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This record (and to a lesser extent, the latest Ulrich Schnauss) leaves me with the same feeling that I get if I eat an entire family-size bag of Starburst. The first bit of it was sweet and delicious, but after about the halfway mark I feel disgusted and sick, unable to eat anything sugary or otherwise for quite a while.

bohford, Thursday, 19 August 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Fennesz bundles insulin with sugar...or something.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 19 August 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard this loud through an incredible system and i still can't get enough. i've heard less than spectacular reviews of their live sets but it's not enough to keep me excited from seeing them next month with ullrich schnauss.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

re: Ned's comments. It's funny but, much more than any latter day "shoegaze" band or Fennesz, I feel that "Run Into Flowers" (and maybe some Cornelius and Avalanches moments) really is trying to build upon what Kevin Shields was up to all those years ago. Someone like Fennesz has textures that are really interesting/beautiful, but the overall effect is lacking when it comes to the melody and emotion that were integral to MBV (though 'endless summer' was a step in the right direction).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Well to me Venice aims much more so at a way of manipulating those textures to good effect than Endless Summer, though I've admittedly heard far less of the latter album -- that was sort of an in-one-ear-out-the-other-listen, and I remember being vaguely annoyed that it didn't live up to what was promised for it. Venice, on the other hand, really grips me and makes me want to relisten to it, which is always my particular sign that an album has connected -- it's not enough to vaguely admire it, it *must* prompt relistening on a regular basis. As such it's probably still my favorite album of this year. There's emotion I sense there in more cryptic fashions perhaps, but the sense I felt from the M83 album -- rather like Schnauss's from last year, actually -- was of an overdetermined structure, where build becomes rote. The exception was that long final stretch of a track, where M83 broke free into a massive extended coda -- that's what really caught my ear from the listen, to give it its due.

Still, I'll see the show next month with both them and Schnauss, I figure. It might actually work more for me live!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

At least (several of) you have the option of seeing (and further evaluating) M83 live...


Ian Faith: The Boston gig has been cancelled.

David St. Hubbins: What?

Ian Faith: Yeah. I wouldn't worry about it though, it's not a big college town.

nader (nader), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

me no like that wanker salvador saca

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Before the Dawn Heals Us is fantastic! Much of it is very propulsive, and of course it sounds amazing. Definitely in my top 10 of the year (whereas the last album was mostly just "Run Into Flowers" for me).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 14 November 2004 03:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"Don't Save Us from the Flames" is almost unbearably good.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 14 November 2004 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

A new album, eh? Hmmm. Your praise intrigues me (since I thought the last one was mostly just there, like you).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 November 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

"gone" off of the last record is the best song on the album (yes, better than "run into flowers").

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

It's always a toss-up for me between "Gone", "Run into Flowers" and "0078h". And sometimes "Noise". I think those were the singles, so perhaps this is no surprise.

And I got my hands (er, my hard drive) on the new album today ... I will listen later ...

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Spencer re: Definitely in my top 10 of the year

That will be the year of 2005 ! the album gets released in January 2005 ;-)

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I just saw that on the gooom site! ILM runs on it's own calendar of course.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

on first listen I'm not hearing much that differentiates this from the last album, which is too bad. Maybe it will grow on me. As gygax would say, So... much.... rock.

I'm still miffed about their using backing tapes to do the synths live, which was lame.

Anyway I'll probably grow to like this album more, but it's not as exciting as the last one was.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm with Spencer on this one ... it's an astounding album, and it leaves the last album in its dust. The flimsy drum machine sounds that I was complaining about upthread are gone (or at least, they sound a lot more like real drums this time), the rhythms are tighter and more aggressive. If "Dead Cities" was M83 trying to replicate "Loveless", then this one is M83 trying to replicate "Isn't Everything".

More precisely, the closest kin to this record is Sianspheric's "There's Always Someplace You'd Rather Be", which also tried to be "Isn't Anything" when it wasn't trying to be Slowdive's "Pygmalion".

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"A Guitar and a Heart" is cheesy though. The song and the title.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

the closest kin to this record is Sianspheric's "There's Always Someplace You'd Rather Be",

what is THIS? I've never heard of this! I must hear it immediately.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Strange then, how "Lower Your Eyelids to Die With the Sun" is not just a gorgeous, heartbreaking closer but also has a title to die for (har har).

(xpost -- Kyle, they're a Canadian band on the Sonic Unyon label. The album came out in 1998. There must be an AMG entry for them. All three of their albums are well worth your time)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:37 (nineteen years ago) link

As gygax would say, So... much.... rock.

That's why I like it so much. My main problem with shoegaze related music is the lack of rock, the lack of propulsion, especially in opposition with slower/quieter moments within the same song. Fennesz (and other laptoppers) can be beautiful and/or powerful, but there's not enough there for me to love - Endless Summer worked for me because the songs were there. I guess as much as I love 'noise', it's not enough by itself - I still need songs (which is why I loved Dntel's "Dream of Evan and Chan") and the noise must still serve the purpose of the emotion, or the melody or the groove. You could say that's it's one thing to love the feeling of the ocean, but I guess I still need to swim. Slowdive and similar slowgaze music is often too plodding and often has this odd goth affectation (which I think Ned is more fond of than I).

If "Dead Cities" was M83 trying to replicate "Loveless", then this one is M83 trying to replicate "Isn't Everything".

An interesting equation - I'd say they get even closer to the highs of Loveless on this record (although there's nothing identikit about it). They've found their own songwriting here - a continuation of "Run Into Flowers". I'll definitely have more specific things to say as I listen more.

Also, I don't really get what's cheesy about "A Guitar and a Heart", song or title-wise.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Kyle, they're a Canadian band on the Sonic Unyon label. The album came out in 1998. There must be an AMG entry for them. All three of their albums are well worth your time

Very, very well worth your time. I highly agree with Barry's assessment of Sianspheric, they are the spiff.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Slowdive and similar slowgaze music is often too plodding and often has this odd goth affectation (which I think Ned is more fond of than I).

You are correct, sir! But if Slowdive started off Cure they ended up Durutti.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

The guitar solo and the more mechanized-sounding beats on "A Guitar and a Heart" scream "take me back to 1983!" to me. It's like I'm listening to Loverboy or something. Although I'm going through the album a second time now and I like it a little more ... once the song builds up more and the song becomes denser I find myself getting more into it.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:51 (nineteen years ago) link

The guitar solo and the more mechanized-sounding beats on "A Guitar and a Heart" scream "take me back to 1983!"

So did "Digital Love"!

(although yeah, I had actually skimmed past the beginning part before which takes a bit of getting used to. I think it's *classic* by the end!)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link

they are the spiff

they are soon to be on my hard drive as well, thanks for the recommendation

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:56 (nineteen years ago) link

There are some really odd voiceover bits on this that I think people are going to hate! Also, I think some of the vocals will bug some. Luckily for me, I love it all!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

There are some really odd voiceover bits on this that I think people are going to hate!

Dude, that really does sound like their Mogwai fetish is in full effect!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh no. There's not much in the way of Mogwai.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

some of those voiceovers are so horrible. album is good though.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

So the voiceovers are just straight up can't-be-ignored sprawling hoohah over the arrangements? Hm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, exactly! spoken by what seems to be a wide eyed forest creature.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link

There are some really odd voiceover bits on this that I think people are going to hate! Also, I think some of the vocals will bug some.

So it's like the first album?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Pitchfork is so lame.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, that pfork mini-review in full:

I'm always amazed how simple alterations to a group's sound can force a cringe from even the most ardent fans. Earlier this year, some Palace aficionados were disturbed by Will Oldham's conversion of his lo-fi porch songs into slick Memphis country. Well, there's more horror on the horizon-- the separation between M83 and Journey is thinner than you had possibly imagined. Consider "Guitar and a Heart", its monochrome chord progressions, minor-key guitar slides, and arena rock drum fills. Or its new-age synth-- sounds typically produced by scarf-wearing thirtysomethings, guys shielded by Casios stacked three high who only manage to play one note. Of course, you have no idea what my face looks like as I listen to this unfortunate misstep, so let me describe it to you-- it reads something like "eeew." [Joel Ebner; December 1st, 2004

He's obviously assuming that the entire album sounds like that -- he'll be a bit embarassed when he hears the whole thing!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Blame the trees, not the forest, Spencer!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I blame the forest, but I like certain trees!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

sounding like journey could only make m83 better (i like that "don't save us from the flames" track, i'd like it better if it was a cover of "don't stop believing")

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

typical pitchfork, but the song really isn't all that remarkable either

Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

True, but there are stellar songs on that album. Tracks 2,4 and 8 spring to mind as likely singles.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

See I hear "cheesiness" (for lack of a better word) as part of the band's appeal + the new one ups that aspect considerably.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Would you care to elaborate? That's the only track from the new album that actually has that kind of corny guitar sound, and only for the beginning. It strikes me as odd that the reviewer would choose that single track to completely decry their new output. It's actually a bit reckless and irresponsible.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

It's actually a bit reckless and irresponsible.

You've been reading Pitchfork for how long exactly? I mean, I think both of those qualities are pretty sewn-in to fabric of Pitchfork's reputation/infamy/unpopularity around ILX.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sure not as long as you gygax...

And there's nothing wrong with calling them out on something, even if it's been done many times before. I actually revived this on this thread in order to support the new M83 record in my own little way.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

...because the pitchfork review is really unfair - although I'm sure you'll just tell me that life is unfair or something.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it possible to like some Journey, most M83, and not be sentenced to eternal damnation?

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

as Richard Dawson:

"Pitchfork SAYS:"

X

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I had my own problems with that song (upthread) but that's more to do with the song not fitting in well with the rest of the album. In turn, Mr. Ebner's review doesn't accurately respresent anything M83 are doing on the other 95% of the album.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Exactly.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

You mean it's OK to buy the new M83 once it's released...even without PFork's approval...even with The Essential Journey hiding in my basement?

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Thursday, 2 December 2004 05:25 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
cool cover

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00070Q8HC.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link


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