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HDD=Hard Disc Drive
SSD=Solid State Drive. SSDs are flash-based, so they have way lower latency than HDDs. Things like booting, opening files, changing apps (when virtual memory is being used) become much much faster with an SSD. All Macs are SSD-based now (I think?).

DJI, Monday, 20 February 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link

Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-75E500B/AM) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OBRE5UE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_K-0QybXRAMGS4

DJI, Monday, 20 February 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link

Cool thanks!

So the other takeaway here, too, is that any new Macbook I get now would also be much faster than one from 6-7 years ago, too, right? (It's kind hard as a non-gearhead who doesn't know how to read the numbers. Like, I know more ram is faster in general, obviously, but I don't have a frame of reference for how specific numbers of ram correlates to speed)

Evan R, Monday, 20 February 2017 20:25 (seven years ago) link

Any new macbook will be much faster.

dan selzer, Monday, 20 February 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link

yes 6-7 years is quite long, even the lowest end machine now will be faster than the highest end machine from then unless some serious weird shit happened

mh 😏, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 03:19 (seven years ago) link

i've had this macbook pro since 2012 and i can't wait until i'm forced to get a new one. on one hand it's great that the products last so long (and it works pretty much as well as it did the day i got it) otoh the new products are so shiny + new...

Mordy, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 03:21 (seven years ago) link

I know I'm like a broken record but...2008 8-core mac pro, 2 SSDs, 3 HDD, 10 gigs ram, USB 3 card, WIFI card and it still runs...pretty damn good. But it doesn't support Sierra and is definitely a bit creaky at times, though still working better than middle of the road newer machines. I DESPERATELY want to buy a new mac but there is NOTHING worth buying! Get with the program apple please.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 03:33 (seven years ago) link

Mine is a mid-2012 MacBook Pro (last of the non-retinas), and with the SSD it runs plenty fast. I use Lightroom, Pixelmator, Ableton Live, without running into noticeable slowdown. Pre-SSD it was pretty unbearable.

DJI, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 03:37 (seven years ago) link

Is it wise to pay about $800 for a refusbished MacBook Air 13" i5 Quad Core, 4GB ram, 120 SSD from mid-2013? It's main purpose will be for writing, and some browsing and e-mail on the side, nothing fancy. Will it last three or four years with Sierra on it without having to update in order for it to still work?

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 11:27 (seven years ago) link

no matter what you're doing I think 8 gigs of ram should be the minimum now.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:07 (seven years ago) link

quite tempted to upgrade my 2011 mini but i still haven't swapped in an SSD.. i should do that, right? there's no USB 3 on this thing but there is thunderbolt.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:21 (seven years ago) link

and i'd be upgrading a model that was last updated in.... 2014 :/

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:26 (seven years ago) link

sorry upgrading TO a model..

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:26 (seven years ago) link

not worth upgraded the mini right now. Many people still prefer the 2012 mini to the new one. It has more cores and more easily upgradable. I don't think getting any new mac right now is a good idea. They need to update the mini and Pro or have some other option within the next few months or at least announce as such or I'm jumping ship.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:32 (seven years ago) link

Dan, you're probably right. Not a very big jump in price either to ones with 8gb, so that's what it will be. Thanks!

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:35 (seven years ago) link

i'm on an imac from 2012 that's...fine, but i think i'll be upgrading soonish. is linux still not worth it, or what

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:38 (seven years ago) link

I live in Adobe products (and some music software) that requires OSX or Windows, so if I jump it will be to a windows machine. I really don't want to though.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:41 (seven years ago) link

for that macbook air I'd try to go for a bigger hard-drive as well.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:42 (seven years ago) link

Thanks, but I don't think I'll need it. It will be a secondary machine, really mostly for writing and occasionally looking something up. Other macbook w/ heavier specs still the 'main' one.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 13:52 (seven years ago) link

kinda insane that refurbished imac retinas are down to $1300-1400

, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 14:48 (seven years ago) link

seconded thirded etc re swapping out original mac hard drives for new ssds. i'm close to dan selzer's situation i think, having a late-2008 mbp. ssd installation was a breeze and liberated the machine. i'm still not convinced on the 8gb ram upper limit - have read some forum posts stating that it's best to stick with the mac prescribed 4gb.

i do feel that i want to preserve this machine for as long as possible given the prices and the specs of the most recent models. it's been nearly 9 years now and a long and healthy relationship, there is no mac-brexit here...

wtev, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:02 (seven years ago) link

I don't know about 2008 mbp. The models my parents have have been tested w/ 16gigs and are fine.

I have a 2010 MacBook Pro with the Anti Glare screen, 8 gigs of RAM, i5, optical drive swapped out for an SSD. It's OK.

But I have a work 2016 MacBook Pro i7 and it's way faster. 16 gigs of RAM.

I have two monitors I like. I just want to buy a nice small powerful desktop computer.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link

I put 16gb in my 2011 MacBook pro and it works fine, it understands that it's there, etc.

I also swapped out the HDD for an SSD, but put the old HDD into a cage that fit into the optical drive slot. This is great as I have 1TB for storage and 128gb for OS stuff, but holy shit was it hard to actually do this - you have to essentially gut the whole thing to get to the optical drive and it took way longer than I had expected.

joygoat, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 23:04 (seven years ago) link

swapping for a SSD is essential, way more so than ram upgrades imo

Spottie, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 23:11 (seven years ago) link

I DESPERATELY want to buy a new mac but there is NOTHING worth buying! Get with the program apple please.


I like my new MBP but I do wish Apple seemed less embarrassed to be selling computers.

0 / 0 (lukas), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 01:09 (seven years ago) link

Putting all my faith into a new MBP refresh that actually means something.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 05:08 (seven years ago) link

woo! i reserved a pair of airpods at the king of prussia apple store. normally that's a shlep for me but i'm pulling freon in worcester all week so i figure i can swing by the shop on my way home from the data center.

Mordy, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link

they're awesome btw :D

Mordy, Thursday, 23 February 2017 05:05 (seven years ago) link

I have a Macbook Pro again after about a year of only having an iPad and Ive spent the past few weeks automatically pinching to zoom or trying to slide windows across the screen. Anyone else do this?

I bought the 2015 MbP, btw (purchased 2016) from an ebay seller for around half the price of the brand new model and it still has two years of applecare so, I'm chuffed.

Heavy Doors (jed_), Thursday, 23 February 2017 09:58 (seven years ago) link

so i spilled a whole coffee (with cream) on my new retina macbook pro with touchbar this morning

i immediately flipped it upside down on my desk, and then after giving it a minute to drain, wiped it dry. because of the keyboard construction it seems that very little if any coffee got into the body. the action on the keys seems a little sticky, but honestly they kind of felt that way before the spill.

so there's that to factor in, next time i get in a conversation about the new macbook keyboard design

the late great, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link

the latte great

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link

(Commiserations tbh)

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link

did you buy it with a credit card with purchase protection in the last 90 days?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 27 February 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link

no, i bought it in october, when it came out. it seems to be working fine, speakers and all. hopefully the stickiness of the keys will work itself out with time.

the late great, Monday, 27 February 2017 21:56 (seven years ago) link

i just spent an hour on the phone with apple. last night somebody got into my rarely-used american itunes account, which has a very strong password associated with it. slightly worrying. they then changed the credit card information, the billing information, and the security questions. they then bought three in-app purchases. 2x25 "toy blast" coins, at $0.99 a pop, and a $14.99 in-app purchase from a random chinese war game.

apple's policy on security questions is that you have to wait 8 hours to change them, once they've been changed. so i'm locked out of my account for the next few hours. i don't care, because i never use that account but.... really?

the strangest part is that they didn't use my credit card. they changed the credit card information to some other card, used that, then deleted it from the account. (I have a feeling the CC associated with that account probably expired several years ago.. maybe they were like "dammit" and then just plumbed in the CC details of some other poor sucker?)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 March 2017 09:17 (seven years ago) link

None of that makes any sense! Money laundering?

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 March 2017 09:53 (seven years ago) link

i... maybe? i just got another receipt, this one for $29.99. different credit card, same account. the account's disabled now, so i guess there's a lag between purchase and receipt.

not thrilled with my street address now being associated with money laundering but i don't suppose there's much anyone can do about that now?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 March 2017 09:57 (seven years ago) link

did you share the itunes account password with any other account? yahoo?

, Monday, 13 March 2017 12:48 (seven years ago) link

Blame cloudbleed for everything imo

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 March 2017 13:33 (seven years ago) link

it was a unique, strong password (generated via 1password). account unlinked to others. not used for probably a year at least. (i think i set it up originally so that i could play with real MLB teams in 9innings lol)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 March 2017 13:54 (seven years ago) link

dang

speaking of, my instagram email was changed without changing my password or anything. weird!

, Monday, 13 March 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link

so after the required 8 hours had passed, i went to change my security questions back from whatever the hackers had changed them to.

can you guess where this is going? in order to access my account, i was...... wait for it..... asked a security question

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 10:34 (seven years ago) link

cue another 45 minutes on the phone and counting. i've now spoken with two different people, each of whom has suggested logging into my account in order to change the questions. i say i can't, because i have to answer a security question to get in, and they've been changed by hackers, which is the whole point of this call! "ok then sir, do you remember what the questions were when you set up the account?" GAAAAHHHHHHH

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 10:52 (seven years ago) link

insult to injury they've got george ezra singing "budapest" to me now

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 10:55 (seven years ago) link

third advisor now, a "senior" advisor. just re-explained everything and then we suddenly got disconnected. no idea how to get back in touch with this guy.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 11:07 (seven years ago) link

i mean

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 11:07 (seven years ago) link

ffs apple get it together. george ezra is a lil' extra brown squirt on that shit sandwich

otoh i managed to destroy my macbook charger by getting it caught in the hoover recently and apple sent me another one free of charge after a two-minute phone call. thx for not punishing me for being a fucking idiot apple

george ezra again fml

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 11:45 (seven years ago) link

why does hold music always sound like 14.4 RealMedia files being whistled through someone's asshole

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 11:45 (seven years ago) link


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