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Say, wouldn't Storm be somewhat more sympathetic to Magneto's speciesism? She was a GODDESS, after all.

c(''c) (Leee), Saturday, 4 March 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think - to resurrect an old argument upthread - that there shd be MORE interaction between the X-Men and the MU, not less. The 'mutant universe' of the 90s was k-lame, they are Marvel characters through and through. But then my first encounter w/the X-Men was Secret Wars, so...

Tom (Groke), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

This isn't exactly a counter-argument, but their use in Secret Wars did depend on them being not well-known to the rest of the MU -- which isn't something you can sustain for twenty years without gimmick fatigue.

And if anything, wasn't the interaction between the many mutant comics of the 90s and the rest of the Marvel universe characterized not by segregation but by forced bussing?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, "Onslaught" really isn't a good model for the kind of interaction I'd like to see.

But during the 80s heyday there would be plenty of MU cameos without it ever overwhelming the books - Cloak and Dagger in New Mutants being a good example, and the whole (excellent) Asgard storyline was of course steeped in Marvelism.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm all for that if they can keep it at that -- it sort of parallels previous DC discussions, in that I'm glad Batman is in the Justice League, but I don't want to have to deal with invading Martians in Detective or Gotham politics in JLA.

I have a lot of problems with the mutant persecution angst coexisting with the Avengers and Captain America (particularly the 80s/90s incarnations thereof, who weren't meant to be morally flawed), and with those non-mutant heroes paying nothing but lip service to mutant "tolerance." It's the kind of thing that seems like it would be explained forty years later by Henry Peter Gyrich having the Spear of Destiny.

But I don't like that aspect of the X-books to begin with, so nix or downplay that and I think the neighborhoods can get along just fine.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.proudrobot.com/hembeck/blacklightning.html

Fred Hembeck:

I will say that I created Black Lightning after convincing DC not to publish another "black" super-hero on which they had started work. The Black Bomber was a white bigot who, in times of stress, turned into a black super-hero. This was the result of chemical camouflage experiments he'd taken part in as a soldier in Vietnam. The object of these experiments was to allow our [white] troops to blend into the jungle.

In each of the two completed Black Bomber scripts, the white bigot risks his own life to save another person whom he can't see clearly (in one case, a baby in a stroller) and then reacts in racial slur disgust when he discovers that he risked his life to save a black person. He wasn't aware that he had two identities, but each identity had a girlfriend and the ladies were aware of the change. To add final insult, the Bomber's costume was little more than a glorified basketball uniform.

kenchen, Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

It's actually Tony Isabella by way of Fred Hembeck.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link


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