commendation for outstanding service to human race: resident advisor

if you want to paint yourself as some learned gatekeeper then be prepared to have the same method flipped back at you. there are probably several thousand German Ellen Allien fans who know more about dance music because they've lived it than you ever will.

what gives you the right to say you "know about dance music" above and beyond a fan of artist x/y/z? nothing...it's just elitist nonsense. I don't even like Ellen Allien as I mentioned above but it has to be pointed out. You actually have enough of a brain not to spout this rubbish either.

again, some jingoistic and elitist nonsense from you.

and what the fuck does 'living' dance music mean? if it means what i think you think it means, i'm glad that i don't live it. and even beyond that, who the fuck are you to say that i don't live it? you don't know anything about me.

finally, it seems you can't read: i wasn't really criticising Ellen Allien OR people who don't know much about dance music, though that is the way it came out. her sound and her structures are undeniably more poppy than many other producers considered in the same league. a lot of people that i know who aren't really into dance music quite like and actively listen to Ellen Allien (along with a couple other bigger names).

and that isn't a judgment on them, is really what i mean. it is just fact.

yes but you said what you said and people responded thusly. easy to climb down afterwards. you don't seem to enjoy someone else casting aspersions on who you are/what you know based on an arbitrary piece of info so maybe in future you might give other people a bit more credit.

i've no desire to get in a slanging match as i'm mostly playing devils advocate, i think the whole idea of someone "knowing more" is idiotic. music is not a competition. if someone likes ellen allien they do know about dance music, she has tiny sales and the vast majority of people don't know who she is. equally if someone likes whatever's top of beatport's hard house chart they know about dance music.

so to "know" about dance music someone has to conform to your defn/taste. you really are a retard.

again, never said that. just you creating some twisted version of me by casting shit on me.

only GERMAN ellen allien fans have ever really LIVED IT, guyz.

and this comes after someone stating that people in europe are so much less obnoxious than americans?

for real-- i don't understand how i'm the one being called retarded.

also CLARIFYING is NOT 'climbing down,' ronan.

I was playing devils advocate psychspawgle, and in any case I meant people actually making a living from techno for years and years might v well claim to know about it, it's not as though Allien is Kylie Minogue, she prob counts some people who have fairly serious claims to "knowing about dance music" above and beyond anyone on this thread as her fans (what about eg people recording for her label etc, they like ellen allien presumably). if you want to do the whole competitive thing. i already said i don't.

and that isn't a judgment on them, is really what i mean. it is just fact.

your opinion is fact? prove it.

I mean just look at the discography for Bpitch, would be hard to say all of those people know nothing about dance music.

again and again you completely misinterpret what i'm saying-- i never said ANYTHING evil or bad about BPitch, its artists, or Ellen Allien. i really enjoy ellen allien's work, actually. what i was saying, and will say again, is that Allien's work has some more mainstream cachet, mostly with people who aren't necessarily as embroiled in the dance music world as anyone on this thread. this is not a judgment-- pipecock might have made it seem like one, but it isn't. only YOU are making it into something it isn't.

finally, don't fucking dis on Kylie Minogue. she's awesome.

I was actually just thinking yesterday about how even some serious technophobes I've known have loved Ellen Allien and Apparat.

To be fair you said: i guess that i never really saw Ellen Allien as anything but a populist and a favorite, especially among people who know little about dance music.

I think most people who were subject to such a statement would see it as a judgement, even if you claim it isn't. Who would like to be told they "know little" about dance music because they like act x? And to be fair there are so many levels of strawman above Ellen Allien, I mean she at least is a DJ and is connected to lots of good stuff.

Anyway I apologise for attacking you here (I don't specifically pick on you, I just genuinely often disagree with you) but it is just your opinion, not a fact, that was what really got me.

ANYWAY so what about that bill brewster, eh?

up there with the disco bloodbath and linkwood/house of traps as my favorites of these so far this year

The Bill Brewster one is totally enjoyable.

hey, this weekend is a bank holiday!

hope you die!

tx

going out for a death now, enjoy yourselves guys

poor ronan, mainstream indie mnml too loud on the iphone headphones too loud to hear the approaching bus

"in the end the irony was the music was not minimal enough for him to hear that bus"

nice knowing you.

actually kind of scared now

when i used to work in a bank we didn't get bank holidays off. it was lame. i didn't die tho.

OMG MOONSTARR!

Definitely wasn't expecting to see this! Downloading now ...

somebody might have mentioned this but that Linkwood podcast is sick!

actually talking of the bank holiday I see Tobi Neumann has replaced Onur Ozer at secretsundaze next bank holiday weekend because of work visa issues again. I don't think I can go out that weekend though:/

Steffi and DJ Qu soon tho!

Jus Ed at secretsundaze last summer

not sure i "get" this one but beat happening into "in the city" was lulz

louderbach's is brilliant

Levon Vincent is excellent.

took me forever to come around to listening to it, but that surgeon mix is as good as everyone said it was months back

so, people are wigging out about this levon vincent mix ... hmmm, i'm going to use it as my next workout mix and get back to you

BTW i lost all of my podcasts when my hard disk crashed, except the ones i'd burned to disc, which were

joakim
alexander robotnick
four tet
laurent garnier
mark e
linkwood

with this as a snapshot of my taste, which ones should i go back and download?

on another note, is anyone else frustrated with the RA 160kbps standard? i don't wanna be a churl cuz it's a pretty amazing service, what with all these free mixes which are frequently better or more interesting than commercial ones, but...it still sounds suboptimal :(

And now it's down to 128...

levon vincent and giles smith both vv good

also can't believe they're LOWERING the sound quality. who knew we were lucky to have 160 kbps?

There is (was) kind of a heated debate on RA about it.

Randomly came across the Ame one.

Reposting in case anyone's interested.

Listening to, and really liking, the nsi. podcast right now. Funny reading all the people bitching about it in the comments.

whats the deal

i think its from some sound engineers at a planetarium? like some birth of the cosmos shit? i couldnt even make it through the whole thing tho

i had forgotten id saved the four tet mix on my ipod and was listening to it again - crazy good

xp to vahid

riton and redshape both have had staying power round my place

and more recently, marco passarani

New Pisco Sour mix is great, Dandy Jack and Butane collab as far a I know.

Reminds me a lot of Mariel Ito/Maetrik, or Lusine only very fun and summery.

I really like this nsi. mix.

good work ms fitz!

holy shit THE REVENGE

no seriously, this is like everything good about roman flugel's recent HIAF mix x 1000

no seriously

yes this revenge mix is fantastic

<3