I HATE APPLE

http://i.imgur.com/hmDZ6hH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qENiRWc.jpg

^ I mean, just look at that YouTube icon.

I have one of these around somewhere

Dude looks like J0hn D's angry twin brother xp

lol that is pplains

Haha omg PP <3

Got a NAS to use as a home media server and pulled my iTunes library that I hadn't touched in 3 years off a backup drive, holy shit they've managed to make iTunes worse in the intervening years.

I'll go and finally update iTunes as punishment for my gaffe

More like Capt. John D's twin.

^ there's a dn!

albums that i purchased from itunes not on the playlist still show up on my phone, even though i can't play them.

As far as I can tell there's no tidy way to hide them in iOS 10. What you can do though is go to the main Music screen (where it says "Library" in huge type) where it lists Playlists, Artists, Albums, etc. and select "Downloaded Music." If you don't have that option, click "Edit" to the right of "Library" and add "Downloaded Music" as a selection. Once you select that, you'll get the same interface but it'll only show stuff that is actually on your phone. Unfortunately you'll still have to select "Downloaded Music" every time you go to the Music app, but if you have a lot of iTunes purchases cluttering it up it might be worth the extra step.

i only ~depend~ on unix, but the polish of the macOS ui is appealing. it's starting to be not appealing enough. bugs being introduced and going unfixed, performance deteriorating, being stuck on a hardware line that is a laughing stock. but gruber makes a good point here...

The truth is, for most of us, there is no good alternative to MacOS. Nothing. And it took so long — not years but decades — for MacOS to get to where it is that I don’t think any other OS could ever catch up. That’s what’s driving the arguably paranoid fear that Apple is abandoning the Mac. It’s not so much the evidence (lack of updates to Mac Pro and Mac Mini, and concerns about software quality) as the high stakes: if the Mac goes away, the world will be left without a Mac-quality desktop OS.

time to run linux mode in windows 10 aww yeah

(lol)

The new Win 10 UI looks like Sierra should have
https://mspoweruser.com/project-neon-windows-10-first-look/

hate to say it but yes

it looks like a website

https://cdn-mspoweruser.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/neon-2.png

this is an insane amount of white space for a desktop UI

It looks good! I have some minor skepticism about how coherent the experience is when you end up with applications outside of the new frameworks leading to a handful of GUI paradigms butting heads and whether some of the concepts are fully baked as far as having functionality available, but I'd give it a try.

I kind of want to check out Elementary OS after reading some of those blog posts from a couple days ago. Has anyone used that as their desktop? It looks like it has a lot of design and development decisions I'd agree with, or at least some compromises that make sense. A lot of what's going on really looks like paring the user interface down to what works while using a standard toolchain and standards across the board.

Mac OS has had this incremental "throw things in, if they aren't liked they disappear two releases later" approach that's piecemeal as opposed to the Windows "everyone's using this touch-centric interface with tiles" thing that they backed off from but they're getting to a happy medium

caek otm on spacing though, lol

it reminds me of the first time I opened the default iOS mail app on the large iPad Pro when that came out. A sidebar on one side and the email text way on the other, with all the whitespace in the world between

new win10 UI looks cool but in reality it'll just be haphazardly shoehorned in and then we'll have three different UI paradigms on windows that don't really work together

Can it be worse than Brushed Metal/Aqua/Classic was in 10.4?

never forget rich corinthian leather

we don't talk about 10.4

this is good imo http://www.sicpers.info/2017/01/the-problem-with-not-apple/

hahaha oh god

re: elementaryOS, i'm rooting for them hard but at this point i'm not ready to commit myself to such a young desktop environment that may not exist in a year. their apps are certainly beautiful and i want to use them, but at some point it takes the one-way-to-do-it minimalism of gnome3 to the extreme, which i would not like. for example, iirc their terminal doesn't have tabs (which i want) and i'd be willing to bet FOR SURE that it doesn't support truncating the scrollback (which i need in a terminal).

xp good link. That NeXTSTEP-y consistency is a really big thing for me too. Fuck Swift/JS/etc anyway imo

Bummed that Apple is discontinuing wifi routers, allegedly a response to Google entering the wifi market. Does anyone have any experience with mesh routers in general, or the Google Wifi mesh system specifically? Do we have a dedicated Google thread that is not about the search engine but the company and its other services/products?

they get at what appealed to me when I read about Elementary -- that there's a single preferred programming language (Vala, which I hadn't heard of, and is really an intermediary but w/e) and it's apparently a first-class citizen in the desktop environment

there are always cross-domain inconsistencies in that the way you program a device driver and the way you program a GUI application are different by necessity. now, you can skip the rest of this as tl;dr but...

Are Dashboard widgets made out of JavaScript because of a compromise, or an aborted change of direction?

Dashboard widgets were meant as something non-programmers could put together and were an adoption of an idea that was done by a couple other small projects that screamed when Apple introduced their own version. iirc Dashboard widgets are mostly if not completely dead now (unless the slide-from-the-right widgets are the new dashboard). Ideally for consistency these, if they existed on a dashboard, would now be in Swift.

Is the lack of consistency between the same API’s names for things in Swift and in Objective-C a cognitive overload that’s worth carrying around?
Not sure what a good example is here, but some things will have slightly different naming scheme to accommodate language paradigms. Pretty sure Apple has two different teams and some of the naming is just wrong.

Do I ignore the funky dialect of C++ that drivers are written in (I have written IOKit drivers and edited a book on the technology, so this isn’t a hypothetical concern)? While some ObjC APIs use message-sending and others use block callbacks, am I right to call them both the same thing? Does this process communicate with that process using XPC, Mach IPC, UNIX pipes, sockets, signals, or distributed notifications?

funky dialects for drivers, idk. I have no inclination to address that realm definitively because I lack the expertise. terminology is messy, but there's still a divide between providing multiple approaches that work better across different situations and providing new solutions while supporting old ones. programming is far from a mature discipline and use cases keep varying

as for inter-process communication, who the hell knows. if you're writing a GUI desktop standalone you're not going to use UNIX pipes, but there are muddy areas. I'm mostly fine with some ambiguity because some of these things fit in different layers and you're going to have native approaches for different layers

i am also reluctant to commit to such a young desktop OS. i shall watch their progress with interest though. also i miss debian so much.

Bummed that Apple is discontinuing wifi routers, allegedly a response to Google entering the wifi market. Does anyone have any experience with mesh routers in general, or the Google Wifi mesh system specifically? Do we have a dedicated Google thread that is not about the search engine but the company and its other services/products?

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:58 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark

same

This post coming to you from Elementary. Took 23 minutes to install VirtualBox and install Elementary on top of it, and that includes setting up networking in our funky work network environment. It is ... not awful? I wonder if I can get mwm running.

i run windows 10 on a htpc and it looks nice but is still super annoying. office360 notifications pop up unannounced and apparently there's no real way to turn them off other than turning off notifications. also the office360 notification thing is a program that can't be uninstalled because it reinstalls itself after you try to delete it.

OTOH you can run Windows 10 without activating for pretty much forever lol

desktop OSes stalled because they got good enough for business/enterprise use, and younger generations interface with the internet primarily through their phones, is how i break it down to an extent

The terminal on elementary does seem to have tabs fwiw

i am also in elementary on virtualbox. i don't think i gave it enough RAM. also clipboard and mouse scroll don't work but those are virtualbox problems. otherwise it seems nice!

omg the battery indicator works out of the box. incredible scenes.

The graphics are a bit slow. Dock icons bouncing like it's 10.1 up in here. Trying more memory and fiddling with gfx settings.

i pressed a hardware volume button and the menu bar disappeared so i had to reset.

also it got confused when i connected an external display while it was in full screen mode, which ... fair enough.

The terminal on elementary does seem to have tabs fwiw

gotta be a new feature then, cuz i remember taking it for a test drive around 6 months ago and i couldn't believe it

are you guys complaining about graphics speed based on a virtualized version?!

Maybe.

i got in a mess with vbox guest additions. this OS sucks.

I was going to play with it since work is slow, but I remembered virtualbox doesn't work on my work computer. Most likely due to some shady corporate asset tracking crap.

Good reason to reimage my work computer imo

binned it and am now playing with Mint, which is pretty good so far!

Tried the new MBP that keyboard blows. Time to find out if any Windows machines have decent trackpads.

> playing with Mint

Which desktop? Mint with Mate is old skool Gnome 2 goodness which I switched to after the Ubuntu unity debacle (and the Gnome 3 wars, and the kde4 misstep) #ifearchange

I have cinnamon. I really don't understand the range of desktops, but then last Linux desktop I used was xfree86 with mwm. Is this all still X under the covers?

yes, but not for much longer 8)

( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protocol) / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(software) )

hope you dont like taking screenshots, cuz wayland is going to make it a pain in the ass