Notwithstanding that, teacher workload in well-resourced public schools is pretty awful, and kept in check only by labor contracts. Charters don't even benefit from those contracts. Non-union teachers are often far less experienced, on the whole less well trained, and burn our more quickly than career educators. Until charters will work w/ unions they're gonna stay (mostly) lower tier.
― rb (soda), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 01:16 (seven years ago) link
and throwing all the special needs kids and behavior issues back into the local PS system
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 01:17 (seven years ago) link
I'm 100% public school btw, went to a state university too until I dropped out
my high school also produced a rhodes scholar
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 01:31 (seven years ago) link
I live a couple blocks from this high school, went to the city's magnet high school with a couple of the people listed as 99/00 notable alumnihttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt_High_School_(Des_Moines)#Notable_alumni
― mh π, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 01:53 (seven years ago) link
i went to public school k-12 and a public university
― example (crΓΌt), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:08 (seven years ago) link
same
― Brad C., Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:11 (seven years ago) link
me 2
― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:54 (seven years ago) link
My parents were both teachers. Both were reflexively liberal, both believed fervently in public education, and all of us went to public schools PreK-grad.
And yet! My mother taught in Catholic schools most of her career, at least partly because she preferred the behavior of Catholic schoolkids.
My father, in contrast, taught at a military school (oddly, a public magnet), where many of his students ended up because no other place would take them.
I think my daughter's school would be considered a magnet school. I guess? It's public and free but it's apparently very desirable so admission is by lottery. Our district calls it a "county-wide school" (as opposed to the "neighborhood school" where my son goes). She's been there five years and I still don't understand what's different about it.
It's all a vast tapestry.
― Oh the pacmanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 03:07 (seven years ago) link
I tend to agree that funding schools by locality leads inevitably to educational disparities that mirror economic ones. The antidotes to that involve decoupling education from the local/state level and basically federalizing it.
Thanks to one of the most devastating SCOTUS decisions of my lifetime yet no one discusses it: https://www.oyez.org/cases/1972/71-1332
β The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 6, 2017 4:03 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i teach in the school district of the plaintiff from this case. this was the first case iirc in which all of nixon's FOUR appointees were on the bench. fuck richard nixon.
and fuck charter schools, fucking parasites.
― if young satchmo don't trumpet i'm gon shoot you (m bison), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:06 (seven years ago) link
cass sunstein argues that saisd v. rodriguez was the end of the court's gradual evolution to understand that the constitution guaranteed social and economic rights.
im a gov/econ teacher and last semester i taught the saisd v. rodriguez case alongside its subsequent state court case edgewood v. kirby (plaintiff won, creates the "robin hood" system which texas has jacked with over time)
― if young satchmo don't trumpet i'm gon shoot you (m bison), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:13 (seven years ago) link
public school k-12 then "prestigious east coast private university" -- was definitely at a disadvantage there, and the economic disparity of education in America was really clear to me. Had various classes where fellow students discussed false consciousness and Marxism and the evils of WalMart. I was the only one in the class that had a family that shopped at WalMart, that grew up where everyone shopped at WalMart. Loved their WalMart did the citizens of my stupid town.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link
Most college students shouldn't go to college. Especially humanities students.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link
he may have stopped posting, but his spirit still lives on
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link
lol not my own original belief
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link
we both know this
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
I teach writing and journalism. Mordy is partly right.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
Possibly true in the US, less so in countries with a better cost / quality ratio.
― Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
Not if ILX is any indication.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
I am a strong proponent of the fact most people can learn through conversation, classes, etc. and become more informed and more analytical
then again, I remember the guy who was in one of my college literature courses who was dumb as a brick
― mh π, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:54 (seven years ago) link
It's not that student writing is terrible; it's that 98 percent of it is an unending storm of mediocrity and received ideas.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
I think the problem isn't really 'too many people going to college to goof off and read cool books' the problem is our country hasn't set up its funding and cost control very well. it doesn't really have to be that expensive to let people goof off and read cool books.
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
What else are 18-22 year olds supposed to do with their lives? It isn't like we have the military need for conscription.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
play video games? more productive imo than another mildly intelligent bloke misunderstanding foucault passages.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
neither of these are very productive
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
no, but video games are cheaper and don't put you into 20 years of debt.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
if we remove debt from the equation ... also, who will pay the living and upkeep expenses for the video game players?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
mildly intelligent bloke misunderstanding foucault passages.
i resemble that remark.
actually here's a conservative opinion: we should have comprehensive "great books" style education in high school. (but my liberal side would insist on quite a bit of diversity in that designation). less "critical thinking" skills (that's for college) more "you have to read this to graduate."
― ryan, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
college is wasted on 18-22 year olds
― flopson, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link
college admission at 23 rather than 18 would seem preferable, wouldn't it
― imago, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
you all still haven't offered a credible alternative to what to do with the 18-22 year olds
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
send the ones who most resemble Jake Gyllenhaal to me.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link
conscription to build and improve infrastructure
― softie (silby), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
some kind of public service thing would be cool
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
hunger games style reality show
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
IDK, some people are emotionally ready at 18. I wasn't and nor were most of my peers
oh, what to do with the adulthood-delusion set? they can study, read, work, socially develop at home - there should be an infrastructure for them that precedes college, including funded study materials for the poorest ones
― imago, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
and social clubs in their locales
an extra five years to work out what/if you'll study at college would be a godsend to most
― imago, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
They should all be forming bands that are a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis. That's what happened under Thatcher.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
paid-for nonsense college is a good step towards universal basic income
I guess this is probably the wrong thread for that opinion
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
it's less wrong than imago's opinion
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
why not skip the middle man and just give the money directly to the future judith butler scholars of america
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link
I would imagine that the % of american college students who have heard of or read judith butler is probably like 5%. ilx is not a very representative place.
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
we should really be working to get that number down to .01%
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
β iatee, Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:51 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
id guess even lower tbh
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
haha yeah I went to berkeley and I'm not even sure it would be 20% there
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
you guys might be right that it's a low number but somehow that low number has an oversized presence on campuses and in the social justice and activism worlds - or at the very least they know the name and they know eg that butler said that gender and sex aren't the same thing even if they've never read a page of her work.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
berkeley is such an overrated educational institution
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link
did u know at berkeley idiot undergrad students can get credits for taking courses taught by other idiot undergrad students?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
idk i don't really feel like those groups/people have an oversized presence on campuses
― marcos, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
xps
I got 1 credit for a scrabble class
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link