"For all my powers, I could not save _____": An image thread

is this panel from Avengers #4 the "For all my powers, I could not save" urtext?

http://imgur.com/5fc33980-0d42-49cc-988c-21be4d524786

http://i.imgur.com/ANeZmQQ.png

haha wow maybe!

missing the tag but sentiment/message is there for sure

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-at9e-5cW1bo/WMdNlaAOE9I/AAAAAAABWwg/WqGrO6iWx2Y8zlC1QNoD24TaUFaBwrClwCLcB/s640/7729.jpg

academy award for best comic

a message from the mayor of nyc

waht

http://www.printmag.com/wp-content/uploads/g.-FF62.jpg?da32cb

close enough
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FOivK-zbREE/WcxNuojszUI/AAAAAAABZWs/w6C_80utKJANv-pLRwbfPTtEdkeudpzPgCLcBGAs/s640/RCO003_1467789079.jpg

i'll allow it

Young Giffen doing a pretty good Neal Adams impression there.

Can't see a great deal of Adams there myself, and at this stage of his career Giffen was generally more of a Kirby Kopyist (though it's true that throughout the 70s Marvel encouraged their artists to 'emulate' Kirby, while DC encouraged their artists to 'emulate' Adams.)

i can see adams in it, but looks a bit more like joe kubert to me

Well the inker, John Celardo, was an old newspaper strip hand who took over the Green Beret comic strip from... Joe Kubert, so I think that might account for the similarity, more than Giffen's pencils.

close enough
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_RqQX6TJreU/WzBKLNsqUAI/AAAAAAABeXw/bghAjGIYaUo9wQ6hM_4S8miJ5Iy4CQD2wCLcBGAs/s640/8009.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-env6Mi6qLlA/WzBKKzHKAKI/AAAAAAABeXo/m7znH1t1QoIyiot_7VpXdqi3fL944oMAgCLcBGAs/s640/3933.jpg

wow, that Hawk & Dove cover is great. went to GCD to see who inked it, and they have it as Ditko, which surely can't be right?

(I agree with their assessment of Gaspar for letters, and the logo looks like him too - wonder if the overall design came from Ditko, Gaspar, or someone inhouse)

That looks like a Ditko to me.

did Ditko not ink his own stuff?

he usually inked his interiors, but the drapery and black-spotting on that cover look more fluid and shadowy than he tended to do, and the varying lineweight on Dove and the top heads is a heavier brush than I think of him doing.

I'm no expert though, and have only seen his stuff in non-reprint form from the 1980s on.

hmm, just saw it full-size at Spurge's, and the inking on the "Don" legs is totally Ditko's shading style

I had no idea that Hawk & Dove went back that far!

They were in Showcase first.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZAM7HvgXEJ4/Wz2I2D8U3OI/AAAAAAABef4/cYosKpS364Qq1q8hqJ7XqwJvnSDVBkDNQCLcBGAs/s640/18244.jpg

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60351981_2117804144933758_705667851196825600_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=959612ca58d0676575ae29e90ee9c4a5&oe=5D9EBEAA

^^^^ the alpha and the omega

LOL Gil Kane really loved this pose:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj2tJO7kdXiAhVJURoKHfehAV8QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdc.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FDC_Comics_Presents_Vol_1_56&psig=AOvVaw3h5zmiBqtJArZw8Soug0YI&ust=1559920113591120

https://www.google.com/urlsa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj2tJO7kdXiAhVJURoKHfehAV8QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdc.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FDC_Comics_Presents_Vol_1_56&psig=AOvVaw3h5zmiBqtJArZw8Soug0YI&ust=1559920113591120

Sorry!

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/c/c5/DC_Comics_Presents_56.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081219165634

there's a whole page for pieta-style covers
https://www.cbr.com/i-cant-cover-what-i-am-the-best-pieta-covers/

(although i think that one isn't the original)

ah, apologies...

"For all my powers, I could not save _____": An image thread

https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/d0/57d951da7236f/clean.jpg

I mean, if I was him I'd be quite keen to get my normal body back too.

Good lord, is that Angel in the top right? That costume...

It's Nighthawk. He was a Batmanesque character iirc, rich dude fighting crime.

From the Squadron Supreme, an alternative reality superteam who were deliberately created as takes on DC heroes, no?

Yeah, Gerber goes to some weird places w that character

Valkyrie’s boob armor is really... something.

The Kyle Richmond/Defenders Nighthawk is an interesting character in that he is a bit of a loser. He wants so bad to be a hero and the "leader" so bad and really just does not have it down. I know one of the endings of the Defenders is that everybody quits and he cannot get anyone to rejoin with him. I can't remember when that story happened, it might have been a newer one.

That character died at the end of Gruenwald's original Squadron Supreme miniseries. I don't know how Marvel brought him back, but I'm sure it was stupid.

it was.

grim and gritty:
http://i.imgur.com/B7gfq2d.png

gave way to grim and grittier:
http://i.imgur.com/BLhnnhx.png

Sometimes I think Marvel went roughly 40 years w out making a decent comic. I kinda hate everything between 1980 and Immortal Hulk.

I found the JMS super-gritty Supreme Power comics to be pretty amusing actually

That character died at the end of Gruenwald's original Squadron Supreme miniseries. I don't know how Marvel brought him back, but I'm sure it was stupid.

The Nighthawk who was a Defenders member was from Squadron Sinister, not Squadron Supreme. Squadron Sinister was introduced first by Roy Thomas as an parallel universe evil version of JLA, and later on he decided to create a heroic parallel universe version of them called Squadron Supreme. But Squadron Supreme mostly stayed in their universe (until it was destroyed), while the evil Nighthawk stayed in ours, reformed and joined the Defenders. He actually died before the Squadron Supreme Nighthawk, who impersonated him for a short while. I can't blame anyone for getting confused by all this.

Was Squadron Supreme an influence on the original Watchmen series?

The 1970s version? No. The 1985 version, published after the earliest Watchmen promotional material? Also no.

(possibly very very faintly inasmuch as they were an earlier example of filing the serial numbers off a bunch of characters, but Moore very obviously had the examples of Kurtzman and Anglo imprinted on his creative psyche before Roy Thomas even entered comics.)

I was thinking more along the lines of "We are the heroes! But are we? Or are we fascists?" plotline, but it's been a decade since I last read Watchmen, and probably two or more since I read Squadron Supreme.

we have a thread for that
Squadron Supreme (Mark Gruenwald) - C or D?

xxxxp Thx, Tuomas -- I missed that distinction

stevie -- besides my great Squadron Supreme thread (thx, ulysses!), see also Alan Moore's comments in this 1987 interview:

MOORE: I think that when Watchmen was first announced everybody assumed that it was going to be Squadron Supreme, the superheroes take over. We never said that. We said that we were going to try to treat them realistically. (...) I think that while people expected that, we’ve not investigated the idea of superheroes as fascists the same way that Frank Miller has in Dark Knight, or the same thing they’ve done in Squadron Supreme. It wasn’t really our intention. Our intention was to show how superheroes could deform the world just by being there, not that they’d have to take it over, just their presence there would make the difference. It’s what we try to show in Watchmen #4. From the point where Dr. Manhattan appears, it slowly starts to go downhill from there — everything starts to change. He doesn’t take over the country or make people subservient to him, but just his presence there makes everything begin to change. Yet on another level, if you equate Dr. Manhattan with the atom bomb, the atom bomb doesn’t take over the world, but by being there it changes everything. That was more the idea that I was trying to explore. (...)

Ah! Thanks Morrisp... Reread that thread this afternoon and your overview of the series reminded me why I've never reread SS. Watchmen is definitely an infinitely subtler and more effective book.

also that thread gets kind of steamy towards the end, doesn't it?

"Towards the end"? Nothing ends, stevie. Nothing ever ends.

SAD BUT TRUE