Reese and Nicole and Laura and Audrey and Elvis: Thread for BIG LITTLE LIES on HBO

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Good interview here with the director on the final episode
http://www.vulture.com/2017/04/big-little-lies-director-jean-marc-vallee-on-the-finale.html

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Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:33 (two years ago) link

Okay, the praise here and the revelation of Zoe Kravitz's involvement might be enough for me to overcome the side-eye I've been giving to the previews for that show with Shailene Woodley in a central role. Laura Dern's presence should've been enough, though, I guess.

Break the meat into the pineapples and pat them (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:34 (two years ago) link

2. Monterey scenery-porn holy crap so gorgeous
right! almost makes me feel like I could live there but every time i've been there in person I get a strange feeling i'd go mad there after i few months.anyways...

I enjoyed the show a lot. the acting was good all around even Kidman who I don't usually care for had me really buying into her character's situation.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:39 (two years ago) link

right! almost makes me feel like I could live there but every time i've been there in person I get a strange feeling i'd go mad there after i few months.anyways...

Huh -- very curious as to why you felt that way! (As mentioned on the other thread where this was discussed, it's where my parents live and my dad grew up -- Carmel rather than Monterey specifically, though, but hey, just on the other side of the peninsula -- and I've always loved the area ever since I was a kid.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:42 (two years ago) link

I've spent a good amount of time up there visiting friends and i can't pin it down other than strange restlessness that comes over before too long .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:47 (two years ago) link

I couldn't make it through the first episode. parents don't talk like this.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:49 (two years ago) link

feel like I've eaten a mediocre crepe at the coffee place they all hang out at, though it was redone for shooting this? Monterey sure is beautiful as shot in this. I wish I'd spent more time exploring and less time in cannery row when I was there.

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:50 (two years ago) link

extremely wealthy and attractive parents might talk like this, I don't know

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:50 (two years ago) link

I would and they don't. And the "Greek chorus" stuff is ridiculous, every rando parent having in-depth opinions about the psychological make-up of others etc. gtfo

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:51 (two years ago) link

oh would you now

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:53 (two years ago) link

I am a parent in one of the wealthiest cities in the country and deal with rich helicopter parents all the time so yes.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:54 (two years ago) link

when the teacher made Amabelle point out her strangler in front of ALL THE KIDS and ALL THE PARENTS

and THIS scene! ugh gtfo that teacher would be fired immediately

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:55 (two years ago) link

seems like the becomes wealthy and stays in the city crowd would be different from the becomes wealthy and moves to monterey, cambria, etc. crowd

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:55 (two years ago) link

Mentioned this on the other thread, but it's less of a 'moves there' crowd than a 'commutes there on the weekend' crowd. Trust me, I know.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (two years ago) link

Shakes, I really encourage you to try and watch it all the way through. It's so much richer than it seems at first watch

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (two years ago) link

drifting into strawman territory here. how about wealthy parents in Marin, I know those people too

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (two years ago) link

hell, just watch the first 10 minutes of the final episode

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:58 (two years ago) link

haha I thought of including Marin but thought you probably had a better chance of knowing someone from there. I just don't know how you always extrapolate such distances from your own experience, and so frequently into works of fiction, and manage to enjoy anything ever.

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 19:00 (two years ago) link

hey shakey it's cool you superficially engaged with the first episode of this show and all. your opinions are noted.

the last episode of this was just gripping.

honestly, i feel that this show was amazingly thought out and structured, to the point where i think the early episodes purposefully cast all these people as the cardboard cutout stereotypes you're prepared to hate watch then slowly unfurls so much emotional and psychological depth.

i think it's the only time i ever felt like a therapy session in a show or movie felt really authentic to me.

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:05 (two years ago) link

was really cool to see kidman be so good again, i'd kind of forgotten how good she could be

really the whole cast was great\

<3 little ziggy

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:05 (two years ago) link

My partner is a 2ndary school teacher and was *fuming* during those scenes and basically praying the teacher would be the murder victim

She teaches at a helicoptery place in the UK and found the parents quite realistic

How fucking awful that Laura gets stuck with that asshole st the end though

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 April 2017 19:08 (two years ago) link

Ums otm - they set everyone up as stereotypes so that they can shade them in more meaningfully as individuals as the story unfolds

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:20 (two years ago) link

and yeah, the therapy scenes are so good. Y'all caught that the therapist is Robin Weigert aka Calamity Jane from Deadwood? I love her. She was great in Sons of Anarchy too. But I loved how direct but sensitive and compassionate she was as a therapist. And Kidman played those scenes so well.

props to Skarsgard too. I was a fan of him as eyecandy because he's so goddamn gorgeous, but I don't know that I've seen him play anything this layered and complicated before. Just goes to show how good material brings everyone to the party.

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:57 (two years ago) link

Y'all caught that the therapist is Robin Weigert aka Calamity Jane from Deadwood?

i know! that was nuts, it was driving me crazy who she was the whole time, my wife told me this morning...just the characters are so different she's so buttoned up and rational in this role

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 20:27 (two years ago) link

yeah it makes you appreciate what she had to do vocally and even physically to get to Calamity as a character

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 21:00 (two years ago) link

omg I remember looking her up after Deadwood to see if I'd seen her in anything else. This was the first one, and I didn't even notice that it's her!

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 22:00 (two years ago) link

On episode 5, this show is also really funny in its breakdown of human behaviour

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Sunday, 9 April 2017 20:48 (two years ago) link

This was a really solid show

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 10 April 2017 20:44 (two years ago) link

i get why some people didn't like this; I got 'i'm not interested in privileged white people' a number of times. but I still thought it was good. things aren't bad just because they're about rich white people. fuck.

akm, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 00:02 (two years ago) link

anyone else think the soundtrack was like a boomer's dream come true? Mostly filtered through Chloe as well, which made me laugh..

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 00:15 (two years ago) link

that hurts, I'm only 40 ;_;

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 03:02 (two years ago) link

Ah VG, you're so awesome

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:55 (two years ago) link

A lot of it was still boomer music though

It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:42 (two years ago) link

A couple of things:

Had Perry and Jane met before the fundraiser (besides the rape, of course)? I cant remember.

Also I was partly convinced the whole time that ed was going to be the killer. Just with the staring at Madeleine's oldest daughter then the quick looks away and whatnot. Seemed like something was going on there.

It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:53 (two years ago) link

Also: Ziggy ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:55 (two years ago) link

Yeah I totally expected Ed to end up schtupping the stepdaughter, there were a lot of weird lingering looks & furtive glances between them

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:10 (two years ago) link

Don't think Perry and Jane met before the fundraiser

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:09 (two years ago) link

Has anyone read one of Liane Moriarty's books? Could def give one a go after this (I've read that it's a fairly literal adaptation)

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:10 (two years ago) link

Glad a thread was finally started for this series. I'd be lying if I said I didn't look forward to each episode of this more than anything else I've been watching for the last 2 months. Was really taking back with Kidman's performance.

Darin, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 23:52 (two years ago) link

i'm avoiding this thread but just saying I'M IN - feel sorry for nicole kidman's poor face, and for basically all the kids. really impressive how in just one episode they introduce reese witherspoon as this hateful hosebeast and by the end you just want to hug her and take her home. just finished ep 4 and i have an inchoate theory about the bullying but really no idea where this is all heading. excellent job sowing seeds of doubt and anxiety everyone, A+

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 09:48 (two years ago) link

my inchoate theory was OTM :)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 22:49 (two years ago) link

The parade of Audreys in the intro is creepy. You have those cute kids dancing and then it goes to that. Some weird backlit outdoors thing. Nicole Kidman looks mannish, showing off her adam's apple. At the end it blurs out and cuts off Perry. I wonder if it was just something they put together in a hurry, or if it was carefully planned out.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 12:54 (two years ago) link

i think it was all pretty planned out. i read they initially wrote the gala as happening inside, in a school gym, but changed it when they found that location (which is actually in LA)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:02 (two years ago) link

the parade of audreys after the kids doing the same was amazing wtf

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (two years ago) link

The credits end on the main character, cutting out before the bad guy - that seems purposeful surely?.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (two years ago) link

laura dern in partic was hypnotic in that sequence xp

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (two years ago) link

holy heck this was good

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:24 (two years ago) link

man a-list actresses get so much shit for one reason or another and then you watch reese witherspoon and nicole kidman take a tv role and realize they're just light years beyond even a decent tv actor.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:46 (two years ago) link

my takeaway is how much better roles for women are when the actresses are producers on their own shit and/or collaborate with each other to make great content

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:05 (two years ago) link

both last posts otm

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:07 (two years ago) link

I was dubious, mainly because the first season was based on a novel, and I wasn't sure how they'd extend this beyond the novel; of course HBO did exactly that with the Leftovers and it arguably improved upon itself season over season (at least in my opinion). But so far I think there's enough there to keep exploring. Not sure it would need to go beyond this one, but the aftermath of those events is worth looking at. Also Adam Scott's character shaping up to be one of the only non creeps on the show.

akm, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:44 (one month ago) link

I was so goddamned mad at their little daughter!

akm, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:45 (one month ago) link

Wow. Lotta explosions this week, and it's only episode 2.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 17 June 2019 13:54 (one month ago) link

Yeah, I have no problem with the way they're continuing the story, particularly since Kelley & co. clearly have no intention to softpedal the potential ramifications of what came before.

Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 June 2019 23:48 (one month ago) link

I have really liked it so far

Dan S, Monday, 17 June 2019 23:59 (one month ago) link

Ugh this season is kind of Broadchurching and the dialogue isn’t just too on the nose, it’s *only* on the nose, even the nice therapist is behaving weirdly

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:38 (three weeks ago) link

Careful, now. 'Broadchuching' is quite a strong pejorative, to be used in only the most egregious instances of contempt for an audience.

I think they're doing a fine job of continuing the narrative. And this might be the role Streep was born to play (inasmuch as her performances rarely elicit much interest for me while this show has me all OMG SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU LADY every time she's onscreen and talking).

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 21:55 (three weeks ago) link

It’s Broadchurching in the sense that it’s boringly re-litigating the first season’s narrative, when I’d rather watch the same set of characters in some Wacky New Adventure. And the dialogue... everyone’s lost their mystery and talks too much.

Streep is great but her WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU-ness is bending the other characters out of wack. Hard to believe Kidman or Woodley would be so sanguine about herder so long.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:15 (three weeks ago) link

ok, 'm supposed to believe that a schoolteacher is teaching Scott's Marmion to seven-year-olds.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:06 (three weeks ago) link

Also, the writers in this have never attended a therapy session because that's not how therapists do their job. They mostly don't say anything.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:10 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve had very chatty therapists. But the bluntness is very offTM.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 00:36 (three weeks ago) link

Streep's character is so fucking awful I hope this ends with them throwing her down the stairs

the scene with Dern and the principal this past week was *maybe* the best scene of either series.

akm, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:09 (three weeks ago) link

Dern in the hospital was great, too. I appreciate that one of the greatest actresses alive is willing to play second fiddle on this show, but I'm definitely glad she's getting more to do this season.

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 13:15 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

ah, now this season makes sense

'Big Little Lies’ Season 2 Turmoil: Inside Andrea Arnold’s Loss of Creative Control

HBO and David E. Kelley took the show away from Arnold, as executive producer Jean-Mac Vallée tried to return it to his S1 style.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/big-little-lies-season-2-andrea-arnold-lost-creative-control-jean-marc-vallee-1202156884/

Number None, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:37 (two days ago) link

loved the first season, but i quit after the 4th episode this time

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:46 (two days ago) link

dont' really feel like this season is as big a mess as some people think.

akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:52 (two days ago) link

No, although the behind-the-scenes bullshit is bullshit, for sure.

I'll double down and say this is probably Streep's best role ever. I can't recall the last time I felt such visceral dislike for a character.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:55 (two days ago) link

I'm enjoying this season and Laura Dern is absolutely killing it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:57 (two days ago) link

Of course. Every scene where her character unloads on her husband has been magical.

Would like to see all of the female executive producers on this show give Kelley & Vallee a metaphorical push down the stairs if there's gonna be a season 3.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:00 (two days ago) link

She gets all the best scenes. Scene in the car this week was amazing! It was obvious hubby was fucking the hot young french nanny the second she appeared.

IMO the season has gotten better as it progressed; possibly Arnold was actually problematic or just not a good fit.

akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:02 (two days ago) link

This season is also the first time I've realized that Zoe Kravitz has some actual chops (I think I'd only ever seen her in genre stuff before this show). Everybody's tearing it up (except for Shailene Woodley, who's been okay but generally continues to elicit a big ol' 'IDGI' from me).

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:06 (two days ago) link

I like her a lot but mainly from her work in the Spectacular Now and the Descendants and not this. She had a decent scene with Streep this week.

Every week I hope they toss Streep out a window or something but doesn't look like that's going to happen.

akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:12 (two days ago) link

I can see Bonnie smothering her mother just to get caught and take the punishment.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:14 (two days ago) link

Streep's character is one of those people who makes me all like HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU'VE BEHAVED LIKE THIS INTO YOUR DOTAGE WITHOUT PEOPLE BEATING THE EVERLOVING SHIT OUT OF YOU ON A REGULAR BASIS?!?

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:16 (two days ago) link

I'm liking Woodley this season. The scene where Jane confronts Mary Louise over coffee and the scene between Jane and Ziggy in his bedroom ("he salted you") both really got to me.

The acting from all 5 of them has been great

I love this show, and am enjoying this season as much as the first. I will be sad when it ends

Dan S, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:20 (two days ago) link

Woodley is better this season than last, I'll grant you that.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:27 (two days ago) link

i catch eps of this on occasion when my gf is watching, don't really love it tbh.

seeing in the credits a director credit for the excellent andrea arnold and created/produced by that hack david e kelley seemed v incongruous to me. not surprised there was some friction

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:35 (two days ago) link

streep is the most awful character ever in this tho, brava to meryl

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:37 (two days ago) link

I was enjoying this for a while but it's ending up feeling kind of unnecessary. They're dropping threads, too - I felt like they were setting up Ed to start something with Bonnie, and then it just...faded away. But Streep deserves her own Emmy category - Most Punchable.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:42 (two days ago) link

I don't think they were intending on doing anything with Ed and Bonnie other than giving him a way to be passive aggressive towards Madeline and wind up Nathan at the same time.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:42 (two days ago) link

Also for real Ed is like the Usain Bolt of passive aggression.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:43 (two days ago) link

I am still watching s2 but I am pretty disappointed.

The behind the scenes story doesnt surprise me, the whole thing feels so off.

The writing is my main gripe though bc it feels like such a first draft story. Or very rushed. All these random outbursts in place of earned drama, everyone’s yelling & slapping & crying it resembles fkn Dynasty more than the show itself. The depth to the characters is gone & they’re just doggy paddling in a circle around the death of peter & it’s dumb as shit.

Big Little I Know What You Did Last Summer

ugh

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:06 (yesterday) link

Yeah. Even the remixed theme tune is a slow bummer

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:13 (yesterday) link

I love that song

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:14 (yesterday) link

The proper version is great - local Muswell Hill boy makes good! the S2 version loses the drums and only primes me for an hour of drear

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:19 (yesterday) link

agree the proper version is better.

maybe the writing wasn't as strong but I thought the drama this season has made sense. I have enjoyed how much more somber and emotionally dark this has been than the first season

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:21 (yesterday) link

it could be so much better tho

i mean, Laura Dern is amazing & i love seeing her character go nuclear & lose her shit, but in ~every~ scene? i dunno

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:36 (yesterday) link

lol I confess I have really enjoyed all of her scenes. to me she is the comic relief in the midst of all of the suppressed guilt and anger

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:47 (yesterday) link


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