Reese and Nicole and Laura and Audrey and Elvis: Thread for BIG LITTLE LIES on HBO

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Okay, the praise here and the revelation of Zoe Kravitz's involvement might be enough for me to overcome the side-eye I've been giving to the previews for that show with Shailene Woodley in a central role. Laura Dern's presence should've been enough, though, I guess.

Break the meat into the pineapples and pat them (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:34 (one year ago) Permalink

2. Monterey scenery-porn holy crap so gorgeous
right! almost makes me feel like I could live there but every time i've been there in person I get a strange feeling i'd go mad there after i few months.anyways...

I enjoyed the show a lot. the acting was good all around even Kidman who I don't usually care for had me really buying into her character's situation.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:39 (one year ago) Permalink

right! almost makes me feel like I could live there but every time i've been there in person I get a strange feeling i'd go mad there after i few months.anyways...

Huh -- very curious as to why you felt that way! (As mentioned on the other thread where this was discussed, it's where my parents live and my dad grew up -- Carmel rather than Monterey specifically, though, but hey, just on the other side of the peninsula -- and I've always loved the area ever since I was a kid.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I've spent a good amount of time up there visiting friends and i can't pin it down other than strange restlessness that comes over before too long .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:47 (one year ago) Permalink

I couldn't make it through the first episode. parents don't talk like this.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:49 (one year ago) Permalink

feel like I've eaten a mediocre crepe at the coffee place they all hang out at, though it was redone for shooting this? Monterey sure is beautiful as shot in this. I wish I'd spent more time exploring and less time in cannery row when I was there.

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:50 (one year ago) Permalink

extremely wealthy and attractive parents might talk like this, I don't know

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:50 (one year ago) Permalink

I would and they don't. And the "Greek chorus" stuff is ridiculous, every rando parent having in-depth opinions about the psychological make-up of others etc. gtfo

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:51 (one year ago) Permalink

oh would you now

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:53 (one year ago) Permalink

I am a parent in one of the wealthiest cities in the country and deal with rich helicopter parents all the time so yes.

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:54 (one year ago) Permalink

when the teacher made Amabelle point out her strangler in front of ALL THE KIDS and ALL THE PARENTS

and THIS scene! ugh gtfo that teacher would be fired immediately

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:55 (one year ago) Permalink

seems like the becomes wealthy and stays in the city crowd would be different from the becomes wealthy and moves to monterey, cambria, etc. crowd

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Mentioned this on the other thread, but it's less of a 'moves there' crowd than a 'commutes there on the weekend' crowd. Trust me, I know.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Shakes, I really encourage you to try and watch it all the way through. It's so much richer than it seems at first watch

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (one year ago) Permalink

drifting into strawman territory here. how about wealthy parents in Marin, I know those people too

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (one year ago) Permalink

hell, just watch the first 10 minutes of the final episode

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:58 (one year ago) Permalink

haha I thought of including Marin but thought you probably had a better chance of knowing someone from there. I just don't know how you always extrapolate such distances from your own experience, and so frequently into works of fiction, and manage to enjoy anything ever.

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 19:00 (one year ago) Permalink

hey shakey it's cool you superficially engaged with the first episode of this show and all. your opinions are noted.

the last episode of this was just gripping.

honestly, i feel that this show was amazingly thought out and structured, to the point where i think the early episodes purposefully cast all these people as the cardboard cutout stereotypes you're prepared to hate watch then slowly unfurls so much emotional and psychological depth.

i think it's the only time i ever felt like a therapy session in a show or movie felt really authentic to me.

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:05 (one year ago) Permalink

was really cool to see kidman be so good again, i'd kind of forgotten how good she could be

really the whole cast was great\

<3 little ziggy

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:05 (one year ago) Permalink

My partner is a 2ndary school teacher and was *fuming* during those scenes and basically praying the teacher would be the murder victim

She teaches at a helicoptery place in the UK and found the parents quite realistic

How fucking awful that Laura gets stuck with that asshole st the end though

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 April 2017 19:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Ums otm - they set everyone up as stereotypes so that they can shade them in more meaningfully as individuals as the story unfolds

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:20 (one year ago) Permalink

and yeah, the therapy scenes are so good. Y'all caught that the therapist is Robin Weigert aka Calamity Jane from Deadwood? I love her. She was great in Sons of Anarchy too. But I loved how direct but sensitive and compassionate she was as a therapist. And Kidman played those scenes so well.

props to Skarsgard too. I was a fan of him as eyecandy because he's so goddamn gorgeous, but I don't know that I've seen him play anything this layered and complicated before. Just goes to show how good material brings everyone to the party.

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Y'all caught that the therapist is Robin Weigert aka Calamity Jane from Deadwood?

i know! that was nuts, it was driving me crazy who she was the whole time, my wife told me this morning...just the characters are so different she's so buttoned up and rational in this role

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 20:27 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah it makes you appreciate what she had to do vocally and even physically to get to Calamity as a character

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 21:00 (one year ago) Permalink

omg I remember looking her up after Deadwood to see if I'd seen her in anything else. This was the first one, and I didn't even notice that it's her!

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 22:00 (one year ago) Permalink

On episode 5, this show is also really funny in its breakdown of human behaviour

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Sunday, 9 April 2017 20:48 (one year ago) Permalink

This was a really solid show

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 10 April 2017 20:44 (one year ago) Permalink

i get why some people didn't like this; I got 'i'm not interested in privileged white people' a number of times. but I still thought it was good. things aren't bad just because they're about rich white people. fuck.

akm, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 00:02 (one year ago) Permalink

anyone else think the soundtrack was like a boomer's dream come true? Mostly filtered through Chloe as well, which made me laugh..

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 00:15 (one year ago) Permalink

that hurts, I'm only 40 ;_;

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 03:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Ah VG, you're so awesome

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:55 (one year ago) Permalink

A lot of it was still boomer music though

It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:42 (one year ago) Permalink

A couple of things:

Had Perry and Jane met before the fundraiser (besides the rape, of course)? I cant remember.

Also I was partly convinced the whole time that ed was going to be the killer. Just with the staring at Madeleine's oldest daughter then the quick looks away and whatnot. Seemed like something was going on there.

It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Also: Ziggy ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah I totally expected Ed to end up schtupping the stepdaughter, there were a lot of weird lingering looks & furtive glances between them

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Don't think Perry and Jane met before the fundraiser

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Has anyone read one of Liane Moriarty's books? Could def give one a go after this (I've read that it's a fairly literal adaptation)

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:10 (one year ago) Permalink

Glad a thread was finally started for this series. I'd be lying if I said I didn't look forward to each episode of this more than anything else I've been watching for the last 2 months. Was really taking back with Kidman's performance.

Darin, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 23:52 (one year ago) Permalink

i'm avoiding this thread but just saying I'M IN - feel sorry for nicole kidman's poor face, and for basically all the kids. really impressive how in just one episode they introduce reese witherspoon as this hateful hosebeast and by the end you just want to hug her and take her home. just finished ep 4 and i have an inchoate theory about the bullying but really no idea where this is all heading. excellent job sowing seeds of doubt and anxiety everyone, A+

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 09:48 (one year ago) Permalink

my inchoate theory was OTM :)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 22:49 (one year ago) Permalink

The parade of Audreys in the intro is creepy. You have those cute kids dancing and then it goes to that. Some weird backlit outdoors thing. Nicole Kidman looks mannish, showing off her adam's apple. At the end it blurs out and cuts off Perry. I wonder if it was just something they put together in a hurry, or if it was carefully planned out.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 12:54 (one year ago) Permalink

i think it was all pretty planned out. i read they initially wrote the gala as happening inside, in a school gym, but changed it when they found that location (which is actually in LA)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:02 (one year ago) Permalink

the parade of audreys after the kids doing the same was amazing wtf

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (one year ago) Permalink

The credits end on the main character, cutting out before the bad guy - that seems purposeful surely?.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (one year ago) Permalink

laura dern in partic was hypnotic in that sequence xp

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (one year ago) Permalink

holy heck this was good

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:24 (one year ago) Permalink

man a-list actresses get so much shit for one reason or another and then you watch reese witherspoon and nicole kidman take a tv role and realize they're just light years beyond even a decent tv actor.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:46 (one year ago) Permalink

my takeaway is how much better roles for women are when the actresses are producers on their own shit and/or collaborate with each other to make great content

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:05 (one year ago) Permalink

both last posts otm

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:07 (one year ago) Permalink

then you watch reese witherspoon and nicole kidman take a tv role and realize they're just light years beyond even a decent tv actor.

Kidman is reliably amazing basically all of the time but some of the best performances in any medium right now come courtesy of Leftovers and Americans actors

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Great performances
I feel like I knew these characters almost too well though, like I got bored caring about Madeleine's problems (sorry Reese <3 u), maybe because I watched the whole thing in a few nights.
Great direction, little touches throughout
Less funny than I anticipated though and didn't shake the 'that kind of novel*' vibe.
Felt a bit like a beautiful distillation of mumsnet in a way. Enjoyed it enough though. My OH has been giving me the side-eye for recommending it though :/

*I don't know what you call this kind of novel, focusing on relationships/family/parenting/working mother/class issues - usually with big reveal at the end and someone innocent suffering for the good of others - but I don't think they're my thing, I usually guess the big reveal and get irritated by it. (I guessed one early on here, in part due to the extreme unlikeliness of certain roles acting in the ways depicted - and the other I found too pat.)

kinder, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:39 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

amazing to watch a series with a bone fide GOOD ENDING.

great performances. I don't have any preconceptions of Reece W but she's brilliantly, comically, subtle here. what a clever actress she is. kidman was a revelation. its just really great to watch excellent female characters and female actresses be basically the whole thing and the whole point but I agree with kinder there^ - we've had rich white women's stories a lot and i think it needed to breathe out a bit. or a lot.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 03:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Fucking great show, just finished. damn. Thought it started off real corny (the interstitials with the parents in the police station were really grating at first - also whoa, Todd Bridges)- but it went way further and into heavier terrain than I was expecting. Everyone was great in it. And yeah the ending ruled. No second season please. It was great.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 05:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

honestly, i feel that this show was amazingly thought out and structured, to the point where i think the early episodes purposefully cast all these people as the cardboard cutout stereotypes you're prepared to hate watch then slowly unfurls so much emotional and psychological depth.

Such a great observation, that is an excellent way of putting it. I watched it over 5 days, and as I watched the last couple episodes I thought about how much my perception of Reese's character especially had changed.

i think it's the only time i ever felt like a therapy session in a show or movie felt really authentic to me.

otm

flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 05:51 (eleven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

amazed this thread isn't all about the insane wig that nicole kidman wears in every scene.

plax (ico), Thursday, 25 January 2018 07:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

So I just finished binge watching this and yeah it was pretty great. Not thrilled by the idea of a second season though as it was so satisfying as a whole, and because the director of S1 won't be helming it this time. But I guess the final shot of someone watching the women on the beach through binoculars was intended to set the scene for the second season (sorry for alliteration), even though they can't have known S2 was in the bag when they included that shot.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:10 (seven months ago) Permalink

oh wait, that Vulture article explains that it was the policewoman watching them right at the end, because she suspects something's not quite right. I hadn't caught that.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

I hope the second season isn't about them being re-trialled for what happened in the first. That way lies Broadchurch madness.

Also I don't know why but my head has confused elements of Big Little Lies and Logan Lucky. I guess they both have open-endings with strangely prescient detectives going "hmmmmmm..."

I loved this but is it too late to talk about how bad the high school internet sex plot was

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 2 February 2018 10:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

i loved this too but i am starting to be tire of the thrilling, televised escapades of the extremely rich (cf McMafia)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

oh man that show is really bad compared to BLL

personally i dug the luxury porn and felt like the characters had some resemblance to people i knew, in spirit if not in wealth

also i used to live near monterey so it's beautiful nostalgia (although i guess mostly filmed in southern california?)

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 2 February 2018 11:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

i'm perpetually behind the times but i just watched all of this over the last few days. nicole kidman is just fantastic. i cried my guts out. the therapy scenes (especially the first session in episode 3) were so good that i said "this is some of the best television i have ever seen" out loud as i was watching it. i too am getting sick of extremely wealthy families and neighborhoods being the setting for so many creative works, and i'll spare everyone reading this my trite feelings on that because they've already been expressed upthread and it's a problem that many shows have, not just this one.

episode 3, though. that one just blew my mind. and somehow in the midst of all that wrenching turmoil rising to the surface, it was the "dreams" sequence in the van that tore me up more than anything. what a wonderful show.

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

wow people really love this show. i thought it was just all right! potentially i just really dislike the director

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

also, when laura dern is one of the leads and she's not the first person you think of in terms of standout performances (and she was so good! god, that part where she throws the phone in the pool and then raises her hand up to signal to her partner that she's ok...she can do no wrong), you know you are in the presence of a ridiculously good ensemble

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

the therapy scenes (especially the first session in episode 3) were so good that i said "this is some of the best television i have ever seen" out loud as i was watching it

otm this scene was absolutely extraordinary

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

i may be a total weirdo but if the entire show was just 7 hours straight of those therapy scenes i'd still be happy. i'm not sure if anyone's mentioned how good the therapist is but she goes toe-to-toe with kidman, which is saying a hell of a lot.

https://www.thecut.com/2017/03/real-life-therapists-love-the-big-little-lies-therapist.html

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

I think the fact that this wasn't all just about rich people problems helped alleviate a lot of the issues I might've otherwise had with the setting. It's mostly a very human story that could've been dropped into a different setting without losing a whole lot.

How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

i'll stop serially posting, but it's interesting that those counseling scenes weren't in the book the show is based off of - http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/big-little-lies-robin-weigert-therapy.html

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:41 (seven months ago) Permalink

Oh, that's so strange. But, yes, Robin Weigart is truly great (as anyone who's seen Deadwood can attest).

How does boy sound like? (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

yeah the actress that played the therapist was fantastic. just saw her in a sorta shitty movie last week in a very small role

flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:53 (seven months ago) Permalink

i may be a total weirdo but if the entire show was just 7 hours straight of those therapy scenes i'd still be happy

did you ever watch In Treatment?

rob, Monday, 5 February 2018 19:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

In Treatment was so fucking creepy and not in a good way.

Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:11 (seven months ago) Permalink

my mom loved that show but i could never imagine watching it, i get enough out of my own therapy

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

yeah I only watched the first season and it was years ago...I had actually forgotten about the plot which I think you're referring to as creepy.
It's too bad though, as BLL shows, it's an interesting dramatic situation that so often rings totally false when I see it dramatized.

rob, Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

Dr Melfi obviously the prime example of how it should be done.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Thursday, 8 February 2018 19:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

A friend I wouldn't expect to said he watched this, so I picked up a bootleg on the weekend. Of course the thing that caught my attention in the first episode was Babe Ruth. I'd never heard Babe Ruth in my life, but as the tiny image of the album cover flashed by on the daughter's cell phone, I did a double-take--"Is that actually what I think it is?" (I was familiar with the album cover)--and backed up. At which point I guessed correctly that that was also what I was hearing. Bizarre. A little far-fetched, maybe, but interesting.

clemenza, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 22:34 (five months ago) Permalink

Couple of episodes to go--fascinating, especially (what else) the music. I just read the second season will be directed by Andrea Arnold...excellent. And Meryl Streep will be added...not sure what to say there--could be good.

clemenza, Sunday, 1 April 2018 23:31 (five months ago) Permalink


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