rolling explaining conservatism

in my very amateurish opinion modern conservativism has two major planks:

1) denial of any link between capitalism and the undermining of traditional values.
2) strict and explicit separation of society into categories of, let's say, "elect" and "damned" (those deserving of privilege, security, etc. and those undeserving...white supremacy is obviously a huge part of this)

All conservatism is the rationalization and preservation of privilege. The hatefulness and nastiness that seems to travel with it has always been there, but obviously people have had different expectations throughout history about what's uncouth and which are the parts you aren't supposed to say out loud.

Scalzi's essay is a tad goofy but I liked his nerdy explanation of privilege: "In the role playing game known as The Real World, “Straight White Male” is the lowest difficulty setting there is."

Any policies that increase egalitarianism in Western societies, by necessity, can be seen as mildly increasing the difficulty setting for Straight White Male. If you're not doing so great at The Real World, and you were already on the lowest difficulty setting, then something's clearly very wrong.

life is a golf course. climate change is a chinese hoax

life is a golf ball, I wanna drive it all night long

russian=socialists are the worst ever evil in the world, except when republican president donald trump houses and praises them. government is the problem, as well

states' rights except when not

I'd love to see Scalzi recite his essay to the corpse of a drug overdosed white person whose lost all realistic hope for his/her life. Americans don't know each other anymore.

that is not in his individual self-interest. individual self-interest is all that matters

regulation gets in the way of businesses succeeding and makes capitalism not work. we shouldn't regulate wrongdoing out of existence - the market will react and put evildoing companies out of business. it's ok if 371 people die due to eating salmonella infected peanuts because AFTER those people die, people will boycott the brand!

We could have stopped those people from dying but that would have hurt Planters' sales and really when it boils down to it, aren't 371 lives worth it?

also the Holocaust never happened.

People want the government to be run like a business, so that after a few years they can be surprised by a FOR LEASE sign on City Hall, and no idea what it might turn into next.

Maybe it will be a new coffee place, or a hair salon!

All white grievance is legitimate, especially hopelessness in the face of poverty

except for the four gospels, the judeo-christian bible is the literal word of god, bro

All white grievance is legitimate, especially hopelessness in the face of poverty

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, March 7, 2017 4:20 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ignoring suffering because of classism and identity politics is part of why we're here. People like you have blood on your hands... POC die because of attitudes like yours, which, on the surface, tries to celebrate them. But it's not out of concern for the lives of POC, but for your own narcissism and privilege, which you then flip on others less fortunate than yourself.

Liberalism and conservatism is the same side of the same coin at this point. Is it any wonder why we are where we are?

what would we do without you, larry

have you heard of this guy, jim goad? I think his books would grab you

Well, there was a reason I worked with an Obama appointee, you low-level bureaucratic waste. My ideas make sense and work, they're just not in vogue right now, because of snot wipes like you who want to sip glasses of wine while people suffer and die.

The funniest part of your schtick is that everything I've posted to this thread is either me actually linking to and quoting John Scalzi and the rest is ripped off from Ta-Nehisi Coates - I haven't expressed a single original opinion worth lashing out at. But you man, you got the solutions that make sense, and work!

beef is when I see you
guaranteed to be in ICU

but you won't have healthcare

All conservatism is the rationalization and preservation of privilege.

fucking otm. all hoarding and no empathy. fuck you, got mine. what's that, an oppressed category of people wants equal treatment? get the fuck off my lawn. if you need quotas, that just means you females/non-whites/whatever are simply terrible at what you do. let the free market do its job because the free market is faultless*.

* at preserving old-timey privilege

this is the angriest i've ever been this early in a thread

anger is an energy. it's cool to frack oklahoma into earthquake hell, because profit

the united states is a republic, not a democracy

That one I've honestly never been able to figure out. It's a non sequitur beyond the rest

Democrats fancy themselves civil rights pioneers but it was REPUBLICANS who freed the slaves we are just like that 19th century party

as Martin Luther King famously said, people should be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character

and MLK was a Republican after all!

My ideas make sense and work, they're just not in vogue right now, because of snot wipes like you who want to sip glasses of wine while people suffer and die.

― larry appleton, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 04:39 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Moonlight swine leap whiff off this one

which ideology is against water fluoridation now?

fluoridation is how the govmint gives you gay mind control cancer, keep up

My ideas make sense and work, they're just not in vogue right now, because of snot wipes like you who want to sip glasses of wine while people suffer and die.

posts that effortlessly etc

maybe start a thread for recommending a good wine to accompany people suffering and dying

Egoism is real, altruism is not. Hence, running a state by egoists’ rules - “like a business,” if you will - is the only sensible option. If the state then falls apart, it’s not because a democracy is inherently altruistic, but because the state is broken and needs to be abolished.

Right, the only motivating factor you can count on is that everyone wants to get rich. EVERYONE. We all like money right guys? Also, everyone cheats, come on.

who among us would not rather have the opportunity, however small, to live beyond the dreams of Croesus rather than to bumble along with our needs generally satisfied but no prospect of rubbing anybody else's nose in it?

tucking your shirt into your jeans is a timeless look

brb I'm off to find a conservative board with a thread explaining liberals and the staggering insights therein

Bow-ties are a legitimate fashion choice

MANY YEARS AGO PRINCE DARKNESS "GANNON" STOLE ONE OF THE TRIFORCE WITH POWER.

That does explain a lot. And the triforce of wisdom being in eight pieces is why the left is so hopeless.

lol @ larry appleton / Tombot guvmint dill-weed beef

have you guys ever considered that conservatism has ideological appeal to its adherents, rather than something dismissive like "the rationalization and preservation of privilege" (what about the millions of non-privileged people who are conservatives? don't say false consciousness!) or "individual self-interest is all that matters"?

I considered, then dismissed it.

Most problems can be pretty easily explained through racism and false consciousness.

Go for it flopson I'm all ears

it seems to me that the US left should maybe have more humility than this CONSERVATARDS WANT THEIR KID TO DRINK POISON WATER LOL attitude that has dominated the discourse since at least gwb... like, we went from being just shy of permanent consensus social democracy in the early sixties, then fucked it up and have sucked for 4 decades, and now say things like 'demographics will save us' or 'we just needed a better candidate'. maybe there is something about conservative ideology that motivates people that the left lacks and we could be more modest? idk

What about Nobel Prize-winning intellectuals like Friedman or Hayek? xp to Frederik

nothing can be explained by false consciousness because it's a tautology and not an explanation: 'you're wrong because your consciousness is wrong'

consider religious tribalism as something other than privilege that motivates conservatives to vote consistently for candidates that promise to restrict access to abortion limit rights for lgbtq people

The existence of non-white conservatives isn't really an argument against conservativism as, at its core, a preservation of (mostly male & mostly wealthy) white privilege. Even those who aren't among the largest beneficiaries of privilege may have a vested interest in keeping the boat from rocking. Consider the relatively well-off African American conservatives in the post-Reconstruction south who resisted integration. They were still basically second class citizens but they were secure enough within a relatively privileged bubble that they had reason to help maintain white hegemony.

i just don't think you would be able to find a conservative who says "i want to rationalize and perserve privilge" so despite our amazing collective abilities as psychoanalysts maybe that's not a good ways to understand its appeal

I don’t know one of the guys looks swarthy.

hey be fair, he probably caught a tan working

nothing says multi-ethnic and working class like the name oren cass

Cass received a B.A. in political economy from Williams College,[5] and was then hired as an associate consultant at Bain & Company.[1] After working at Bain for several years in the firm's offices in Boston and New Delhi,[5] Cass "took a six-month leave to work on Mitt Romney's 2008 campaign for the Republican presidential nomination".[1] Cass then enrolled in Harvard Law School "to deepen his understanding of public policy", stating of the experience that "law school is a lot of fun if you’re not there to be a lawyer".[1] Cass "caught the attention of Romney's staff while still in law school and was tapped as domestic policy adviser for the candidate's presidential campaign in 2011":[2][1][5]

He worked for the next Romney operation in 2011 between his second and third years at Harvard, and ended up with so much in his portfolio that at the end of the summer "they sort of said, well, you have to stay". He became domestic-policy director while still in law school.[1]

Following the 2012 election, Cass returned to Bain, where he became a manager, but also "started writing on environmental and labor policy for National Review.[1] Senator Marco Rubio credited Cass for the poverty-fighting plan Rubio released in 2014.[2][6] From this work, he was brought on as a senior fellow of the Manhattan Institute in 2015. Also in 2015, Politico named Cass number 35 on its list of the top 50 "thinkers, doers and visionaries transforming American politics in 2015".[2]

Working class AF

FREE TRUMP MONEY GOOOOOOD

FREE BIDEN MONEY BAAAAAAD

First, this statement from the mayor of Colorado City, TX, pop. 4000:

https://i.imgur.com/3aQXkjH.jpg

Followed by this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tim-boyd-texas-resigns-storm-power-colorado-city-b1803462.html

And, lastly, this thread about survivalist cosplaying:

so my eldest brother, who is a moron, has been playing soldier with his moron friends in the deserts of texas for the last year preparing for the collapse of civilization if biden won (lol). they were burying food and ammo stashes out in the desert, running drills, crazy stuff

— Jean-Michel Connard (@torriangray) February 16, 2021

That thing about not having a can opener is pretty fucking funny

It's like the Twilight Zone episode where the guy finally has time to read but breaks his glasses

a gas fire pit is so not survivalist

Let me hurt some feelings while I have a minute!!

omg that is amazing

Tempted to change my dn to ‘sitting there shivering, ranting about libs while he sucks down cold beefaroni’.

"the weak will parish" - Nietzsche

Dude. I'm not to any degree a survivalist but I was a cub scout so I'm pretty sure I'm one up on these dorks. If you're a self-proclaimed survivalist and don't know how to make a goddamn fire you deserve to eat garbage, sorry that's just how I feel.

Also another facet of conservatism seen over the past several days wrt the GOP senators who voted to convict Trump: if you shift half a degree out of lockstep with your compatriots, prepare to be eaten alive by your compatriots.

(But only if they know how to make a fire, so you might not have much to worry about.)

Let me hurt some feelings while I have a minute!!

― superdeep borehole (harbl), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 14:56 (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i used to think there was only one republican commandment: "let the big dogs eat" but i think this one must now surely qualify as the new testament

i just can't get over not having a non-electric can opener in the house

It's... it's cold outside there, right? Why is the food in his refrigerator still in his refrigerator, going bad, when he could put it in a bucket outside?

— artsyhonker/Kathryn (@artsyhonker) February 16, 2021

so a philosopher, an economist and a survivalist wash up on a desert island

I have this little credit card-sized metal multitool thing in my wallet which I just confirmed has a rudimentary can opener so I am more prepared for survival just sitting on my ass than some weekend warrior doomsday preppers are.

It's pretty wild these survivalist have nothing like that or maybe a Swiss army knife

is everybody's brain broken?

if it goes bad you cant just put it in the snow after and make it go "unbad." they would have had to have unloaded the whole fridge and dumped it outside as soon as the power went out.

— sli me :o) (@ssslimeslime) February 17, 2021

I refuse to delve into it with these people but I will note that for produce and things that don't freeze well, putting them outside may not be an option but if your house is 40 degrees you could just...leave the fridge door open?

It does get weird when your fridge is WARMER than the air outside and things in the fridge start to freeze.

I think some fridges that aren't well insulated heated up before indoor temps dropped enough.

If you are a so-called survivalist and don't carry a P38 or know where yours are located at any given time, then you are not a survivalist, but a conservative suburban asshole with too much money and too many guns.

Like, I keep one in the car, one in the bear box, and one in my hiking pack. It's truly an indispensable tool.

A pity twasnt the likes of them found pandoras box all the same

🧐 pic.twitter.com/Ey2oghZ1Fv

— Alisha 💜🤘🧀🌊 (@cptnwtrpnts) February 20, 2021

why are all these homos lubricating my rifle?

wait what does that mean

surely that is "tears" 'shopped, right?

because

You help a guy out one time and he has to go and advertise it on a t-shirt, sheesh

Ass Rim 15

lower-case “l” i’m assuming. like he just uses a LOT of cum.

Jonny Edgelord rides pic.twitter.com/tLCS6hheEX

— J.A.K. (@JasonAdamK) March 15, 2021

Sums it up, really.

wokemon be warned, lol

even more succinctly:

oh so i can't be racist but the tv can play wet ass pussy

— mark (@kept_simple) March 16, 2021

If 4o years from now, Cardi decides the song was a bit too much and stops selling it....will these same people bitch?!

A+

lol at ppl who think there'll be a planet 40 years from now

Planet yes.

People, though...