This is clearly a bias I have, so don't mind me! Don't even get me started on extended technique, ha ha ha
― Wimmels, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:50 (seven years ago) link
That reminds me... did anyone else see that demonstration video Ryley did for Reverb? pretty entertaining, great sounding guitar too
hxxps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcRvo8JrNTU
― Neal Cassady, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 21:09 (seven years ago) link
I like loopers if there are drums too.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 21:52 (seven years ago) link
I think loops can be good or bad! just like anything!
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 01:43 (seven years ago) link
must have mentioned him before but david daniell has done some v lush looping drones out to the horizon in open C type stuff, some bits on youtube
― ogmor, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 02:02 (seven years ago) link
Sometime Fred Frith collaborator* Janet Feder who I need to try harder to keep track of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYZMXfzACr0
*well they split an album together--not sure how much they've actually played together
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link
It must be interesting to have such an intimate relationship with the general feeling of vast loneliness/calm, given where he lives and his experience producing music that conveys it so well. I wonder if it's ever overwhelming when you're so constantly surrounded by it in both of those ways.
If I'd got my shit together, I'd like to have written something substantial about this - the link between landscape and art, broadly, but more specifically about that sense of artists trying to perfect the alchemy of transmuting one substance into another (landscape into music/paint/language or whatever).
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
Not exactly original, I know, but it's something I keep coming back to.
I'd read it!
In this particular case you don't need to have experience with that kind of environment to be so effectively transported there through the art. Or do you? Why or why not? I only enjoy art that transports me somewhere when I'm interacting with it. But I acknowledge that the places it brings me is only determined by my very specific accumulation of experiences, interests & perspective. If I go exactly where the artist is trying to take me does that reflect badly on the art for lacking a necessary level of depth and interpretation? Obviously overtly cultural music can't be faulted for this.
I've been thinking about starting a thread about the transportive nature of music and whether or not it's something I'm fixated on more than others.
― Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
that janet feder thing is great, never heard of her but I really like her playing. going to investigate
it's interesting the difference between the landscape an artist lives in and the landscapes they are drawn to. all those fahey pieces about rivers, but he was decidedly suburban
― ogmor, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
transport you to somewhere spatially, like a physical space? when i think of music that 'transports' i think of to some different state of consciousness i guess. never thought of it that way i guess
i would read also xp
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:07 (seven years ago) link
i know i'm hokey re: 'consciousness'. i suppose its true that a lot of music does take me to a time or place but that's often due to music triggering a specific memory of listening to that piece of music in a certain time/place.
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link
Feder shared this album with Frith:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=janet+feder+frith+ironic+universe
She's put out some solo albums. A lot of her solo material has vocals, and unfortunately, while I love her playing, I am not that into the vocal side of her work.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link
I remember my mother trying to mark up a pair of pants I was wearing, to alter them. Reggae band playing on TV (local public station). I keep moving around.
My mom: "It [the music] sends you."
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
Reggae band playing on TV (local public station)
Must have been these guys???
https://youtu.be/6jYMP1tz02Q
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
It's similar to a dream for me in the sense that on one hand it can be a very particular physical space (I can't listen to most pop music because it "transports" me to the grocery store or the lobby of a dentists office), or a little more vaguely a type of place (gardens, mountains, and old home), and on the other hand the "environment" is harder to pin down and semi materializes as a result of the feeling I'm having as apposed to the other way around but I still feel like I've literally gone somewhere.
xps
― Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:24 (seven years ago) link
an old home*
― Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
Interesting. For me that's almost never anything but a metaphor for an emotional experience.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:39 (seven years ago) link
Lots of sad, somber music doesn't make me sad because it instead is transporting me to a peaceful icy landscape, or a time in my life where I've quietly stared at the stars at night, or plenty of other equally corny examples.
― Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link
Not that it matters, but it was actually someone legitimate who happened to be playing in the local PBS studio, or maybe it was even a rebroadcast. This was a long time ago (79/80ish) and probably before I had even heard much reggae.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
I don't visualize (just the briefest flashes, at most) so I'm not sure if I even could be transported to another place very adequately, but maybe by some more vague "sense of place."
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
ya i know i just love that video xp
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link
(Bored at work one day before winter break begins.)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 22 December 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
all those fahey pieces about rivers, but he was decidedly suburban
― ogmor, Thursday, December 22, 2016 1:00 PM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
at least in the bbc doc when they went back to some areas of takoma it looked pretty bucolic & there was a river running through it...would imagine it was only moreso in the 40s and 50s
i wonder from our perspective in 2016 we have a different view of what "suburban" entails...i know i've seen pictures of bloomington, mn where the mall of america is now and it's fields and a few scattered houses
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 December 2016 03:07 (seven years ago) link
Well there is "rural suburban" as well.
― Evan, Friday, 23 December 2016 03:45 (seven years ago) link
Right. I don't see anything inherently contradictory about suburbs having rivers running through them.
(FWIW, I lived in a suburb of Philadelphia in the late 70s and early 80s that was really more like a transitioning rural area. There was a small farm immediately behind my family's yard, and there were other small farms in the area.)
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 23 December 2016 03:55 (seven years ago) link
Annie Dillard's Pilgrim at Tinker Creek, despite reading like a manifesto of wilderness ecstasy, is precisely about one of those liminal zones between the suburban and the wild. So is Walden, really.
― Sunn O))) Brother Where Art Thou? (Chinaski), Friday, 23 December 2016 10:39 (seven years ago) link
right, he wrote about the sligo, but he the other places he was inspired by were largely rural, sometimes imaginary - a view from a rail road intersection, an incongruously placed cement factory, the imagined pennsylvania/alabama border he wanted to stomp around, the palace of king philip xiv of spain which might easily turn into the palace of the invisible city of bladensburg... these places are not suburban really, even if you might want to claim the imagination behind them is distinctively suburban. there might be bits of places he was in or had visited, but the way they appeared was dream-like, not tied to the reality of the place
― ogmor, Friday, 23 December 2016 10:52 (seven years ago) link
also wrt to takoma, i suppose there is the takoma that is takoma and the semi-mystical takoma full of talking turtles etc from his book
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 December 2016 14:33 (seven years ago) link
I can't listen to most pop music because it "transports" me to the grocery store or the lobby of a dentists office
otm
― Wimmels, Friday, 23 December 2016 14:46 (seven years ago) link
wow NPR bestoys recognition on "the scene"
couple i hadn't heard of
http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2016/12/30/507425674/the-top-10-solo-guitar-records-of-2016
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 December 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
slide work on that new Bachman is so incredible, I can't even imagine how he does that drone/scrape/noise hovering-over-you sound
― sleeve, Friday, 30 December 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
Dinsdale posted this list on the year end thread https://stationarytravels.wordpress.com/2016/12/30/2016-in-review-journeys-in-acoustic-primitive-experimental-folk/
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 31 December 2016 13:24 (seven years ago) link
^^ that list and the ambient/drone/electroacoustic on that site are kinda fascinating. year-end lists done right. can't wait to dig in.
― alpine static, Saturday, 31 December 2016 23:19 (seven years ago) link
yeah, that list looks ideal -- a bunch of things I haven't heard, all sounds good.
― tylerw, Saturday, 31 December 2016 23:51 (seven years ago) link
the new Eyvind Kang/Tashi Dorji split on Unrock arrived today, lovely side by Kang and some more challenging stuff from Dorji, sounds great on first listen.
― sleeve, Saturday, 31 December 2016 23:57 (seven years ago) link
Hey all, happy new year. Or, at the very least: hey, it's a new year and I am glad this page still exists.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link
Also, fully agree that Bachman's slide work is becoming a real treat. New record rules in my opinion. As far as the new one goes, some of the drone is another musician, at least on some of the tracks, but of course he is capable of creating that with his right hand too. But yeah, his buddy plays a home-made drone instrument on the record that Daniel plays along to.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
ah, OK, I missed that detail, makes much more sense
― sleeve, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
Idk if this exactly fits with this thread but the new Kevin Hufnagel computer-processed guitar album seems to focus more on processed acoustic and ukelele:https://kevinhufnagel.bandcamp.com/album/the-protected-shards
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
― sleeve, Saturday, December 31, 2016 5:57 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
digging this
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
Was just jamming the Dorji/Marisa Anderson split the other day. Still dig his playing a lot, and there are a couple of real gems from Marisa on that record too. Kang is a great player, so I am sure that split is ace too.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:49 (seven years ago) link
― grandavis, Tuesday, January 3, 2017 6:14 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
There's a great video of "Brightleaf Blues" that shows those wheel-crank drone instruments that his friend Forrest made. On the album it sounds like a couple tracks laid down or blended into each other with Daniel doing bar slide harmonics (see: Rose's Sundogs technique) + other drones (?) + the traditional fingerpicked pulls and slides. But I think the key is the restraint and amount of each drone rubbing up against each other within the finished piece. It really does have that hovering over you type of feeling without it getting too 'messy' and heavy, or even longwinded. Good stuff.
― Neal Cassady, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
Thanks for linking to the Kevin Hufnagel album above, I like it a lot. The one from last year was great too.
― Dinsdale, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
Yep, I definitely nominated Backwards Through the Maze for the ILM eoy poll. I've no expectation that it will place but it will do well on my ballot.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
Yeah Neal, I think you are spot on in both a) what is going on in those tunes and b) the restraint + amount + space + duration. Not always an easy negotiation to make, and I think it is made well on this record. And yeah Sleeve is totally right on in just noting how righteous a lot of the slide playing is. The "sundog" thing is part of it (pretty much eat that sound up myself), but his more trad playing is a real treat on this too.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 22:31 (seven years ago) link
looks like this sold-out Rob Noyes LP is up on Bandcamp now -- https://poonvillage.bandcamp.com/album/the-feudal-spiritreally recommend this one.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 January 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
can't bring myself to click on 'poon village' at work
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 9 January 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link
Folk singer Joan Shelley has announced a followup to 2015’s very solid Over and Even. No title or release date yet, but we know she recorded it with Wilco’s Jeff Tweedy producing and playing on it. It also features contributions from her frequent collaborator Nathan Salsburg, Jeff Tweedy’s son and bandmate Spencer, and James Elkington (who is one half of a duo with Nathan Salsburg). Stay tuned for more details.
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/joan-shelley-preps-jeff-tweedy-produced-lp-touring-with-wilco-richard-thompson-more/?trackback=tsmclip
― Dinsdale, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 12:14 (seven years ago) link
Excited!
― Evan, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 14:46 (seven years ago) link