Heard that Geoff Johns made some jabs at his fellow creators for being too grimdark in the most recent DC reboot.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
GEOFF JOHNS: 'no-one out-dismembers geoff johns!'
*turns over a table, runs out of the room weeping*
― How To: Make the perfect summer jorts (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link
Ok! I'm going to check out some more Slott things then.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
I was going to see if I could find an image from the issue where Peter Parker retakes his body from Doc Ock and might post it later. It was cheesy at some level but incredibly heartfelt -- Peter returns to consciousness as a gestalt of all his memories that Otto was keeping around. He recognizes that his life has had its ups and terrible downs but that so much of it was *fun*.
Recognizing that he loves being Spider-Man *and* Peter Parker works past all of the darkness of so many years of him neglecting parts of his life or feeling he has to sacrifice in a way that breaks him. That he can embrace the fact that he doesn't shy away from sacrifice without it wrecking that inner joy.
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link
Part of my aversion to that Dr Octopus storyline is the absolute certainty that it inspired lots of disgusting porn.
I just checked to see if there's Trump cartoon porn and indeed there is.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
if that's your criteria for consuming media then i think you've basically ensured you'll never watch / read / play anything ever again
― How To: Make the perfect summer jorts (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link
(also i really don't mean this unkindly or mean-spiritedly, i promise, but do you realise how often you bring up porn on unrelated threads on ilx?)
― How To: Make the perfect summer jorts (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
he's just keeping us up-to-date
― ฮแฝฯฮนฯ, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
I do realise.
However pure Slott's intentions might be, I'd never be able to shake off the suspicion that he's doing a Claremont, Byrne, Piers Anthony, Jack Chalker thing. Grosses me out.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
cool
having actually read the story in question, i'd have to say that if slott is getting his jollies from pushing doc ock into spider-man's unwilling mind he's doing a much better job of hiding his intentions than the guys you mentioned
― How To: Make the perfect summer jorts (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
Slott has had good luck with artists? Didn't he get Humberto Ramos? Not lucky.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
Well, I do at least agree with you on that point. I want to set Ramos up with a really nice job that pays him as much as he's currently making but that involves no drawing ever again for the rest of forever.
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
Land & Ramos Party Planning Inc. has a nice ring to it, I think.
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:22 (seven years ago) link
It's okay not to bring up porn in every thread. Really.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:37 (seven years ago) link
ironically though he got yelled at for bringing up porn IN the porn thread, so what can he do at this point
― Nhex, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link
Keep it to TMI?
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link
Land, Ramos, and whoever's coloured JR JR's comics since 2004
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
98% of comics colorists.
Really disliked that black coat and shades Dr Octopus design Ramos did.
Who are the better artists working for Marvel these days?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
(*don't type greg land as a joke, don't type greg land as a joke...*)
Greg Land
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
I dunno, I kinda prefer the artists that Greg Land traces over.</pornojoke>
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
I want to do a parody of a Land comic where all of the characters are barely-altered lightboxed illustrations of old-school blow-up dolls.
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
greg land is beyond parody tbh
― How To: Make the perfect summer jorts (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 09:35 (seven years ago) link
I'm not a fan but I'm not sure why people hate his work so much more than other similar artists. I've never read any of his comics. I guess it's the sometimes awkward integration of photo reference into his work? I've mostly seen cover art by him.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 12:59 (seven years ago) link
http://comicsalliance.com/files/2013/08/Monica.png
It's not just that it looks like it's swiped from a (probably caucasian) porn star, but take a look at the thigh gap. And also, this was an Al Ewing book, and the cast was supposed to be more 'progressive' than other books.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 13:10 (seven years ago) link
He does the awkward photo reference thing constantly. It's like rotoscoped spank mag fumetti with hastily-sketched masks and capes.
Also he's just bad and lazy.
https://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/the-thing.jpg
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 13:11 (seven years ago) link
Just now realized where her neck sits on her torso... That's not healthy.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 13:11 (seven years ago) link
I'm guessing it's swiped from two different porn stars now.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 13:12 (seven years ago) link
now i'm wondering whether theres's a porn star who looks like the thing
if only we had a dedicated ilx porn correspondent who could address my question
― How To: Make the perfect summer jorts (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 13:14 (seven years ago) link
Maybe he was drawing Monica mid-cabbage patch
― (The caption: โfine dining.โ) (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 13:35 (seven years ago) link
First example does like a tad like Mia Khalifa but I doubt I know most of the stuff Greg Land looks at. I don't watch lamestream porn and I don't read lamestream comics. Those panels are pretty bad.
But honestly most of the porn stuff I talk about are things I dislike intensely but I find it interesting in the same way I find right wing trends interesting. Just a lot of morbidly fascinating behaviour that tells you a lot about bigots.
I promise soon I'll be back to blabbing about Art Zoyd, Supersister, Summoning and goth bands.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 13:39 (seven years ago) link
i wouldn't even mind the photo-reference so much if land could actually tell a decent sequential story using those materials, but he's not talented enough to turn a series of pin-up photos into anything other than a series of pin-up drawings
thanks for the new screenname, rag!
― i don't watch lamestream porn (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 13:43 (seven years ago) link
Teehee
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 13:47 (seven years ago) link
Greg Land drew what I thought was a pretty cool rendition of Pixie until I realized she was only supposed to be like, 13
― (The caption: โfine dining.โ) (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 14:22 (seven years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Land#Critical_reception
he openly admits to using porn as source material!
btw I only mentioned him to clown a certain line of conversation and let's keep him out of our minds
― mh ๐, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 14:55 (seven years ago) link
I'm all-too-happy to do so, particularly since I can only seem to envision him drawing pantsless.
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 14:58 (seven years ago) link
This thread has been vomited upon by a moderator
― (The caption: โfine dining.โ) (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:04 (seven years ago) link
his lower half is suspiciously absent from view in one of the few pictures i could find of him online, lending credence to your theory
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/ad/Greg_Land_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070103155707
― i don't watch lamestream porn (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:04 (seven years ago) link
http://jimsmashextended.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/greg-land-tracing-swiping-recycling.html?m=1
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
My favourite, not in that collection, was when he traced the #1 GIS for Angry Old Woman.
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link
I guess if you're going to go for it, go bold
― mh ๐, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link
I mean, comic book artists have used real models and photo reference for decades (that's Milton Caniff below) so I don't think it's necessarily wrong for Land to use porn as a reference - I'm guessing it's a good way to 'study' the undraped male and female body - just that in his case, the original source is far too obvious and ludicrously, needlessly sexualised (beyond the sexualisation that is an inherent part of all superhero costuming). Also, he's crap.
http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_2953/subcat_145322/caniffphotodragonlady.jpg
― Bongo Herbert (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:44 (seven years ago) link
As in Caniff paid a model and photographer to create specific poses for photo reference? That sounds like a lot of work when you can google "sexy woman legs crossed"
― mh ๐, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:52 (seven years ago) link
I'm waiting for the next level of Greg Land-style work where someone just hunts through pictures of cosplayers at comic conventions against solid color backdrops
― mh ๐, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:54 (seven years ago) link
I suppose it's to Land's credit that he's never accidentally traced any body fluid spillage.
― Gorvernment Stoodge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:54 (seven years ago) link
Wow, you weren't lying!
http://www.eviepurves.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/angry-old-lady.jpg
http://angryjogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/scared-old-woman.png
https://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Mighty-Avengers-2-2013-Page-12-600x701.jpg
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
srs q: does anyone really, genuinely enjoy greg land? are there ride-or-die greg land fans out there? maybe i'm enjoying the benefits of never really taking in comic-book news and comment outside a handful of relatively grown-up sites (and ilx, obv) but i just don't get how someone so abjectly terrible keeps getting such high-profile work
― i don't watch lamestream porn (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
Seems they missed out his Obama as Norman Osborn.
When he started drawing Sojourn I thought he was really impressive but I rarely saw his interiors. Now I think he's actually capable of competent work if he really goes for it but I just don't like the style.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link
I'm guessing he's excellent with deadlines
― (The caption: โfine dining.โ) (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
are ppl really complaining about the use of photo references? or just greg land being terrible at using photo references
― ฮแฝฯฮนฯ, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
credit where credit's kinda almost due: he's managed to couple his basic competence at drawing with his ability to trace the top results of any given google image search and a deep swipe file of pinups and porn into a successful career in funnybooks xp
― i don't watch lamestream porn (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link