou obnoxious reactionary liberal fanatics keep trying to reduce people to categories…

Ah…yeah. Right.

I think that Slate article is right about how "neo-nazi" will backfire.

my exp with "chiraq" is that saying "dont call it the alt right" just changes the name from "alt right" to "dont call it the alt right"

bc they're not all authoritarians. some of them are libertarians.

― Mordy, Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:58 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this distinction flips around on itself pretty quickly in this country

i guess if Nazi just means someone we don't like then call them Nazis. if it means a particular racially-based authoritarian political ideology that fetishizes the 3rd Reich then there are def Nazis in the alt-right but they do not make up the entire alt-right.

ha by my reckoning they have a racially-based authoritarian political ideology with, like, really ~insightful critiques~ about what didn't work about national socialism

Insult them on a level where they actually feel insulted.

This. Call them cucks or cuckservatives.

https://twitter.com/colincampbell/status/801629493345583104

Inceletarians?

This. Call them cucks or cuckservatives.

Yeah, maybe not

what's the downside of "white nationalists"? the fear that you legitimize white nationalism? because it's already pretty fucking legitimate. when you have half of a country who thinks it's "racist" to say that black lives matter, i mean... what the hell can you do with that?

for me the important thing is to deny people the delusion of middle ground. to establish that, for instance, mark zuckerberg is a white nationalist sympathizer.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/new-google-chrome-extension-guarantees-users-will-never-see-phrase-alt-right-again-1048086777

I've got a theory that they are actually part of the main audience for cuckold porn, with the racism, the staggering insecurity about their masculinity, women as either cheating ice queen megabitches or vulnerable property to be degraded.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 9 October 2016 02:27

I just assumed this was the case. I need a US map with overlay of cuckold porn popularity stat.

― "raw buttin' these toilet seats" (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 01:06

Are they embarrassed about fantasizing about being the thing they insult others for? Are they secretive about it? If the porn industry stopped making this stuff to stop being racist, would they get angry and complain about political correctness?

Call them cuckold porn fans?

Where's Wilhelm Reich when you need him?

Reminds me of that racist guy in Boardwalk Empire who forces Purnsley at gunpoint to have sex with his girlfriend, then Purnsley kills him.

If the porn industry stopped making this stuff to stop being racist, would they get angry and complain about political correctness?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 24 November 2016 11:44

And if it happens would they make Cucked By The Cucks: SJWs Fucked My Wife?

I don't get it 'cos the Trump administration is likely to be anti-porn, anti-civil liberties.

Anyway, I hate read RAMZPAUL. https://twitter.com/ramzpaul It gives you a good idea of where the alt-right are at. Like, he complains about "Hollywood Nazis" and thinks that a lot of them are FBI informants. Then he talks a lot about how great 1930's Germany was.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/gist/2016/11/ben_shapiro_on_steve_bannon_the_alt_right_and_why_the_left_needs_to_turn.html

Thx for that Mordy, interesting.

And that doesn’t mean that Breitbart itself has been anti-Israel—it hasn’t been. It’s a very right-wing site when it comes to Israel.

Yes. Interesting.

The danger of equating Israel exclusively with Judaism is that people miss the nuance that one can easily be pro-israel and still anti Jew.

idk how easily but yes it's impossible

but yes it's not* impossible i mean

I don't get this: As soon as Milo was banned from Twitter—by the way, I don’t favor bans on Twitter generally. Twitter’s a private company, and it can do what it wants, but I don’t like people getting banned on Twitter unless there’s active harassment. I think it’s dangerous territory. But I can say this: When Milo was thrown off of Twitter, 70 percent of the anti-Semitism in my feed disappeared immediately. So does he support a ban on Milo or not? Because quite clearly evidence points to Milo being a ringleader in this harassment, which is how it works. The people organizing the harassment never actively harass, they have the followers, they point in a direction, harassment ensues.

he's very pro free speech. he thinks milo shouldn't have been banned but he does understand why bannings are attractive since one reduced his own harassment substantially.

It's stupid, imo. Being against harassment, but only if it's active, when cyber harassment isn't active, is completely stupid. It's a willful avoidance of a difficult dillema at this point.

I think that the left is making a huge mistake by labeling everybody on the right “alt-right.” Because what they’re doing is they’re pushing people into the arms of the alt-right. You call people racist enough, and they begin to think OK, well, who’s not calling me a racist—I’ll side with that guy.

I can only think of one reason that guy's not calling you racist.

idk how easily but yes it's impossible

― Mordy, Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:01 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but yes it's not* impossible i mean

― Mordy, Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:01 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

enemy of my enemy is my friend. pretty simple, no?

i think if you're in favor a Jewish State it's not simple to completely reconcile that with being classically anti-semitic. the closest thing maybe is if you believe some variation of "we need to separate distinct but equally valid nationalities so jews should live in israel and whites should live in the US" but generally speaking if you hate jews you hate israel too classically despite some flirting with the opposite among nazis the party line became that israel was a base of operations for the worldwide jewish tyranny.

There's a certain strain of evangelical GOP who wants to see all the Jews go to Israel and hey presto, Armageddon. This is why there was an Israel flag in Sarah Palin's office.

I just meant that a lot of religious fundamentalists believe the presence of Jews in Israel is a requirement for the second coming of Jesus, which does not make them pro Jew, just pro Israel as a means to an end.

Cost!

Argh, xpost etc

There's a certain strain of evangelical GOP who wants to see all the Jews go to Israel and hey presto, Armageddon. This is why there was an Israel flag in Sarah Palin's office.

ime studying this it exists alongside a broader sympathy to/with israel as it is currently constituted - as outpost of the west, steward of christian holy sites, what k3v said vis-a-vis enemy of my enemy, and jewishness as reconstituted as foundational alongside christianity for western civilization cf "judeo-christianity" - i think the only pro-israel insofar/exclusively as its a vehicle for armageddon is relatively rare.

like to believe it's only animated by the Armageddon thing is to believe we should offer israel military aid why? to make it pleasant so that jews are more encouraged to move there?

Is it a sure thing that Milo directed his followers to Leslie Jones? At the time all I knew was that he wrote a negative review of Ghostbusters that was very critical of her and (deliberately?) attributed a fake tweet to her to make her look bad. I heard something about him being banned for additional reasons.

what % of the jews must be in israel to trigger the armageddon release

first they all have to be in israel, then they all have to jump at the same time, thereby disrupting the earth's gravitational field and kickstarting armageddon. i'm pretty sure irenaeus wrote extensively about this.

When they land, all the fundamentalism that straight up to heaven.

Bounce straight up to heaven, fuck Trump for screwing up my posts.

Is it a sure thing that Milo directed his followers to Leslie Jones? At the time all I knew was that he wrote a negative review of Ghostbusters that was very critical of her and (deliberately?) attributed a fake tweet to her to make her look bad. I heard something about him being banned for additional reasons.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, 24. november 2016 19:09 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Depends on what you mean by 'directed'. After he wrote about her, her feed exploded with harassment. There's a 100% chance that she was harassed because of the shitty things he wrote. And there's a 100% chance he was well aware such harassment was more than likely when he wrote what he wrote. Think of it like this, can anyone really be said to have 'murdered' someone, just because they pointed a loaded weapon in the direction of another person and pulled the trigger? Who knows what the intentions are?