Star Wars Anthology shit talk (Rogue One, Young Solo, TBD)

Well to be fair cultivating and drawing upon feelings of anger and revenge are part of what the Sith do, so Vader building a castle near the site where he suffered the defeat that made him who he is makes a kind of sense

Also it just looks cool

http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/12/17/rogue-one-whatas-the-deal-with-darth-vaderas-castle

I hope this movie ends with them making an emergency landing on the crawl that starts New Hope.

pretty much!

best thing abt this movie is how much it enhances the viewing of ANH, imo - eg there are new layers to every bit of dialogue spoken by Imperial officers. And Vader seems even more menacing in the first few scenes now that you know exactly how pissed off he was.

Exhibit A on how to make a prequel, basically.

they have to do a stand alone that fits between ANH and ESB next.

.. on Hoth.

That's one of the few non-film periods that's covered by the new canon, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Totally didn't realize that Riz Ahmed was Jake Gyllenhaal's poor doomed assistant in Nightcrawler.

also the star of HBO's The Night Of

yeah "poor doomed" is a pretty accurate modifier for every Riz Ahmed character going back to Four Lions

best thing abt this movie is how much it enhances the viewing of ANH, imo - eg there are new layers to every bit of dialogue spoken by Imperial officers. And Vader seems even more menacing in the first few scenes now that you know exactly how pissed off he was.

Exhibit A on how to make a prequel, basically.

otm. This was a movie made by someone who obviously loves Star Wars, and had the facility to make this story seem authentic, and completely a part of he existing SW universe. And yet also somehow not seem retro and fan-fiction-ish. Pretty amazing, really.

Did you guys read the bits about Disney supposedly wanting to downplay this movie? Still not sure what to make of that, if true.

so you're going to make a bunch of new characters and we can't put them in infinitely more pieces of side media because they all die? what the heck!

I bet at least one of them will turn up in the Han Solo movie

kind of curious how they're going to shoehorn in r2d2

I was actually thinking they could try to make a movie of what happens during the time Jyn is with Saw Gerrera -- but yeah, maybe they were just pissed it couldn't be built upon. Too bad, I rank it as the best SW movie since Jedi (which is how RYM has it at the moment too).

Saw yesterday that they're bringing Saw Gerrera onto SW Rebels, so that at least will be cool. That'll be three different media he's shown up in -- Clone Wars, Rogue One and Rebels.

best thing abt this movie is how much it enhances the viewing of ANH, imo

Agree with this, much more than I expected. It's a proper prequel, not adding unnecessary mythology, but expanding and enriching the story as we know/knew it.

(The Dracula's Castle bit was pretty silly, I admit. I think people on volcanic Vader duty got the short end of the stick compared to the troopers stationed in the Maldives.)

i like the idea that vader has a bachelor pad on the planet where his best friend and mentor cut his limbs off and set him on fire. it's metal as fuck imo

nice parallel to Kylo Ren's Vader shrine too. Dark side dudes are basically just eternally sulky teenagers

yeah if there's any place kylo ren is going to try to hang out if he gets a chance, it's grandpa's super metal volcano pad

Saw Gerrera

please tell me this is not an actual character name

that is forest whitaker's character's name. so sorry.

Better Call Saw

in theatres December 2020

"Quick, get me a rebel character name that sounds like Che Guavera!"
"How about ... Saw Gerrera?"
"Perfect!"

Vader Castle totally likehttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Luminiferous.jpg

Saw Luzah

Watch Dominguez

ball-peen lopez

nice parallel to Kylo Ren's Vader shrine too. Dark side dudes are basically just eternally sulky teenagers

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 16

there is nothing worse than when you are watching a stirring tribute to young Darth Vader
and then someone has photoshopped in your mom

eternally sulky teenagers

know your audience

We can't all be Captain Sunshine like you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2kFk5M9x4

some fair points.

They manage to refer to the non-Anglo characters not by their real names or character names but as "Guy McAccent" and "two Chinese guys." Outstanding.

i thought this was a fun star wars movie :)

I disagree with their premise. I thought this one succeeded specifically *because* of all the connections to A New Hope. Whereas The Force Awakens felt redundant, because it *was* A New Hope.

another, newer hope

I liked this more than they did, but I generally agree with their points. I don't agree though that this proves that you can't try something new with Star Wars films.

In general I like those guys, or their observations, but I think they were pretty inconsistent about what was good and bad based on whether it was new or redundant. Because this takes place literally right before A New Hope, of course there is going to be a ton of familiar stuff. Lack of Vader, or Cushing, or even R2D2/C3PO/Leah would be conspicuous, as would lack of giant laser ships and Death Star, etc. I do agree they could have done more with characters, given them some more depth, but I'm not sure how much depth Luke or Han or Leah had to begin with, they're just iconic roles reenforced by decades of fandom (in the proud tradition of b-movies). But, like, neither Fisher nor Hamill were particularly charismatic or good actors. They're carried by Ford, who *is* charismatic and a good (especially comedic) actor.

Lack of Vader, or Cushing, or even R2D2/C3PO/Leah would be conspicuous

Yes yes and no (also, Leia) - they could definitely have skipped the last section, but I don't think it shits on the rest of the film or anything.

my wife & i were talking about carrie fisher and how it's weird she's such a funny and charismatic person irl but she somehow loses that when the camera turns on

Surgery has not helped with facial expressions, I'm sorry to say.

they certainly didn't need to show Leia's face and Cushing could have appeared (briefly) by hologram or whatever. They were just too proud of the tech

xpost Yeah, I agree with that. They didn't need the latter, but it didn't exactly hurt things. It felt less like fan service than, I dunno, the two grouchy cantina creatures.

xposts but that's how Leia the character is written. She's written to be somewhat serious-minded, a leader, and she plays that well!

irl carrie fisher would not be quite so believable as a leader of rebellion forces

in the ESB commentary track she kids herself over having to memorize that Hoth speech about the ion cannon

i think it shows how good an actor she is that she's NOT carrie fisher, and that she can turn George's robocharacter into a likeable hero

they certainly didn't need to show Leia's face and Cushing could have appeared (briefly) by hologram or whatever. They were just too proud of the tech

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^^^

yeah at first I thought they were just going to show Tarkin only from behind and his face reflected on the window in that first scene. That would have avoided the uncanny valley issues, I think.

Need to watch this again to see how they hold up, as I just didn't get annoyed by Tarkin or Leia at all.

Might be interesting to see a side by side comparison with young Jeff Bridges in Tron legacy - I got the sense photo-realism CG hasn't really improved between the two films but then there were reshoots to contend with and you get a lot more of Moff than Jeff (I thought CGI Jeff looked pretty impressive/a bit more convincing at the time though).