Who would oppose deporting illegal alien law-breakers or the neo-Confederate idea of nullifying federal law inherent in sanctuary cities?
rip states' rights
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link
I also question the constitutionality of sanctuary cities tbh
(guess that's for the uncool conservative beliefs thread)
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:18 (seven years ago) link
If Trump continues with these long overdue corrections and can unite with the Congress to push through legislation on economic reform, there will arise a sense among even some of his opponents on the left that the Obama trajectory of tribal polarization, doubling the debt, foreign-policy chaos, anemic growth, rogue federal agencies, climate-change obstructionism, etc. could not go on as it was.
uhhh am i reading this right
― marcos, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:18 (seven years ago) link
did he say the "Obama" trajectory of tribal polarization, doubling the debt, foreign-policy chaos, anemic growth, rogue federal agencies, climate-change obstructionism
― marcos, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:19 (seven years ago) link
this surprises you?
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:20 (seven years ago) link
ha been a while since i've read VDH and needed to remember that "the opposite of what you say is true"
― marcos, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:21 (seven years ago) link
oh, i doubt it's constitutional too -- merely struck by how nullification is suddenly a bad thing again
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:25 (seven years ago) link
? not sure what's unconstitutional about it, the feds can't dictate how local PDs allocate resources, and it isn't the local PDs jobs to turn over arrestees to immigration. Now, if a federal deportation force is put in place in sanctuary cities and the local PDs don't defer to their authority, *that's* unconstitutional.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:36 (seven years ago) link
By ignoring the federal government's jurisdiction over immigration, the states are in effect ignoring -- I won't use "nullifying," for crissakes -- the law. No? Am I getting something wrong?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:40 (seven years ago) link
they're not ignoring the federal government's jurisdiction, the federal government can come in and take those people any time they want. they just aren't notifying the feds that they have them. cuz who has time for that shit (and who's going to pay for it?)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
also it's not states that are doing this, it's municipalities.
our mayor's not having it
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-Mayor-Lee-stands-up-to-Trump-says-city-10883956.php
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 23:31 (seven years ago) link
I'm all for a city-led 2017 nullification crisis tbqh
― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 23:55 (seven years ago) link
idk i don't see how it's different from some mississippi sheriff saying well, those are some nice federal civil rights laws you got but you're gonna have to come down here and enforce them yourselves
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 23:57 (seven years ago) link
exactly
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 January 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link
it is explicitly NOT within municipal police departments jurisdiction to enforce immigration law. Immigration is handled by the feds. It is explicitly within municipal police departments' jurisdiction to follow civil rights laws because that's how those laws were written - they apply to all citizens, regardless of what state or city they are in. I'm Not getting where the confusion is arising from here. Congress has not passed laws mandating that municipalities have to bear the burden and costs of performing the ICE's job. You guys get that immigration law is *completely separate* from criminal law, right...? Someone is arrested for, say, stealing a car. From the local police department's point of view, it's their job to handle the arrest and prosecution of this person for stealing a car. It is NOT their job to check the person's immigration status, notify the feds, hold them until the feds show up, keep database/immigration records on who they arrest etc.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 January 2017 00:13 (seven years ago) link
Right, but these men and women who are targeted aren't citizens?
I'm not being snarky -- I'm trying to figure out my position.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 January 2017 00:22 (seven years ago) link
the cops don't know that! No one walks around with citizenship papers, what is this Nazi Germany oh wait
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 January 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link
I don't carry around my birth certificate, do you? Imagine what it means for a locL PD and the general populace if every single person arrested has to be detained until they prove their citizenship status.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 January 2017 00:47 (seven years ago) link
Two, the media-driven, left-wing derangement is unprecedented
One word for you, Victor: Birtherism.
― Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Thursday, 26 January 2017 14:40 (seven years ago) link
by JAY NORDLINGER January 30, 2017 11:44 AM @JAYNORDLINGER
Earlier this morning, I walked down Memory Lane a little: The Left was always telling conservatives that, thanks to our privileged lives, we could not see how the other half lived. We were blind to their suffering and deaf to their cries.
Of course, the same accusation is heard today. It comes from the Left — but also from the Right. And frankly, I hear it more from the Right, day in, day out.
Anyway, a further stroll down Memory Lane — to the Democratic convention of 1984. Mario Cuomo was the keynote speaker, and here is a taste of what he said: “A shining city is perhaps all the president sees from the portico of the White House and the veranda of his ranch, where everyone seems to be doing well.”
I remember burning when I heard Cuomo say that (and everything else). Where to begin? Maybe with this: Reagan was the son of an itinerate, alcoholic shoe salesman. When a kid, Reagan was sent to the butcher to get scraps for the cat. Only the Reagans didn’t have a cat.
Etc.
Moreover, Reagan’s policies helped the poor and struggling above all, because the well-off really didn’t need the help: Economic growth, no economic growth; jobs, no jobs — the well-off were fine. They always are.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
etc.
― mookieproof, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
Reagan’s policies helped the poor and struggling above all
* citation needed
― bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 January 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
no thanks
― marcos, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
How is Jay Nordlinger not dead from a fatal wedgie?
― Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 12:47 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4pX3lEVYAASzTp.jpg
smdh
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
mmm
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
ewww
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 21:05 (seven years ago) link
nerdlinger surprisingly reasonable here?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/444924/six-quick-points-flynn-affair-and-trump-kremlin-allegations
1) A line is developing on the right — it is even embraced by the president himself: General Flynn was the victim of unpatriotic saboteurs within the government. Okay. Why did the president fire him? Why didn’t the president stick with this victim of unpatriotic saboteurs? The president didn’t have to fire him, you know. Flynn could be at his side today — and forever, or as long as the Trump presidency lasts. Oddly, Trump is crying foul play. Almost as though he had nothing to do with Flynn’s ouster. When he was the ouster. Just yesterday, his press secretary, Sean Spicer, said, “We’ve been reviewing and evaluating this issue with respect to General Flynn on a daily basis for a few weeks trying to ascertain the truth. The evolving and eroding level of trust as a result of this situation and a series of other questionable incidents is what led the president to ask General Flynn for his resignation.” “Other questionable incidents.” That is an intriguing phrase. Anyway, the line now is that Flynn is a victim? I find this hard to square. 2) The president has tweeted, “This Russian connection non-sense is merely an attempt to cover-up the many mistakes made in Hillary Clinton’s losing campaign.” Could be. Or could be that there were contacts between Trump officials and Russian officials during the campaign — contacts that warrant an inquiry. 3) Apparently, General Flynn, through his conduct, was made vulnerable to Russian blackmail. This is undesirable, to say the least. 4) The reaction to the Flynn affair, and to Trump-Kremlin allegations, has been extreme, many people say. A “freakout.” It is also true, I think, that, just as you can overreact, you can underreact. (Under-freak?) Going nuts is stupid; so is being blasé. 5) It’s often useful to ask, “What if the shoe were on the other foot? What if it were the other party doing it, not my party? What would I think and say?” If Democrats had an identical relationship to the Putin regime, what would Republicans say? And since when are Democrats so national security–conscious? Bill O’Reilly said to Trump, “Putin’s a killer.” Trump replied, “There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What, you think our country’s so innocent?” If a Democratic president had said the same — can you imagine the Republican reaction? 6) Campaigning in October, Trump said, “WikiLeaks! I love WikiLeaks.” The crowd cheered. Trump continued, “It’s amazing how nothing is secret today.” He meant that positively.Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner
― marcos, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
Yes. that is a reasonable set of statements, based upon a reasonable set of judgments. a person needs to be pretty far gone into fantasy or insanity never to reach a reasonable conclusion.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link
NRO has been disappointing if not desolate lately, uploading culture war clickbait so they don't have to think about Trump.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
first line from Jonah's latest:
"Most informed people understand that this is a remarkably stupid time to be alive."
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/445307/tonight-really-big-moment-repeal-and-replace-effort
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
Uh, I think you linked to a different piece. A nice line from the link is:
It is not reassuring to hear President Trump declare, “Nobody knew health care could be so complicated.” Er, yes, Mr. President, just about anyone who spent more than ten minutes looking at the issues involved could see that coming.
― International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 21:23 (seven years ago) link
It appears that Jonah is willing to go down proudly flying the flag of defiance. That's ok by me. Anything that brings confusion upon the enemy is ok by me. Even if it's pouting and face-pulling from the paleo-right.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
maybe i misunderstand but afaik paleo-right == nationalists/nativists/isolationists i.e. Trump supporters. jonah == neocon.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:40 (seven years ago) link
sorry. my taxonomy of dreadful people is a bit weak at times.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:45 (seven years ago) link
Jonah doesn't, though. On TV he's a weasel.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 22:51 (seven years ago) link
he twists himself in knots pleasing every side.
https://i.redd.it/8etpq46df6ky.png
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 16:07 (seven years ago) link
he said, flashing his badge
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link
I posted this elsewhere: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/446417/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-associates-allegations#comments
worst of the worst this guy
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 20:55 (seven years ago) link
'vdhanson' is the worst fucking twitter handle,c'mon son
― stanley weebeard (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
I be like venereal like Hanson
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
at least he had the decency to kick off paragraph two with a benghazi ref so i could go and do something more useful with my time than read the rest, like slam my nuts in a dresser drawer
― stanley weebeard (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
The Un-Nutting of Bizarro
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 21:05 (seven years ago) link
by VICTOR DAVIS HANSON April 6, 2017 12:38 PM @VDHANSON
The House Intelligence Committee fights, the Susan Rice revelations, the stale Russian collusion story, the Gorsuch battle, the Bannon battles, the end of the filibuster, etc. are all different fronts of the same existential struggle: the unlikely Trump victory is unpalatable for the Left and its dangerous ramifications for the entire progressive project must be stopped by any means necessary.
I think it was understandable (though I might disagree with that decision) — after acting on whistleblower information and bringing the non-Russian-related intercepts, unmasking, and leaking to the attention of the committee and the country that otherwise likely would never have seen the light of day — that Chairman Devin Nunes both stays on as chair on the Intelligence Committee, but like Jeff Sessions in the matter of the Justice Department, temporarily recuses himself from directly investigating the various charges. In this entire hysteria, Nunes has acted ethically and was done an injustice by those who acted unethically and who will now only be emboldened.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:30 (seven years ago) link
nuts, meet drawer
― stanley weebeard (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:36 (seven years ago) link
again :(
I think it was understandable (though I might disagree with that decision) — after acting on whistleblower information and bringing the non-Russian-related intercepts, unmasking, and leaking to the attention of the committee and the country that otherwise likely would never have seen the light of day — that Chairman Devin Nunes both stays on as chair on the Intelligence Committee, but like Jeff Sessions in the matter of the Justice Department, temporarily recuses himself from directly investigating the various charges.
Anyone who could publish such an ugly-ass, confusing, tangled up sentence and proudly attach his name to it, is neither a good writer nor a clear thinker.
P.S. @VDHANSON eh? When I was young, V.D. carried a very specific meaning.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
It's related to the Mmmbop Virus
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:49 (seven years ago) link