the alt-right

my impression is that white supremacists in 2017 aren't so discriminating about which european nations constitute "white"? obv that hasn't always been true.

Wasn't there images of a dating profile of a guy saying which groups of white were okay for him?

Circulating recently.

interesting. i'd like to see that. i think part of what happened regarding the whitening of the US (which many writers including Brodkin have noted occurred primarily in a context of a racial dichotomy) is that as these various ethnic groups became acculturated into whiteness they also lost their sense of individuated ethnic heritage. sure you have irish descendants and italian descendants who take their ethnic background somewhat seriously (ime much less so in the case of german descendants) but even then it's within this non-differentiated context of just blanket "european descent" (esp since anything more specific would probably start to exclude the whiteness claims of the only ppl who really take their own ethnic identities even partially serious). historically tho i think their racist forebearers would probably be disappointed to find that they give blanket supremacy to pretty much the entire continent. i was looking at this white supremacist meme twitter feed yesterday (lg&m linked to it) and some of the posts were 'celebrating' white Russia, Ukraine, Serbia, Spain, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria -- alongside more historical choices - Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. i wonder if european white supremacism is still more picky and this is all purely an american phenomenon? we're generally considered among the most historical and geographically illiterate people in the world - maybe our white supremacists would be more bigoted if they even knew what the word Slav meant?

greater awareness of ethnicity in europe has the effect of undermining the utility of whiteness and more specific taxonomies are required - linguistic/cultural groups like anglo-saxon, haplotypes, religion, rural/urban, regionalism & ofc class. this is a big generalisation but I still see whiteness as a concept as having colonial origins and don't think it's been imported v comfortably or neatly into domestic life here, in a similar way to how I only feel 'british' abroad. but I know a lot of ppl from varied backgrounds feel similarly about racial identity

This is interesting because the current story on the Gamergate thread is about a prominent gamernerd Youtube duderino (several million followers apparently? never heard of him before this) who has been retweeting Steve King despite being himself the child of Iranian immigrants. There is enormous capacity for cognitive dissonance around race if the narrative of the day suits what you need it to do emotionally and ideologically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan#In_Iranian_literature

I'm sure you know about this; Iran has a complex relationship with whiteness. A white supremacist child of Iranian immigrants is not as incongruous as other marginalized groups identifying with white supremacy (something that also happens).

Wasn't there images of a dating profile of a guy saying which groups of white were okay for him?

this dipshit?

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17309505_10154929914625638_3393493254470523270_n.jpg?oh=e34dab111fe25aff01e8a36d2db15eec&oe=596C4AF4

ancap is so funny

There is a nontrivial difference between generalized White Supremacy and tangible policies and attitudes driven by white supremacy that are directly aimed at people not only of your ethnicity, but from your family's specific country of origin. One would think that even if you are on board with white supremacy as an overall ethos, you would balk at the bits specifically designed to keep people like you from existing.

IOW this dude is like a real-life version of Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks cartoon and should be clowned for it

dude seems like a real catch

suspicious that he didn't include his height but otherwise i'm amazed he's single

he said "under 5'6"" so I think he did indirectly include his height

"Okay fine, I'm 2 inches tall."

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/donbluth/images/0/04/Thumbelina_emerging_from_the_rose.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131003011023

the master race

Related to the whole Iranians-and-Aryanism thing, I recently interviewed an Iranian black metal artist who has some thoughts...

i mean who actually types out "7.75 inch penis"

three decimal places or gtfo

Mordy, fair point. I think he was also snared by Trumpist immigration discourse, in addition to King's noxious miscegenation/race-purity garbage but I can't even bring myself to reread the information on this that I skimmed last night because fuck an alt-right gamerlord.

have been wanting to make the poll choad vs pencil dick for a while now

i mean who actually types out "7.75 inch penis"

― nomar, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:49 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

more to the point, who has taken a ruler and very carefully measured their penis to two decimals

maybe use some sort of laser measure

"It's a million angstroms long!"

in the US whiteness is pretty much a game of exclusion, with people being assumed "white" unless there's something that gives away a difference. skin color, certain stereotyped facial features, accented speech, anything that breaks that code

Related to the whole Iranians-and-Aryanism thing, I recently interviewed an Iranian black metal artist who has some thoughts...

― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱)

This was really interesting to read, thanks!

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/841702887772299264

btw i read this yesterday - http://www.skepticink.com/prussian/2014/03/31/the-anti-racialist-q-a/ - and i thought it was pretty excellent. the author is v idiosyncratic and holds a lot of political views ilxors disagree w/* however maybe bc of that he is able to refute specific claims from racialists/alt-rightists w/ deliberate, thoughtful arguments. it's v similar to scott alexander faq's (on anti-nrx among others) and afaik was inspired by those so if you like those styles and want a fairly intelligent fisking of these beliefs i think it's pretty good. (* it seems like he's a climate change denialist?)

I wonder how many British white nationalists would even count Portugal as "white", let alone count Catholics as christians.

This seems more of an American thing than a British thing, I don't think even white supremacists in the UK would consider the Portuguese non-white, or Spaniards, Italians, Greeks etc. They might not like them much, of course.

They're all still Europeans, after all.

(xxp I should note he has other verboten opinions too - i think it's a valuable piece in spite of them plz don't come back w/ some quote and be like "omgod how could you say this is good," this goes double for you fred)

thought this was interesting

http://www.npr.org/2017/03/14/520087884/researchers-examine-breitbart-s-influence-on-misleading-information

might get around to mordy's link. skimmed it and i raised a brow a few times

I wonder how many British white nationalists would even count Portugal as "white", let alone count Catholics as christians.

Also British fascist dingbats do not care about Christianity.

Yet here in the real world, you defeat bad ideas through reason.

this guy is a riot

I wonder how many British white nationalists would even count Portugal as "white", let alone count Catholics as christians.

This seems more of an American thing than a British thing, I don't think even white supremacists in the UK would consider the Portuguese non-white, or Spaniards, Italians, Greeks etc. They might not like them much, of course.

― Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:21 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

chuckled at this too

it happens in latin america too. some (maybe a lot of?) south americans tend to think argentina is 'whiter' or more 'european' because of their italian past while other countries of spanish and portuguese descent are indirectly thought of as non-european. you'll get walls of text from some south americans hanging on to their 'european' complex saying how buenos aires looks more 'european' and, by extension, argentina is just more european

Spain, Greece, Italy, etc are welcomed for having kept up a thriving Fascist subculture. Polish fascists (both resident and visiting) do a lot of work with British far-right groups too.

How widespread is this Persian/Iranian/Zoroastrian return to glory idea? That black metal guy talks a lot like the guy I know but less extreme.

The thing that I remember seeing recently about excluding more and more identities from whiteness was someone disparaging Russians and Slavic ppl like "Shut up, you're not even WITE." So I mean who gets to be wite now? I guess...Swedes and Danes and Englanders but only if you can trace your genetic heritage to a Viking raider?

I mean I get it. This is about wanting to be a Viking since you were 6 years old. No, really, I get it. Everybody has a dream. Mine was to be an Amazon. I didn't grow up to be someone who doxxed Scythians on the internet tho.

How the fuck can you defend a text that has six points called 'preliminaries'? Sometimes I really doubt your mental capabilities, Mordy...

The thing that I remember seeing recently about excluding more and more identities from whiteness was someone disparaging Russians and Slavic ppl like "Shut up, you're not even WITE." So I mean who gets to be wite now? I guess...Swedes and Danes and Englanders but only if you can trace your genetic heritage to a Viking raider?

I mean I get it. This is about wanting to be a Viking since you were 6 years old. No, really, I get it. Everybody has a dream. Mine was to be an Amazon. I didn't grow up to be someone who doxxed Scythians on the internet tho.

― the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:54 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this isn't recent. 19th century racial pseudoscience, including the dude who gave us the term caucasian to mean white people, often excluded slavs

the Nazis considered Italians and Spanish to be less industrious Aryans and Sweden/Norway as the purest Aryan group (the Germans being a southern branch of this race). Slavs and Romani were, like Jews, considered subhuman. I think some of this has to do w/ their conception of Christianity as a Jewish imposition on the Pagan races. Sweden/Norway would therefore not just have the phenotype that Nazis were obsessed w/ (the blond hair, blue eyes) but they would also be [among?] the more recent converts to Christianity in Europe and still have roots to their Pagan past. So it sorta is like wanting to be a Viking. xxp

WWII that's where nazis are vikings

"Sleep! That's where I'm a pure white person."

new thread title

Yes please! Thanks for that LOL, Dan.

Dan almost killing me with that comment and the new display name

Related to the whole Iranians-and-Aryanism thing, I recently interviewed an Iranian black metal artist who has some thoughts...

― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱)

This was really interesting to read, thanks!

― emil.y

Co-sign, this was very good, thanks.

https://twitter.com/dogdadbod/status/841626193464037377

Though I'm not sure this is good (I am sure it's just a couple of guys dicking around) - 'everyone' knows that YouTube comments are a vast cesspool, but if you see them as a battleground that you're winning then that can be empowering in not-good ways.

it'd be like someone getting clowned on ilx and saying "but I'm really popular on twitter!"

Related to the whole Iranians-and-Aryanism thing, I recently interviewed an Iranian black metal artist who has some thoughts...

― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱)

This was really interesting to read, thanks!

― emil.y

Co-sign, this was very good, thanks.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:09 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes