rolling emo/pop-punk/dogs on skateboards 2017

i plan to have a v expansive definition

^^ into it even though i'll complain during the results

Was taken aback by how emo Meadowlands is when i finally heard it a few years ago, for some reason always assumed they sounded like The National. Was p4k particularly averse to stuff calling itself emo in 2003?

the wrens have a little bit of emo in them anyway imo (the most obvious thing being the emphasis on dual vocals), see this og version of "boys you won't" from an old drive-thru records comp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu0XdDY3zfc

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Was p4k particularly averse to stuff calling itself emo in 2003?

Only stuff they liked.

TBF i lean against meadowlands being available to vote for, idk i dont want it to win idk idk

true story: i would've probably been a huge emo fan in high school but i took the pfork pan of stay what you are to heart

that review apparently no longer exists on the website but this tragedy still does: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/8054-full-collapse/

also: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/4261-bleed-american/

the deja entendu review is also still there. the weird thing with that is i read that review at the time and thought "oh yeah, this record sounds like some bullshit" but mtv2 played "sic transit gloria" CONSTANTLY and i was like, "this song fucking rules, i'm buying the album who gives a shit"

and now i make rolling emo threads on ilx

so glad i didnt care about music reviews until like 2008

well pitchfork anyway. read the source pretty religiously for a long time

im pumped 4 this poll. Are you gonna do albums and tracks?

yeah i probably could've saved myself a lot of adolescent taste posturing had i never followed a link to pfork's kid a review through a radiohead fansite

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Pretty sure it's the NME's fault I didn't listen to any emo records between 'From Under the Cork Tree' and the first Joyce Manor.

all these bad p4k reviews of classic emo albums just screams of anxiety - the knock consistently appears to be that the albums aren't /serious/ enough compared to the EXTREMELY DIFFERENT and NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL college rock indie albums they're touting one review over. hard to imagine someone listening to deja entendu and not finding at least some of the lyrics clever, or listening to all of bleed american and not enjoying any of it. all these reviews sound like the reviewer yelling at their own youth.

at the v least i'll do albums and depending how that goes i'll do tracks too maybe following? it feels like too much to run both simultaneously?

hard to imagine someone listening to deja entendu and not finding at least some of the lyrics clever

to that reviewer's credit i believe he acknowledges that some of the lyrics are great

give spin + andy greenwald credit for treating thursday and brand new and dashboard all seriously - i loved greenwald's nothing feels good and i remember at least a few really excellent profiles of chris carrabba at the time. probably lucky i was reading spin (and RS who iirc didn't weigh in much either way) and not p4k.

conversely i haaaaate the greenwald book but i hate dude's writing generally

well, at least nothing feels good is better than everybody hurts

i haven't read it since it came out so for all i know it would annoy me now but back then it felt good (lol) to see bands i loved getting a somewhat serious treatment on their level. iirc i particularly liked the conversations he had w/ the fans about why they loved this music.

I suffered p much exactly the same musical respectability politics issue that Brad did which is why the closest I got to emo at the time was The Wrens and the Desoto records stuff which tbh I really think should also be considered emo. Some of it (eg Shiner's The Egg) even got the dreaded emo pan

wait, I see that actually got a positive review, I must be thinking of something else from the same period

anyway the early aughts were such a great time for bands threading the post-hardcore / emo / indie rock / art-rock needle imo, see also Frodus

i have no idea what these bands are simon

oh man

the noms thread is going to feature me breathlessly droning on about guitar albums no one else gives a shit about, it's gonna suck/rule

Black Eyes self-titled still goes hard

Still listen to those guys all the time. This track goes so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvomZe3WLo

I guess we can save the debate for the poll but imo to qualify, bands should have *some* kind of over-earnest or, well, emotional quality, which is why I'd be comfortable nominating Juno but not, say, Black Eyes or Q and not U.

I think there are certain Black Eyes tracks (Deformative) but maybe not the albums

anyway the early aughts were such a great time for bands threading the post-hardcore / emo / indie rock / art-rock needle imo, see also Frodus

otm

tbh I thought Jimmy Eat World, Jets to Brazil, etc were terrible at the time. Was much more into stuff like Small Brown Bike, Hot Water, Frodus, Shiner, PMFS... which I guess means just post-hardcore, though emo-core was what we thought of it.

I did like Get Up Kids though so who knows

oh man I remember P4k shitting on JtB (and Jawbreaker's Dear You!) for their emoness so hard

lol Danm never heard of any of those bands.

It isn't emo, but I lost nearly all respect for pitchfork when they gave Lifter Puller's Fiestas & Fiascos a 3.something rating, and then years later were slobbering all over the band after Hold Steady blew up and the LP discography came out.

lol I remember that!

Legit surprised you've never heard of Hot Water Music in an emo thread. Sad! ;) xp

honestly "best album panned by p4k" would also be a great poll

I guess we can save the debate for the poll but imo to qualify, bands should have *some* kind of over-earnest or, well, emotional quality, which is why I'd be comfortable nominating Juno but not, say, Black Eyes or Q and not U.

i would nominate q and not u personally but then i think that also opens the floodgates for like, fugazi, so idk

it's gonna be weird maintaining the limits of a very ill-defined genre!

yeah and it's gonna feel weird and wrong if like The Wrens place above Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge

then again...heartbreak over silly shit would be v emo, so

See I dunno if it's just the influence of the college radio circles I ran with at the time or what, and honestly no offense intended, but My Chemical Romance was widely regarded as garbage by the emo "cognoscenti" I associated with when they came out. Everyone was way more into the stuff coming out on DeSoto, Deep Elm, No Idea, etc.

Or maybe I just hung out with more punk rockers than it seemed like at the time. The joys of dissecting what "emo" is at 38 years old, 17 years after the fact!

remember when ultragrrl (i think that was her name?) called three cheers for sweet revenge this generation's nevermind

See I dunno if it's just the influence of the college radio circles I ran with at the time or what, and honestly no offense intended, but My Chemical Romance was widely regarded as garbage by the emo "cognoscenti" I associated with when they came out.

This was v much the perception in my friend circle at the time, I only learned to love them and FOB thru ILX evangelism (esp brad's) over the least few years

i didn't like FOB until infinity on high and continue to find those earlier albums pretty boring + derivative - i think they really came into their sound around then and it has only been excellent stuff since then. MCR otoh was great from the get-go and if anything i think they kinda lost the plot the more proggy-emo they got. speaking of proggy-emo i'm unapologetically a coheed & cambria fan in particularly second stage turbine and in keeping secrets

particular*

second stage was a huge record for me bc it was kind of a "eureka" moment with regard to the continuity of emo bc parts of it sound like sunny day real estate

besides ILX I think Thursday's A City by the Light Divided was what clued me in to the fact that there was a whole world of stuff I'd previously dismissed, and tbh I don't think I'd have noticed it except for the fact that it crossed over to the indie press due to (I guess) Fridmann's involvement

anyway I will save my most controversial emo recommendation for the noms thread

Enjoying the hell out of the Nervous Dater album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMigoMIkcx8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW6TN9zzObY

y'all check out this extremely baffling synth-heavy prog-emo-metalcore thing i found on the kerrang list

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5PHS8y5ozs

uhhhh wow

I can't tell if I truly love this or if I'm just dazzled by the fact that this particular "epic EDM + metal bits" combo has finally been executed well

same! but i think i really like it!

last track just convinced me that i love it

might be more appropriate on a j-pop thread, but I like this from the Your Name ost.

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gonna let brad make the 2018 thread but happy new Jeff Rosenstock album day!!!

oh cool, I didn't know that was coming

yeah it was a surprise release. he finally wrote his own britpop tune ("TV Stars")

new jeff is pretty good

yes I think that is the correct descriptor, not quite a masterwork/major statement like WORRY was but lots of great and appealingly weird moments

rolling emo/pop-punk/embarrassing music 2018