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send the ones who most resemble Jake Gyllenhaal to me.

conscription to build and improve infrastructure

some kind of public service thing would be cool

hunger games style reality show

IDK, some people are emotionally ready at 18. I wasn't and nor were most of my peers

oh, what to do with the adulthood-delusion set? they can study, read, work, socially develop at home - there should be an infrastructure for them that precedes college, including funded study materials for the poorest ones

and social clubs in their locales

an extra five years to work out what/if you'll study at college would be a godsend to most

They should all be forming bands that are a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis. That's what happened under Thatcher.

paid-for nonsense college is a good step towards universal basic income

I guess this is probably the wrong thread for that opinion

it's less wrong than imago's opinion

why not skip the middle man and just give the money directly to the future judith butler scholars of america

I would imagine that the % of american college students who have heard of or read judith butler is probably like 5%. ilx is not a very representative place.

we should really be working to get that number down to .01%

I would imagine that the % of american college students who have heard of or read judith butler is probably like 5%. ilx is not a very representative place.

― iatee, Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:51 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

id guess even lower tbh

haha yeah I went to berkeley and I'm not even sure it would be 20% there

you guys might be right that it's a low number but somehow that low number has an oversized presence on campuses and in the social justice and activism worlds - or at the very least they know the name and they know eg that butler said that gender and sex aren't the same thing even if they've never read a page of her work.

berkeley is such an overrated educational institution

did u know at berkeley idiot undergrad students can get credits for taking courses taught by other idiot undergrad students?

idk i don't really feel like those groups/people have an oversized presence on campuses

xps

I got 1 credit for a scrabble class

tbf I am very good at scrabble now

xp then somehow my entire educational career i happened to run over and over into the tiny minority of students who knew judith butler's name. maybe i should've hung out w/ the business school kids more.

i think, outside of prestigious ivys and their ilk, you can pretty much graduate most colleges without reading any book other than a textbook.

It's very Mordy to think that the ideas of judith butler have any meaningful influence on anything but a vanishingly small slice of college students

I read "judith butler" a handful of times just now before finally figuring out she's not the nytimes writer who is a hypocrite because she was for the iraq invasion -- that was judith miller, I think

I mean let me put it this way, I went to an ivy league college at the height of high theory and even I don't REALLY know who she is, i know she wrote a book about cyborgs but I could not tell you one thing about what that book says.

Tbf I lived in NYC and knew a lot of NYU English Lit kids and New School students. I knew more than one person doing a thesis on Foucault. Clearly it was who I was attracting and I got a poor impression from my limited anecdotal experiences.

i guess i know gender and sex are different things but i don't think i know what either one of them is according to judith butler

i went to an extremely politically active university in DC as an undergrad, no one really read butler except for a few people in philosophy classes. i've worked at five other colleges and universities since then, the only one of these where people likely to read judith butler had a large presence was at hampshire college and even there i doubt 50% knew who judith butler is. i could be wrong though

i think, outside of prestigious ivys and their ilk, you can pretty much graduate most colleges without reading any book other than a textbook.

― ryan, Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:01 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea i agree

xp right, i think the absolutely critical point here is that NYU students are in no way shape or form "most college students"

i guess i know gender and sex are different things but i don't think i know what either one of them is according to judith butler

i swear tho that this seemed to me like ubiquitous knowledge when i was in college

a friend of mine is a prof at the local ivy league institution and is convinced CONVINCED that judith butler has infected the minds of all of his students but, like, unless she has grown in stature in the last fifteen years, i'm not buying it. i was an english major at the same institution and read maybe two things by butler in a theory course.

clearly i'm a weirdo tho. if i was drawing conclusions based on my high school experience i'd assume everyone was more or less familiar w/ the works of moshe chaim luzzatto

at least i am awake enough to realize /that/ was not representative

http://www.themarysue.com/judith-butler-explained-with-cats/

do you feel like most yeshiva students don't belong there mordy?

tbh the most widely known and talked-about intellectual at my undergrad institution was samuel huntington

fukuyama too probably. nobody talked about butler and i hung around the most far-left intersectional activists and professors on campus

derrida more popular than butler too among the lefty philosophers i knew

people in the architecture department knew who gilles deleuze was but half the philosophy department had no idea

nobody talked about butler and i hung around the most far-left intersectional activists and professors on campus

― marcos, Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:11 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's not accurate actually. i knew one professor who taught feminist philosophy and critical race theory and she mentioned but didnt even assign butler's readings

judith butler is p big with anti-oppressive lesbian social worker types that i know, although many of them did not go to university.

i never heard her discussed in university - i studied mainly 18th century history so the performativity of gender perhaps wasn't germane (gladstone so cis)

do you feel like most yeshiva students don't belong there mordy?

my high school class had 14 students and went down to 9 students as some of the students couldn't hack it. of those 9? i think probably at least 8 of them should've been there. you need at least some bodies to produce the one or two major rabbis you want from every graduating class. obv i was a casualty but i like to think i did my small part to keep brisker talmudic traditions alive for another generation.

18-22 year olds should work and enjoy their lives

also i could be wrong that college is wasted on 18-22 year olds. maybe they all just do it twice?

I wish I'd picked up a double major or decided to stretch out another year by tacking a minor or two on, but again, money

I mean let me put it this way, I went to an ivy league college at the height of high theory and even I don't REALLY know who she is, i know she wrote a book about cyborgs but I could not tell you one thing about what that book says.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), 14. februar 2017 20:04 (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think you're thinking of Donna Haraway, who wrote the Cyborg Manifesto, the key book for understanding Jannelle Monae. Judith Butler wrote Gender Trouble, and her key insight relates to performativity, and her book is the key book for understanding Lady Gaga. But both of them pale in significance to Karen Barad, who wrote Meeting the Universe Halfway, which combines gender studies with quantum mechanics, and is the key book for understanding post-cartesian ontology.

damn i was hoping you'd have a third pop star for Barad

Camille Paglia is more widely read than any of these