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did u know at berkeley idiot undergrad students can get credits for taking courses taught by other idiot undergrad students?

idk i don't really feel like those groups/people have an oversized presence on campuses

xps

I got 1 credit for a scrabble class

tbf I am very good at scrabble now

xp then somehow my entire educational career i happened to run over and over into the tiny minority of students who knew judith butler's name. maybe i should've hung out w/ the business school kids more.

i think, outside of prestigious ivys and their ilk, you can pretty much graduate most colleges without reading any book other than a textbook.

It's very Mordy to think that the ideas of judith butler have any meaningful influence on anything but a vanishingly small slice of college students

I read "judith butler" a handful of times just now before finally figuring out she's not the nytimes writer who is a hypocrite because she was for the iraq invasion -- that was judith miller, I think

I mean let me put it this way, I went to an ivy league college at the height of high theory and even I don't REALLY know who she is, i know she wrote a book about cyborgs but I could not tell you one thing about what that book says.

Tbf I lived in NYC and knew a lot of NYU English Lit kids and New School students. I knew more than one person doing a thesis on Foucault. Clearly it was who I was attracting and I got a poor impression from my limited anecdotal experiences.

i guess i know gender and sex are different things but i don't think i know what either one of them is according to judith butler

i went to an extremely politically active university in DC as an undergrad, no one really read butler except for a few people in philosophy classes. i've worked at five other colleges and universities since then, the only one of these where people likely to read judith butler had a large presence was at hampshire college and even there i doubt 50% knew who judith butler is. i could be wrong though

i think, outside of prestigious ivys and their ilk, you can pretty much graduate most colleges without reading any book other than a textbook.

― ryan, Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:01 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea i agree

xp right, i think the absolutely critical point here is that NYU students are in no way shape or form "most college students"

i guess i know gender and sex are different things but i don't think i know what either one of them is according to judith butler

i swear tho that this seemed to me like ubiquitous knowledge when i was in college

a friend of mine is a prof at the local ivy league institution and is convinced CONVINCED that judith butler has infected the minds of all of his students but, like, unless she has grown in stature in the last fifteen years, i'm not buying it. i was an english major at the same institution and read maybe two things by butler in a theory course.

clearly i'm a weirdo tho. if i was drawing conclusions based on my high school experience i'd assume everyone was more or less familiar w/ the works of moshe chaim luzzatto

at least i am awake enough to realize /that/ was not representative

http://www.themarysue.com/judith-butler-explained-with-cats/

do you feel like most yeshiva students don't belong there mordy?

tbh the most widely known and talked-about intellectual at my undergrad institution was samuel huntington

fukuyama too probably. nobody talked about butler and i hung around the most far-left intersectional activists and professors on campus

derrida more popular than butler too among the lefty philosophers i knew

people in the architecture department knew who gilles deleuze was but half the philosophy department had no idea

nobody talked about butler and i hung around the most far-left intersectional activists and professors on campus

― marcos, Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:11 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's not accurate actually. i knew one professor who taught feminist philosophy and critical race theory and she mentioned but didnt even assign butler's readings

judith butler is p big with anti-oppressive lesbian social worker types that i know, although many of them did not go to university.

i never heard her discussed in university - i studied mainly 18th century history so the performativity of gender perhaps wasn't germane (gladstone so cis)

do you feel like most yeshiva students don't belong there mordy?

my high school class had 14 students and went down to 9 students as some of the students couldn't hack it. of those 9? i think probably at least 8 of them should've been there. you need at least some bodies to produce the one or two major rabbis you want from every graduating class. obv i was a casualty but i like to think i did my small part to keep brisker talmudic traditions alive for another generation.

18-22 year olds should work and enjoy their lives

also i could be wrong that college is wasted on 18-22 year olds. maybe they all just do it twice?

I wish I'd picked up a double major or decided to stretch out another year by tacking a minor or two on, but again, money

I mean let me put it this way, I went to an ivy league college at the height of high theory and even I don't REALLY know who she is, i know she wrote a book about cyborgs but I could not tell you one thing about what that book says.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), 14. februar 2017 20:04 (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think you're thinking of Donna Haraway, who wrote the Cyborg Manifesto, the key book for understanding Jannelle Monae. Judith Butler wrote Gender Trouble, and her key insight relates to performativity, and her book is the key book for understanding Lady Gaga. But both of them pale in significance to Karen Barad, who wrote Meeting the Universe Halfway, which combines gender studies with quantum mechanics, and is the key book for understanding post-cartesian ontology.

damn i was hoping you'd have a third pop star for Barad

Camille Paglia is more widely read than any of these

the key book for understanding Jannelle Monae

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imago said

social clubs in their locales

I instantly thought this:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/quietus_production/images/articles/17532/V_2_Smiths_-quietus_1427661580_crop_550x830.jpg

And then Tom D said

They should all be forming bands

And I loled

Camille Paglia is more widely read than any of these

this can't possibly be true can it

i'm not going to argue this as fiercely as deej in the t-shirt thread, but i would be surprised if it wasn't true

well in my world of pretentious young ppl

damn i was hoping you'd have a third pop star for Barad

― Mordy, 14. februar 2017 20:27 (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Me too! I thought of just bullshitting and saying 'Grimes', but somehow someone would probably point out that that makes no sense.

Baradian semiotics. Severely underdeveloped.

almost every non-math or -science classes i took in college mentioned samuel huntington in some way

i didn't hear huntington's name (or bernard lewis') once until after i graduated! and i went to a relatively conservative undergrad institution.

i heard of huntington only after 9/11. i did read fukuyama as an undergrad (on my own initiative) and it was sort of a handy introduction to hegel, iirc.

Marcos when did you work at Hampshire? That was where I attended undergrad (07-11). Heard at least one fellow student of mine use the nickname "Judy Buts"

I have never heard of Samuel Huntington.

i think, outside of prestigious ivys and their ilk, you can pretty much graduate most colleges without reading any book other than a textbook.

― ryan, Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:01 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark

this isn't true but even if it were, there is a reason why students aren't required to buy a bunch of books outside of their textbooks
they are expensive

you guys are revealing your educational privilege if you don't think there are plenty of non-traditional students who benefit substantially from college. my workplace was recently identified as #1 in the state in helping to raise the socioeconomic status of our students. #1!!

i'm sure in some circumstances some colleges and some college degrees can raise a student's socioeconomic status. i think for many other colleges and many other students they are a trap to stick students with thousands of dollars in debt and, depending on their major, for an education that offers no value in the marketplace.

i understand that and yes, that is true SOME of the time
but to make sweeping generalizations is to discredit the very useful hard work SOME people are doing to improve their lives and their families' lives. it's making students like mine even more invisible than they already are. and i rightfully object to that.

Marcos when did you work at Hampshire? That was where I attended undergrad (07-11). Heard at least one fellow student of mine use the nickname "Judy Buts"

― softie (silby), Tuesday, February 14, 2017 3:00 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha i was there from 08-09!!

xp let's all endeavor to make un-invisible both those students benefiting from college educations and those trapped by them!