Is the work of Steven Soderbergh the most overrated thing ever?

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Hey in schizopolis, there's a segment where they start speaking in grammatical descriptions of the dialogue instead of actual dialogue, but I heard a similar thing put on by a comedy? troupe on this american life -- was this tribute or outright pilfering?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 April 2009 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Glenn Kenny on his role in The Girlfriend Experience:

http://www.theauteurs.com/notebook/posts/672

(now I don't have to be tempted to report what I overheard him say about it in a screening room)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

COME ON

s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

did u see it?

s1ocki, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link

no.

Nothing spectacular, he just said what I'm sure will be in these two articles.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link

there didn't seem to be anything particularly revealing or surprising in those posts

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Friday, 22 May 2009 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

lol ebert (four * review): Chelsea is played by Sasha Grey. She is 21. Since 2006, according to IMDb, she's made 161 porn films, of which only the first title can be quoted here: "Sasha Grey Superslut." No, here's another, which makes me smile: "My First Porn #7." I haven't seen any of them, but now I would like to see one, watching very carefully, to see if she suggests more than one level.

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Friday, 22 May 2009 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

lol i did not know that was glenn kenny in that scene. think he should star in a biopic of jim toback

movie was ok liked it lots more than che

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 13:25 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

In Skittish Hollywood, Stars Can’t Save ‘Moneyball’

By MICHAEL CIEPLY, NY Times

LOS ANGELES — In a production office here, at least a couple of would-be film workers were still hanging around on Monday, hoping in vain to score with their troubled baseball movie “Moneyball.”

But they had swung, and missed.

The powers at Sony Pictures, which was supposed to finance the film, and the Creative Artists Agency, whose prize client Brad Pitt had agreed to star in it, were, meanwhile, wrapping up a rhubarb with the director Steven Soderbergh, a clutch of producers and each other. This followed Sony’s decision to halt the picture just days before shooting was to have begun in Los Angeles, Oakland and Phoenix last week.

The last-minute demise of a high-profile film project, especially one starring an A-list star like Mr. Pitt, is Hollywood’s equivalent of a bridge collapse. Painful, expensive, and damaging to all involved, the spectacle is rare. It happened with “Used Guys,” a high-priced comedy at 20th Century Fox in 2006.

But such disasters — this one is estimated to have cost Sony $10 million in development and pre-production costs — may become more common as an increasingly nervous film business comes to terms with a sharp decline in home video revenue, the diminishing power of even the most popular stars to muscle their projects into production and new uncertainty over complicated bets like “Moneyball.”

“They’re much more careful about doing a movie just because a star wants to do it,” said Eric Weissmann, a long-time entertainment lawyer who recalled the days when Warner Brothers made a film, “An Enemy of the People,” based on an Ibsen play, largely because Steve McQueen wanted to do it.

“Moneyball,” which is based on a 2003 nonfiction book by Michael Lewis, is supposed to tell the story of Billy Beane, the Oakland Athletics general manager who figured out how to build a winning team on the cheap with players who were undervalued by the conventional measures of success in baseball.

Not hugely expensive — the budget was estimated at around $57 million — but not a small indie project, either, the film was of a sophisticated type that needs the cachet of a Soderbergh, the star power of a Pitt and perhaps Academy Awards potential to overcome its somewhat cerebral quality and the difficulty of attracting foreign viewers for American-based sports pictures.

But some of those elements collided in the last few weeks, increasing doubts that Hollywood — where specialty divisions like Warner Independent Pictures and Paramount Vantage have been closed or diminished — is losing its ability to deliver tricky but appealing pictures like “Good Night, and Good Luck” or “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button,” which earned Oscar nominations for George Clooney (as a director) and Mr. Pitt (as a star).

As of Tuesday, “Moneyball” was back in development, with Sony executives still hoping at some point to work with Mr. Pitt. But Mr. Soderbergh was off the project. And the studio was gearing up eventually to find someone who would direct something more like the version of the script written by the Oscar-winner Steven Zaillian than the rewritten version by Mr. Soderbergh that scuttled the project.

But that might bring problems of its own. One of the reasons Mr. Soderbergh made his script changes was to win the approval of Major League Baseball, which was not happy with some factual liberties in Mr. Zaillian’s version. Such approval is crucial in a reality-based baseball film that intends to use protected trademarks.

“Typically, on a film like this, we look at it for historical accuracy,” said Matthew Bourne, a public relations vice-president for Major League Baseball. “We’re been in touch with Soderbergh and Sony, and they’ve been receptive to our requests” Mr. Bourne said.

Representatives of Sony, Mr. Pitt, and Mr. Soderbergh all declined to discuss “Moneyball.” But accounts from more than a dozen people involved with the film, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid damaging professional relationships, described a process in which the heady thrill of a film rushing toward production was halted by a studio that was suddenly confronted by plans for something artier and more complex than it had bargained for.

A central player in the drama has been Amy Pascal, Sony’s co-chairman, and an executive known for taking a strong hand in the development of scripts. Ms. Pascal and her team became involved with “Moneyball” about six years ago, when a relatively untested producer, Rachael Horovitz, brought the book to Sony with a screenwriter, Stan Chervin, after virtually every other buyer in Hollywood had passed.

Stephen Rivele and Christopher Wilkinson — writers who had worked with Sony on pictures like “Ali” — also wrote a draft. Then Mr. Chervin returned to work with the director David Frankel, who opted to do “Marley & Me” instead.

Mr. Pitt, a fan of the book, meanwhile had become interested, putting the film on a fast track at Sony, which, hired Mr. Zaillian, another of the studio’s favorites, to do another rewrite, even as it agreed to bring on Mr. Soderbergh as the director.

While he has scored big with studio projects like the “Ocean’s Eleven” series with Mr. Pitt, Mr. Soderbergh remains one of Hollywood’s most self-consciously distinctive directors. He serves as his own cinematographer, often contributes to scripts and has worked lately on a series of challenging, low-budget films like his two-part “Che,” a Spanish-language movie that made its debut both in a small number of theaters and on pay-per-view.

Two weeks ago, a mismatch in both personal style and expectations proved fatal to “Moneyball.” Mr. Soderbergh, about a week before shooting, delivered his own revision of the script, which Sony executives saw as being far more documentary-like than Mr. Zaillian’s approach.

The executives, who had just seen disappointing results from “The Taking of Pelham 123” and “Year One,” rebelled.

It cannot have helped that the new script showed up just days after an announcement in Washington that Sony was about to begin an elaborate production by yet another studio favorite, the writer-director James L. Brooks, with Owen Wilson and Reese Witherspoon. The untitled new movie is a romantic comedy set in the world of — baseball.

The situation was particularly ticklish, given Mr. Pascal’s close professional relationship with Bryan Lourd, the Creative Artists partner who serves as one of Mr. Pitt’s agents. In a highly unusual arrangement, when the studio decided to pull the plug on Mr. Soderbergh’s film, it allowed representatives for him, Mr. Pitt and the producers a weekend-long window to shop the film to Paramount, where Mr. Pitt is closely allied with the studio chief, Brad Grey, and Warner, where both Mr. Pitt and Mr. Soderbergh have strong ties.

Both studios, however, immediately passed.

Through last week, the “Moneyball” team looked for a compromise that might restart the film, which was already weeks into its expensive prep period. But Fox, which also got a look, joined those who passed.

And by this week, the movie, at least in its current configuration, was dead. Mr. Pitt’s representatives had an eye out for his next picture. Mr. Soderbergh’s were looking for ways to assure that his valuable, if somewhat eccentric, career, would not be harmed by the debacle.

And those who looked forward to “Moneyball,” the film, were waiting to see whether Hollywood might still figure it out.

“There’s a movie in there,” Mr. Wilkinson said on Monday. “But it’s a very unusual movie.”

Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link

god $57 million for a frickin baseball executive movie?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link

is Dubya in it?

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link

three cheers for sony imho. soderbergh's personal/serious/arty films have a very low strike rate.

the informant looks pretty dece.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i was lollin at the informant trailer

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link

max, $57 M is dirt-cheap for any Brad Pitt-starring film.

enrique, you're such a pro-shit scumbag.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry, I meant cad, not max xxxp

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link

so you enjoyed 'che', 'full frontal', 'the good german'?

apparently ss wanted to excise from the script anything that 'didn't really happen'. what a dick. soderbergh, you're fucking out.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link

what an asshole, wanting to make a movie that way.

Michael tapeworm much talent for the future (s1ocki), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

wonder if erin brockovich was that sassy irl.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link

xp yeah i realize that pitt is commanding a lot of that i'm just continually bemused by how ppl need $57 million for a film that in terms of actual execution should need what--10? 15?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link

nice use of american baseball slang nrq

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm guessing nrq wouldn't know a baseball if it struck him in the nutz. (and i'd love to test that)

I saw only Che of those, like the first half particularly. I quite liked Bubble and Solaris.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

also cad, the budget for MLB licensing and shooting in ballparks ... this would be a early '00s period film, calling for quite a bit of FX to make the game transitions work...

If the script didn't stick to general facts, MLB might withdraw its co-op, which would kill the film (a different way).

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

ok, you are slowly convincing me....

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the average studio pic budget is well over $100 mil, and even the avg Aniston romcom costs $60 M or more. (pre-advertising)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

solaris is maybe the worst movie i've ever seen. soderbergh is overrated but his fans are more annoying than the movies he's been a part of imo.

Matt P, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm a fan of his! i think i'm kind of annoying too, but not overly so

surm, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

what does that even mean xp

Michael tapeworm much talent for the future (s1ocki), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

like ppl who wear steven soderbergh t-shirts?

Michael tapeworm much talent for the future (s1ocki), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't do that

surm, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

artists who follow their muse will be "annoying" some of the time

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

who's worse, soderbergh fans or DMB fans???

i want to marry a pizza (gbx), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Soderbergh fans joined forces with grieving MJ fans.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

you know what that should have been "two people i didn't like who always brought up steven soderbergh in class as examples of 'post-modern' cinema in 2002." solaris still sucked so hard but i haven't seen very many of his other movies so idk honestly

Matt P, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

steven soderbergh is ok but the fanfic writers are a little ott

Matt P, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Especially the mpreg stories.

Detroit Metal City (Nicole), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i really wish ppl would EXPLAIN why things "suck so hard"

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i foolishly GISed mpreg before checking wikipedia x-post

Matt P, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

it's a remake of my favorite tarkovsky movie and one of my favorite movies of all time with george clooney in it, who drives me crazy, so admittedly i'm a little biased. i saw it years ago and i've forgotten specifics but i just remember feeling like it was the most pretentious and vacuous movie i'd ever seen.

Matt P, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Solaris is the Kid A of films. make of that what you will.
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:54 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark

Matt P, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

a movie about baseball, really

josh fenderman (jeff), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

what a tragedy for movies about baseball

We are not a gossip site like Wikipedia (hmmmm), Thursday, 2 July 2009 04:37 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I cannot join the contrarians in praising The Informant!, which strains to be a satire of something or other (the corporate culture of theft, I wish). Matt Damon's bipolar voiceover wore me out before his Bruce McCullochization. I don't particularly understand all the bashing of the Marvin Hamlisch score, it just underlines the already smug vibe.

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

It was obnoxious. Scott Bakula and his hair were the only saving graces.

I did get The Girlfriend Experience today.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link

*instant rimsh...wait that sounds wrong.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I liked Bakula! Tom Smothers slipped by unnoticed; I did spot his brother.

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

So, is this the point where everyone comes to their senses and realises this man has never made a good film?

grobravara hollaglob (dowd), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

King of the Hill, Out of Sight, The Limey, Erin Brockovich, The Girlfriend Experience comprises an impressive achievement.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link

*comprise

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

watched "king of the hill" it was good i thought. also i correctly id'd a young katherine heigl! i never really knew she started so young

johnny crunch, Friday, 3 September 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link


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