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you're necessarily not*

Mordy, Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link

Well if we two don't prove that already then idk what

Betsy DeVos Ayes (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:54 (seven years ago) link

re this

fwiw I think this is false or at least misleadingly incomplete. intellectuals are not unmoved movers channelling the world of forms. or to frame it in a different set of jargon: they're not outside the dialectic advancing it all by themselves, but are led and directed by it. any intellectual history or theory of intellectual change that doesn't pay attention to the way material, historical, social contingencies etc. shape the production, form and content of ideas is not worth bothering with imo. the conditions in which intellectuals operate have a political & ideological character which is shaped by other factors outside of their control

i don't disagree at all. i think figuring out why they've gravitated towards this particularly ideology over the last few decades is an interesting question with a lot of potential answers. the hayek piece is a good place to start there and Sund4r names a few of these elements in this his post above. his entire quibble is that moldbug believes the historical context is an accumulation of power (that these ideas are useful for), whereas hayek (and i'm sure you and i) can think of much more persuasive reasons.

Mordy, Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link

What ideology have academics been gravitating towards? Unlike Moldbug, (the Nobel Prize-winning LSE prof) Hayek was writing about something specific: socialism, defined as "a planned and directed economic system". This ideology had a lot of currency in 1949 but hardly anyone believes in this now. I'm not a social scientist as such but I can't believe that this kind of socialism dominates the intellectual class today. (And a lot of currently fashionable ideas in terms of e.g. queer/gender theory are things that Hayek's Marxian socialists wouldn't have especially cared about afaik.) Capitalism is everywhere in the universities of today, as I alluded to above. (Tomorrow, I'm going to indoctrinate the youth in good studio technique when it comes to recording a commercial pop-style vocal overdub.)

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link

I don't think socialism in the academy is as quite out of favor as you're suggesting but yes there are these other intellectual trends that have begun to dominate the modern academy - things like various oppression studies, post-colonialism, queer/gender theory, race theory, etc. In the most important facets these ideological leanings are similar to Socialism in-so-far as they both deal w/ egalitarian ideals, social restructuring, etc. (Open to debate whether they are equally successful at tackling these questions.)

Mordy, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link

Are race and gender theory dominating the academy more than tech internships and expensive MBA programmes? Idk.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link

But OK, I'll give you that the former are more likely to shape the intellectual direction of the social sciences.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:35 (seven years ago) link

does MM place football programs anywhere in his schema of university power over american life

goole, Thursday, 16 February 2017 19:37 (seven years ago) link

iirc no

Mordy, Thursday, 16 February 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link

Are race and gender theory dominating the academy more than tech internships and expensive MBA programmes? Idk.

― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:32 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not to mention the relative power of gender studies masters degree graduates vs someone who got their MBA from the General Pinochet School of Business at the University of Chicago (the former ends up teaching gender studies the latter is a functionary in the trump government)

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 16 February 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link

https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-the-skeleton-key-to-the-rise-of-trump-624e7cb798cb#.pnnrhs441

These days, 4chan appears in the news almost weekly. This past week, there were riots at Berkeley in the wake of the scheduled lecture by their most prominent supporter, Milo Yiannopoulos. The week before that neo-Nazi Richard Spencer pointed to his 4chan inspired Pepe the Frog pin, about to explain the significance when an anti-fascist protester punched him in the face. The week before that, 4chan claimed (falsely) it had fabricated the so called Trump “Kompromat”. And the week before that, in the wake of the fire at Ghost Ship, 4chan decided to make war on “liberal safe spaces” and DIY venues across the country.
How did we get here? What is 4chan exactly? And how did a website about anime become the avant garde of the far right? Mixed up with fascist movements, international intrigue, and Trump iconography? How do we interpret it all?

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 17 February 2017 04:09 (seven years ago) link

Er.... do any of those really count as 4chan being "in the news?" (Also, again with "riots at Berkeley, " come on.)

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Friday, 17 February 2017 04:58 (seven years ago) link

I feel like the nihilism angle among Trump supporters -- maybe just young ones -- has been overlooked in favor of a "desperation" narrative, wherein people still cling to hope even as they vote for some incoherent idea of change by any means. I appreciated this article because it drew attention to the fact that many people voted for Trump because he was a dirtbag and that we have a lot of people in this society who are just totally fucked, bitterer than bitter

Treeship, Friday, 17 February 2017 13:35 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, some of them are just, like, deplorable or something. If only someone had tried to draw attention to that.

Frederik B, Friday, 17 February 2017 13:43 (seven years ago) link

not to mention the relative power of gender studies masters degree graduates vs someone who got their MBA from the General Pinochet School of Business at the University of Chicago (the former ends up teaching gender studies the latter is a functionary in the trump government)

Heh @ General Pinochet School of Business.

Anecdotally, I mean, my partner does teach humanities courses, in a dept where she works under senior faculty who include this guy and this guy. Not exactly Fidel and Che.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Friday, 17 February 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link

Milo lost his book deal?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 February 2017 23:22 (seven years ago) link

Yup. Rumors flying he might be dropped from Breitbart as well.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 February 2017 23:23 (seven years ago) link

Sweet.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 20 February 2017 23:24 (seven years ago) link

I guess sex with kids is the free speech demarcation line?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 February 2017 23:27 (seven years ago) link

That and he did such a horrendous job on Maher - nobody could stand to watch him for two minutes, because he's such a fake - anybody who put money in and has a sense of smell has to be cutting losses at this point.

Milo! If you got in before Maher, NYT Best Seller. Now, squat. Nothing.

El Tomboto, Monday, 20 February 2017 23:40 (seven years ago) link

Has Maher taken credit for this yet

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 00:48 (seven years ago) link

this rando tweeter seems fairly otm

https://twitter.com/winter_wk/status/833804488800481281

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 01:09 (seven years ago) link

Yep

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 01:42 (seven years ago) link

my friend FBed p much the same thing this morning. weird-assed lines in the sand but that's Breitbart.

wish we could resurrect Andrew and kill him again with lightning

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 01:55 (seven years ago) link

the milo letterhead is amazing

very 'i designed this for my half-elven thief-illusionist when i was eleven'

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link

He's doing a press conference right now which is all "Sorry if you were offended by my jokes/you can't silence me/my critics are hypocrits" etc.

everything, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link

"This is a cynical media witchhunt by people who don't care about children". uh ok dude.

everything, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link

sort of the logical end of all of this shitty edgelord ideology. all criticism of speech, no matter whether it is harassment, or bigotry, or promotion of pederasty, is restriction of freedom of speech and hypocritical virtue signaling. because these fucking ghouls are so lacking with empathy they don't realize that many people find all of these things vile and hateful

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link

Milo's logo is a person on all fours

flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link

Look closely

flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link

it looks like the logo for a post-skrillex edm act that's somewhere fairly far down the tour poster, like right above the acts that just get listed in normal typeface

mh 😏, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:18 (seven years ago) link

"This is a cynical media witchhunt by people who don't care about children".

if you mean breitbart and cpac ghouls then yeah that's p much otm

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link

He says he's done more for "gays" than all of the "gay charities" in the last 30 years. Fuckin' hell, he's delusional.

everything, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link

never forget that Trump threatened to pull federal funding from colleges that wouldn't let him speak

frogbs, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link

@Bencjacobs
Milo Yiannopoulos says in his press conference that he has a US visa designating him "an alien of extraordinary abilities"

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link

i'm a broken record but if Dems had the balls/ sheer shamelessness of Republicans Trump & GOP whould be synonymous with Dylann Roof and pedophilia

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link

would

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link

I blocked a gay friend on FB for insisting that Yiannopoulos, while "vile," was valuable for Starting Conversations.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link

i'm a broken record but if Dems had the balls/ sheer shamelessness of Republicans Trump & GOP whould be synonymous with Dylann Roof and pedophilia

well, they're already the party of "grab 'em by the pussy".....

frogbs, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link

it looks like the logo for a post-skrillex edm act that's somewhere fairly far down the tour poster, like right above the acts that just get listed in normal typeface
― mh 😏, Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:18 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is perfect, hats off to you

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link

how lovely, by the way, that it took pedophilia for CPAC to fire him and not anti-semitism and Muslim baiting.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link

Shh, you're giving it away!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link

Milo's logo is a person on all fours

Well, he's on his knees now.

Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link

It's the interweb version of the dead woman/live boy red line!

jane burkini (suzy), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link

if the GOP was perceived as being OK with sexualizing (and having sex with) male teens in 2017, someone might bring up the fact their former speaker of the house raped teens, paid them off, and was busted for both very publicly, only for the party to seemingly not give a shit

mh 😏, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link

Tombot otm re the tv appearance. He was so bad on camera and no one knew it until that appearance.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link

I mean, Denny Hastert

In the prosecution's filing ahead of sentencing, federal prosecutors made allegations of sexual misconduct against Hastert (the first time they had done so publicly), saying that he had molested at least four boys as young as 14 while he worked as a high school wrestling coach decades earlier.

Sixty letters asking for leniency for Hastert were submitted to the court ahead of sentencing, but nineteen of these letters were withdrawn after Judge Durkin said that he would not consider any letters that were not made public

mh 😏, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link

xp also yeah, Yiannopolous really could have used an actual stylist and speech coach if he wanted to be a talking head and not boorish columnist

mh 😏, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5K84OoVcAATxpk.jpg

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 20:46 (seven years ago) link


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