the alt-right

I'd want to separate anti-natalism from nihilism. While anti-natalism does assign a negative value to human life, that's compatible with assigning a positive value to human beings. Anti-natalism can proceed from a demand for human wellbeing which the world isn't equipped to satisfy. It values human beings enough not to want to inflict a painful and compromised life on them.

Anyway, it seems to me that the big fascist movements have historically been highly optimistic, not pessimistic - but optimistic towards a perverse set of goals.

Rushomancy- Fair enough about the first part, who are the best RABM bands?

― Robert Adam Gilmour

i honestly don't think terms like "best" apply to rabm. here's the list of rabm bands i went through:

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/WeirdoYYY/the_essential_rabm__red_and_anarchist_black_metal_/

"always surprising that more antinatalists and misanthropes don't do something about the one part of the accounts sheet they do have a moral right over

― Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague)"

i suppose it is surprising if you haven't actually read any antinatalist thought. cioran for instance spends a great deal of his writing talking about the deferral of suicide. it wouldn't be correct to say he was "anti-suicide", as he fully intended to kill himself after the alzheimer's diagnosis hit, but the illness progressed too fast.

"I'd want to separate anti-natalism from nihilism. While anti-natalism does assign a negative value to human life, that's compatible with assigning a positive value to human beings. Anti-natalism can proceed from a demand for human wellbeing which the world isn't equipped to satisfy. It values human beings enough not to want to inflict a painful and compromised life on them.

Anyway, it seems to me that the big fascist movements have historically been highly optimistic, not pessimistic - but optimistic towards a perverse set of goals.

― jmm"

i would agree about differentiating antinatalism from nihilism, but an essential part, i would argue, of philosophical antinatalism (as opposed to practical antinatalism, which is far more widespread and less overtly acknowledged) is that human beings fundamentally lack the capacity to create a world which can give human life positive value - that the negative value to human life is not a temporary, but an intrinsic condition. this philosophy is difficult to differentiate from nihilism.

fascism absolutely presents as an optimistic movement, but fascism, ideologically, is built on lies as well as on perversity. for the true believers, fascism is built on annihilation.

Why would antinatalism have anything to do with fascism?

Fascists view lives instrumentally -- that is the nature of their antihumanism. Antinatalists are the opposite of that. They look at the individual's quality of life as an indicator of its worthiness. Their position also usually doesn't involve imposing their views on others iirc. They dont tend to advocate forced sterilization

I am weakly antinatalist in that I think it's bad to be alive and I don't want to bring anyone into existence but I don't have like a political program attached to that

Had a look at that RABM list and although I'm sure most of them are nice guys I get the feeling some are probably Stalin worshippers and racist too.

can it be mere coincidence that antinatalist is an anagram of attain stalin?

Reading thru Jon Robson's _So You've Been Publicly Shamed_, and came upon a bit in the middle about 4chan and pre-gamergate stuff. You can see where all the seeds lie that would Bloom a couple years later.

a friend told me about that book, gotta check it out, thx for the reminder!

Probably worthwhile to also track down his followup interview with Monica Lewinsky

Also, this:

http://nerdist.com/nerdist-podcast-jon-ronson/

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/milo-yiannopouloss-cynical-book-deal?mbid=social_facebook

http://www.avclub.com/article/walking-turd-martin-shkreli-smacked-face-actual-tu-248505

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/16/cat-fight-on-the-alt-right-neo-nazi-podcaster-mike-enoch-quits-after-doxxers-reveal-his-wife-is-jewish/

omg the alt-right reddit thread on that is eye opening. one guy explains that the problem w/ nazis is that they didn't hate jews enough.

That Salon article is amazing. I mean that's exactly the kind of shit I expect from these people tbh, just like the Tea Party stalwarts who were living on Social Security and disability checks.

That initial report had an air of credibility, since the identities of Peinovich’s fellow “death panelists” on the podcast had been revealed earlier in the week. That doxxing was done by members of a rival website called 8chan, who attacked TRS for supporting the principle that non-Jewish white nationalists had common interests with extreme right-wing Israelis, which is anathema to hardcore neo-Nazis and anti-Semites.

that enoch thing is amazing, what the hell is the motive for that guy and his wife?

it makes u wonder how much his wife knows

lol @ all this. wow

they were making money off donations and merch sales? but yeah to be a fly in that home

https://www.buzzfeed.com/katienotopoulos/the-alt-rights-meltdown-is-just-like-any-other-message-board?utm_term=.yol1ZeNqKx#.vbbBPMVxmo

At first, this disarray might seem surprising. After all, the alt-right claims to be an unprecedented political phenomenon that memed a president into office. But if you want to understand what’s happening there, it’s helpful to think about it as an internet-first creature. While it’s possible — and necessary — to view it through the lens of political or social thought that it echoes, the other way of making sense of it is to look at it as a digital community, regardless of its politics. And if you view it as an online community rather than a political movement, its trajectory starts to look very, very familiar.

What we have here is a classic case of “mod drama.”

As someone who has spent a lot of time taxonimizing online communities, from places like Fark to SomethingAwful, 4chan to Facebook groups for moms, I can assure you that one need only look at how other internet groups rise and fall to see what’s happening in the alt-right.

is altright on reddit always as antisemitic as it is right now or is this special bc of the enoch situation - every other post is just straight-up jew hate

also not that it needs to be said but these are some v confused ppl, even within the context of their own ideology. there's about a dozen posts on the theme of "force israel to be multicultural and open borders like the jews want to do to us." on one of the threads a poster asks the obv question uh don't leftists hate israel? the answer: leftists believe whatever the jews tell them to believe. then the guy was like well why then do the jews tell them to hate israel. someone gave him an apparently satisfying answer about how the jew inevitably subverts himself, idk, this seems like a major lacuna if you're an anti-semitic white nationalist.

just stupid idle stoner thoughts but i feel like i could cobble together a more coherent WS ideology than all of these morons. it reminds me of the alexander roda-roda quote "Anti-Semitism could really amount to something if the Jews would just take charge of it." maybe that's what enoch and his 'diversity officer' wife were up to.

Mordy otm.

From the looks of it, the "alt right" may create a lot of memes and pollute social media, but the bulk of Trump fanatics are from the other wing of the far right - the so-called "Patriot" movement, which is a lot bigger and which the media doesn't really cover. Those people can be every bit as racist.

Don't know how these guys keep it up, seems like a lot of work being such an asshole and making up crazy theories.

Everybody's gotta have a hobby.

The irony of Buzzfeed highlighting this will not have been missed but:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-media-is-falling-all-over-itself-to-cover-the-deplorabal?utm_term=.kgDLG9epN#.luODodLwm

https://mobile.twitter.com/joeyayoub/status/822597804430426113

A+

The one set to "Born in the USA" is quality too

http://twitter.com/prttybadtweeter/status/822620848897069056

Can someone make a playlist please? I can't find the Lethal Bizzle one somebody mentioned elsewhere, I found The Producers and Slayer though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW2TvVM20zE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6G4wljB4jE

Most are gifs i think.

Lethal Bizzle: https://twitter.com/mtthwtknsn/status/822706370554241024

RATM: https://twitter.com/Jacqueimo/status/822644112218353664

This one is quite impressive: https://twitter.com/tristandross/status/822849333141917698

unlike what most internet milquetoasts think the problem w/ punching richard spencer isn't that it's violence but that it really isn't violent enough

idk crying all over the internet about being cuffed on the ear is pretty bad optics for anyone trying to be taken seriously as the potential leader of a race war.

Nah, I like the idea of living in a world where the occasional sucker punch captured on video is sufficient to remind us of the cathartic qualities of violence and its futility at the same time

preferably always after the punchee begins explaining pepe the frog

idk crying all over the internet about being cuffed on the ear is [/s]pretty bad optics for anyone trying to be taken seriously as the potential leader of a race war.[/s]

every bully ever.

a personal favorite: https://twitter.com/donswaynos/status/822806687207870464

this video has inspired me and i'm not even joking

i didn't know hitlers were this accessible and it looks like that antifa straight up peeled and got away with it

i read a wikihow article about how to punch better tonight

lolololol

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/behind-the-internets-dark-anti-democracy-movement/516243/

this is "kantbot" ranting in times square about trump and german idealism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po

it's kinda wild that a philosophy of govt (authoritarianism/monarchism) that was the predominant one throughout every culture in the world for thousands of years is so marginal now that its adherents are seen as weird kooks [and apparently the most powerful man in the United States]. presumably some of this has to do w/ complete hegemony the cathedral has over the ideological overton window bc i imagine the idea that democracy is a failure and people need a strong leader to make decisions for them is probably much more popular among citizens than it appears. (and an idea so simple and at one time so omnipresent doesn't really need moldbug and nick land to write treatises justifying it in the modern world.)

I really don't think that idea was ever omnipresent. Took a heck of a lot of violence to stamp out all other ideas all the time.

how is it arguable that monarchism/authoritarianism has been the most common form of government in human history

lol @ that tumblr in the article.. what a bunch of boring dinks http://post-anathema.tumblr.com/

Video was hilarious. Is that really Kantbot?

kurt otm these guys sound as delusional and cloistered as the worst lefty academic