They're doubling down; it's their party and they're not giving it up
also, make all complaints to the New Republic:
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/139751/hillary-clintons-cabinet-bad
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2017 20:47 (seven years ago) link
this is the most common charge and it's not true
Yeah, that's been the sticking point since November, right? The squashing together of a buncha different demographics into something that just reinforced the pre-existing beliefs most politicos and commentators had anyway that can't be disturbed by actual post-election analyses of who did what.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 20:48 (seven years ago) link
xposts my post makes it sound like i think *all* WCW are racists, and that's not my intent.
rather it seems (to me) that some of the Bernbros are ok with a little racism (misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia), or at least not as bothered by it as they are left-of-center incrementalism. FWIW, I do not think this applies to Bernie.
― will, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link
bernie knows the struggle, he had a black acquaintance tell him three decades ago that it was difficult to hail a taxi at times. he knows what's going down in the streets.
― sleepingbag, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link
sanders lost fair and square and his combo of personality, history and politics didn't get any foothold in crucial dem constituencies. but it's not enough for some people! if you say that maybe talking about core bread and butter concerns might move the needle more than events with katy perry or dabbing on ellen, idk, you're just another email obsessed misogynist who doesn't care if the klan takes over the great plains.
― goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
zero effort at coalition-building from center types,
won't argue with that, particularly as 'center types' applies to a lot of smug paid opinion-havers.
anyway. TRAP HOUSE. v good show and will continue to listen and prob even send them $$$
― will, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
two, a whole lot of bereaved clinton fans are still STILL talking about bernie sanders being the great racist pied piper traitor. meanwhile, the guy is out there doing real political work and hillary has disappeared.
i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.
โ goole
boy, i just don't run in those circles at all. i see far more people on my feed bitching about clinton and obama than people with even one bad word to say about bernie.
as for hillary's disappearance, thank god! if people are still calling her satan after she's pulled a vanishing act, imagine the reaction she'd be getting if she was doing or saying anything at all.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:06 (seven years ago) link
ha isn't she going to Broadway shows and the inauguration? Quite a disappearance.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:09 (seven years ago) link
I keep feeling like "working class" as a phrase is completely broken because it brings to mind this idea of industrial or manual labor, or at least workers with hourly wages as opposed to salaried positions. But a lot of the jobs at that end of the payscale (or lower, a decent union factory job can pay better) are in call centers for insurance or financial services
people are fuming about "racists in the working class" but the working class they're really talking about is people who call them about mortgage payments or the cashier at starbucks
― mh ๐, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:10 (seven years ago) link
after she's pulled a vanishing act
The NY Times was relentlessly floating the "HRC for NYC mayor" trial balloon about a week ago, so that's some disappearance. I'm sure the clan's camp had noooothing to do with it, of course.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:11 (seven years ago) link
zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.
Schumer endorsed Ellison over Perez
― flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:15 (seven years ago) link
โ Supercreditor (Dr Morbius)
sorry, charlie, she's your problem now.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:20 (seven years ago) link
that's a good counterpt fl0p
― goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:21 (seven years ago) link
I like the sound of this chihuahua/terrier type
That would be Will's dog:
https://mobile.twitter.com/willmenaker/status/815421869998440448
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1D13EZUsAAxbPG.jpg
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:32 (seven years ago) link
they're recording a premium episode right now and taking questions live, if anyone's interested: https://curiouscat.me/722127759699505153 i assume the episode will be up later tonight
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link
xp love it!
― wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:36 (seven years ago) link
getting back on topic, does anyone have any thoughts on why Hillary Clinton lost the US presidential election?
― wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:37 (seven years ago) link
let's ask Cum Town https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfw5UmWyFSw
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link
Somebody I know posted the link to the NYT article titled "Trumpโs Cabinet So Far Is More White and Male Than Any First Cabinet Since Reaganโs" with the comment:
This is what a revolution looks like, amirite Berners? Jkkkk you all look like these people.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:49 (seven years ago) link
I should say that was following up on the
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
"People I know post" is the new "I heard at church" isn't it
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:52 (seven years ago) link
โ goole, Friday, January 13, 2017 4:21 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ty
imo this is the whole problem with politics on twitter, everything is argumentum ad logicam. you can always find SOMEONE arguing an idiotic version of the ideology you're opposed to. like who the fuck is Eric Garland? who was that lady who wrote the 'no one wants to live in your racist shithole' facebook post? chapo twitter crew survive off the perception that there is this identitarian neoliberal left-baiting cabal when they're just in a bubble that incentivises them to find the shittiest such posts
― flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:57 (seven years ago) link
I believe that kids are going to eventually internalize "you can find somebody on the Internet saying anything" and get past this shit
Us old dogs are probably useless though
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:59 (seven years ago) link
the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast
― goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:02 (seven years ago) link
eric garland's absurd game theory rant was pretty well publicized, it's not like they had to go looking for it
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:03 (seven years ago) link
i'm just glad people are finally getting around to realizing what a great record _lolita nation_ is
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:06 (seven years ago) link
I just posted that an example of v vocal Hillary supporters still trying to attack Bernie supporters.
It's similar to people doing that "how's that hopey-changey thing working out" thing from 2009 on
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:11 (seven years ago) link
you copy pasted a COMMENT to a nytimes article
― flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:13 (seven years ago) link
And I should preface it by saying this is someone I've known for a long time who isn't prone to posting that kinda thing and I would expect better from
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:13 (seven years ago) link
FB post, tbf
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link
proving my point that this whole crew are scraping the bottom of the rando barrel to find, er, fish to shoot
― flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link
โ goole, Friday, January 13, 2017 12:02 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
one of many otm goole posts itt
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:24 (seven years ago) link
someone needs to burn twitter to the virtual ground.
― Treeship, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:27 (seven years ago) link
i never heard this podcast but if it really is people from the incestuous social media left mocking the incestuous social media center-left it sounds worse than waterboarding
― Treeship, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:30 (seven years ago) link
You can breathe whenever you want so no
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link
โ flopson, Friday, January 13, 2017 4:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
dude i don't have to look past this very thread to see the exact same stuff although stated perhaps a bit more cogently.
― the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:44 (seven years ago) link
โ Treeship, Friday, January 13, 2017 5:30 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
case in point, treesh !
going to go to all the ilx threads and say "i have never heard this band but if it really is noisy people clanging garbage racket then it sounds bad"
― the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:45 (seven years ago) link
Gunna be a fun four years
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:45 (seven years ago) link
ilm threads even
also to be noted the prime mining areas for Bad Tweets are typically like the director of the Center for American progress, a founder of Vox, the editor of Mother Jones.
― the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
this show is goofy cathartic fun centered around bullying dumb pseuds in the media. it owes more to howard stern than anything and I don't think it can really bear the weight of representing an actual political movement but that's not its fault.
― ryan, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:01 (seven years ago) link
otm re: the howard stern comparison. like myself and others upthread have said, it's just a good podcast
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:07 (seven years ago) link
fwiw ive agreed with most of what youve posted but this...i feel like we're just exiting in two parallel but different universes right now, because it's not been my experience at all.
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 23:08 (seven years ago) link
i will listen to this at some point and they are going for different things obv but this^ really, really makes me appreciate the efforts the uhh yeah dudes go to, really digging deep for not stepped on content
― sciatica, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:10 (seven years ago) link
also yet another recorded straight to laptop podcast with shitty sound, wildly varying levels, etc? really? no excuse for this imo, even if you're making bupkes
― sciatica, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:20 (seven years ago) link
I've definitely seen random examples of that but maybe because my social media feeds lean far left I'm getting the opposite impression. I know I know "your mentions aren't the election etc" Ellison has gotten a good amount of centrist support. Hasn't it always been the case that the Bernie people were more anti-Hillary then vice verse? I keep coming back to the Morgan Murphy joke from the primary: Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:39 (seven years ago) link
Tbf, the sound's gotten better, but it ain't where it should be yet. Way too much room echo on Matt's end, for example.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 23:39 (seven years ago) link
keep coming back to the Morgan Murphy joke from the primary: Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."
Heh. Move this up the coast a bit and you have Portland and Seattle, too.
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 23:40 (seven years ago) link
Ellison has gotten a good amount of centrist support
tablet mag just ran a piece about the dangerous anticlinton left, captioned by an extreme closeup of ellison's face, mouth open in apparent rage, howling, coming for you. maybe this is cherrypicking -- glad to hear it if there's more openness to him than i think.
Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."
i just don't see this. at the beginning of the primary the centrist attitude to bernie was "lol hippies", just like it always is. maybe a little bit of "how civilized that our inevitable champion will first be toughened by a few friendly war games!" by the end, after he'd actually given clinton something vaguely resembling trouble, it was "we must defeat the secret leader of the misogynistic and probably-racist-somehow hate mob perversely calling itself 'the left'". this has continued.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:49 (seven years ago) link