Reese and Nicole and Laura and Audrey and Elvis: Thread for BIG LITTLE LIES on HBO

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Mentioned this on the other thread, but it's less of a 'moves there' crowd than a 'commutes there on the weekend' crowd. Trust me, I know.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (two years ago) link

Shakes, I really encourage you to try and watch it all the way through. It's so much richer than it seems at first watch

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (two years ago) link

drifting into strawman territory here. how about wealthy parents in Marin, I know those people too

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (two years ago) link

hell, just watch the first 10 minutes of the final episode

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:58 (two years ago) link

haha I thought of including Marin but thought you probably had a better chance of knowing someone from there. I just don't know how you always extrapolate such distances from your own experience, and so frequently into works of fiction, and manage to enjoy anything ever.

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 19:00 (two years ago) link

hey shakey it's cool you superficially engaged with the first episode of this show and all. your opinions are noted.

the last episode of this was just gripping.

honestly, i feel that this show was amazingly thought out and structured, to the point where i think the early episodes purposefully cast all these people as the cardboard cutout stereotypes you're prepared to hate watch then slowly unfurls so much emotional and psychological depth.

i think it's the only time i ever felt like a therapy session in a show or movie felt really authentic to me.

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:05 (two years ago) link

was really cool to see kidman be so good again, i'd kind of forgotten how good she could be

really the whole cast was great\

<3 little ziggy

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:05 (two years ago) link

My partner is a 2ndary school teacher and was *fuming* during those scenes and basically praying the teacher would be the murder victim

She teaches at a helicoptery place in the UK and found the parents quite realistic

How fucking awful that Laura gets stuck with that asshole st the end though

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 April 2017 19:08 (two years ago) link

Ums otm - they set everyone up as stereotypes so that they can shade them in more meaningfully as individuals as the story unfolds

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:20 (two years ago) link

and yeah, the therapy scenes are so good. Y'all caught that the therapist is Robin Weigert aka Calamity Jane from Deadwood? I love her. She was great in Sons of Anarchy too. But I loved how direct but sensitive and compassionate she was as a therapist. And Kidman played those scenes so well.

props to Skarsgard too. I was a fan of him as eyecandy because he's so goddamn gorgeous, but I don't know that I've seen him play anything this layered and complicated before. Just goes to show how good material brings everyone to the party.

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:57 (two years ago) link

Y'all caught that the therapist is Robin Weigert aka Calamity Jane from Deadwood?

i know! that was nuts, it was driving me crazy who she was the whole time, my wife told me this morning...just the characters are so different she's so buttoned up and rational in this role

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 20:27 (two years ago) link

yeah it makes you appreciate what she had to do vocally and even physically to get to Calamity as a character

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 21:00 (two years ago) link

omg I remember looking her up after Deadwood to see if I'd seen her in anything else. This was the first one, and I didn't even notice that it's her!

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 22:00 (two years ago) link

On episode 5, this show is also really funny in its breakdown of human behaviour

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Sunday, 9 April 2017 20:48 (two years ago) link

This was a really solid show

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 10 April 2017 20:44 (two years ago) link

i get why some people didn't like this; I got 'i'm not interested in privileged white people' a number of times. but I still thought it was good. things aren't bad just because they're about rich white people. fuck.

akm, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 00:02 (two years ago) link

anyone else think the soundtrack was like a boomer's dream come true? Mostly filtered through Chloe as well, which made me laugh..

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 00:15 (two years ago) link

that hurts, I'm only 40 ;_;

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 03:02 (two years ago) link

Ah VG, you're so awesome

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:55 (two years ago) link

A lot of it was still boomer music though

It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:42 (two years ago) link

A couple of things:

Had Perry and Jane met before the fundraiser (besides the rape, of course)? I cant remember.

Also I was partly convinced the whole time that ed was going to be the killer. Just with the staring at Madeleine's oldest daughter then the quick looks away and whatnot. Seemed like something was going on there.

It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:53 (two years ago) link

Also: Ziggy ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:55 (two years ago) link

Yeah I totally expected Ed to end up schtupping the stepdaughter, there were a lot of weird lingering looks & furtive glances between them

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:10 (two years ago) link

Don't think Perry and Jane met before the fundraiser

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:09 (two years ago) link

Has anyone read one of Liane Moriarty's books? Could def give one a go after this (I've read that it's a fairly literal adaptation)

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:10 (two years ago) link

Glad a thread was finally started for this series. I'd be lying if I said I didn't look forward to each episode of this more than anything else I've been watching for the last 2 months. Was really taking back with Kidman's performance.

Darin, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 23:52 (two years ago) link

i'm avoiding this thread but just saying I'M IN - feel sorry for nicole kidman's poor face, and for basically all the kids. really impressive how in just one episode they introduce reese witherspoon as this hateful hosebeast and by the end you just want to hug her and take her home. just finished ep 4 and i have an inchoate theory about the bullying but really no idea where this is all heading. excellent job sowing seeds of doubt and anxiety everyone, A+

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 09:48 (two years ago) link

my inchoate theory was OTM :)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 22:49 (two years ago) link

The parade of Audreys in the intro is creepy. You have those cute kids dancing and then it goes to that. Some weird backlit outdoors thing. Nicole Kidman looks mannish, showing off her adam's apple. At the end it blurs out and cuts off Perry. I wonder if it was just something they put together in a hurry, or if it was carefully planned out.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 12:54 (two years ago) link

i think it was all pretty planned out. i read they initially wrote the gala as happening inside, in a school gym, but changed it when they found that location (which is actually in LA)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:02 (two years ago) link

the parade of audreys after the kids doing the same was amazing wtf

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (two years ago) link

The credits end on the main character, cutting out before the bad guy - that seems purposeful surely?.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (two years ago) link

laura dern in partic was hypnotic in that sequence xp

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (two years ago) link

holy heck this was good

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:24 (two years ago) link

man a-list actresses get so much shit for one reason or another and then you watch reese witherspoon and nicole kidman take a tv role and realize they're just light years beyond even a decent tv actor.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:46 (two years ago) link

my takeaway is how much better roles for women are when the actresses are producers on their own shit and/or collaborate with each other to make great content

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:05 (two years ago) link

both last posts otm

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:07 (two years ago) link

then you watch reese witherspoon and nicole kidman take a tv role and realize they're just light years beyond even a decent tv actor.

Kidman is reliably amazing basically all of the time but some of the best performances in any medium right now come courtesy of Leftovers and Americans actors

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:19 (two years ago) link

Great performances
I feel like I knew these characters almost too well though, like I got bored caring about Madeleine's problems (sorry Reese <3 u), maybe because I watched the whole thing in a few nights.
Great direction, little touches throughout
Less funny than I anticipated though and didn't shake the 'that kind of novel*' vibe.
Felt a bit like a beautiful distillation of mumsnet in a way. Enjoyed it enough though. My OH has been giving me the side-eye for recommending it though :/

*I don't know what you call this kind of novel, focusing on relationships/family/parenting/working mother/class issues - usually with big reveal at the end and someone innocent suffering for the good of others - but I don't think they're my thing, I usually guess the big reveal and get irritated by it. (I guessed one early on here, in part due to the extreme unlikeliness of certain roles acting in the ways depicted - and the other I found too pat.)

kinder, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:39 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

amazing to watch a series with a bone fide GOOD ENDING.

great performances. I don't have any preconceptions of Reece W but she's brilliantly, comically, subtle here. what a clever actress she is. kidman was a revelation. its just really great to watch excellent female characters and female actresses be basically the whole thing and the whole point but I agree with kinder there^ - we've had rich white women's stories a lot and i think it needed to breathe out a bit. or a lot.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 03:35 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Fucking great show, just finished. damn. Thought it started off real corny (the interstitials with the parents in the police station were really grating at first - also whoa, Todd Bridges)- but it went way further and into heavier terrain than I was expecting. Everyone was great in it. And yeah the ending ruled. No second season please. It was great.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 05:34 (one year ago) link

honestly, i feel that this show was amazingly thought out and structured, to the point where i think the early episodes purposefully cast all these people as the cardboard cutout stereotypes you're prepared to hate watch then slowly unfurls so much emotional and psychological depth.

Such a great observation, that is an excellent way of putting it. I watched it over 5 days, and as I watched the last couple episodes I thought about how much my perception of Reese's character especially had changed.

i think it's the only time i ever felt like a therapy session in a show or movie felt really authentic to me.

otm

flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 05:51 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

amazed this thread isn't all about the insane wig that nicole kidman wears in every scene.

plax (ico), Thursday, 25 January 2018 07:28 (one year ago) link

So I just finished binge watching this and yeah it was pretty great. Not thrilled by the idea of a second season though as it was so satisfying as a whole, and because the director of S1 won't be helming it this time. But I guess the final shot of someone watching the women on the beach through binoculars was intended to set the scene for the second season (sorry for alliteration), even though they can't have known S2 was in the bag when they included that shot.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:10 (one year ago) link

oh wait, that Vulture article explains that it was the policewoman watching them right at the end, because she suspects something's not quite right. I hadn't caught that.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:19 (one year ago) link

I hope the second season isn't about them being re-trialled for what happened in the first. That way lies Broadchurch madness.

Also I don't know why but my head has confused elements of Big Little Lies and Logan Lucky. I guess they both have open-endings with strangely prescient detectives going "hmmmmmm..."

I loved this but is it too late to talk about how bad the high school internet sex plot was

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 2 February 2018 10:24 (one year ago) link

i loved this too but i am starting to be tire of the thrilling, televised escapades of the extremely rich (cf McMafia)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:40 (one year ago) link

oh man that show is really bad compared to BLL

personally i dug the luxury porn and felt like the characters had some resemblance to people i knew, in spirit if not in wealth

also i used to live near monterey so it's beautiful nostalgia (although i guess mostly filmed in southern california?)

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 2 February 2018 11:01 (one year ago) link

i'm perpetually behind the times but i just watched all of this over the last few days. nicole kidman is just fantastic. i cried my guts out. the therapy scenes (especially the first session in episode 3) were so good that i said "this is some of the best television i have ever seen" out loud as i was watching it. i too am getting sick of extremely wealthy families and neighborhoods being the setting for so many creative works, and i'll spare everyone reading this my trite feelings on that because they've already been expressed upthread and it's a problem that many shows have, not just this one.

episode 3, though. that one just blew my mind. and somehow in the midst of all that wrenching turmoil rising to the surface, it was the "dreams" sequence in the van that tore me up more than anything. what a wonderful show.

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:25 (one year ago) link

ah, now this season makes sense

'Big Little Lies’ Season 2 Turmoil: Inside Andrea Arnold’s Loss of Creative Control

HBO and David E. Kelley took the show away from Arnold, as executive producer Jean-Mac Vallée tried to return it to his S1 style.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/big-little-lies-season-2-andrea-arnold-lost-creative-control-jean-marc-vallee-1202156884/

Number None, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:37 (four days ago) link

loved the first season, but i quit after the 4th episode this time

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:46 (four days ago) link

dont' really feel like this season is as big a mess as some people think.

akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:52 (four days ago) link

No, although the behind-the-scenes bullshit is bullshit, for sure.

I'll double down and say this is probably Streep's best role ever. I can't recall the last time I felt such visceral dislike for a character.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:55 (four days ago) link

I'm enjoying this season and Laura Dern is absolutely killing it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:57 (four days ago) link

Of course. Every scene where her character unloads on her husband has been magical.

Would like to see all of the female executive producers on this show give Kelley & Vallee a metaphorical push down the stairs if there's gonna be a season 3.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:00 (four days ago) link

She gets all the best scenes. Scene in the car this week was amazing! It was obvious hubby was fucking the hot young french nanny the second she appeared.

IMO the season has gotten better as it progressed; possibly Arnold was actually problematic or just not a good fit.

akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:02 (four days ago) link

This season is also the first time I've realized that Zoe Kravitz has some actual chops (I think I'd only ever seen her in genre stuff before this show). Everybody's tearing it up (except for Shailene Woodley, who's been okay but generally continues to elicit a big ol' 'IDGI' from me).

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:06 (four days ago) link

I like her a lot but mainly from her work in the Spectacular Now and the Descendants and not this. She had a decent scene with Streep this week.

Every week I hope they toss Streep out a window or something but doesn't look like that's going to happen.

akm, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:12 (four days ago) link

I can see Bonnie smothering her mother just to get caught and take the punishment.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:14 (four days ago) link

Streep's character is one of those people who makes me all like HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU'VE BEHAVED LIKE THIS INTO YOUR DOTAGE WITHOUT PEOPLE BEATING THE EVERLOVING SHIT OUT OF YOU ON A REGULAR BASIS?!?

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:16 (four days ago) link

I'm liking Woodley this season. The scene where Jane confronts Mary Louise over coffee and the scene between Jane and Ziggy in his bedroom ("he salted you") both really got to me.

The acting from all 5 of them has been great

I love this show, and am enjoying this season as much as the first. I will be sad when it ends

Dan S, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:20 (four days ago) link

Woodley is better this season than last, I'll grant you that.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:27 (four days ago) link

i catch eps of this on occasion when my gf is watching, don't really love it tbh.

seeing in the credits a director credit for the excellent andrea arnold and created/produced by that hack david e kelley seemed v incongruous to me. not surprised there was some friction

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:35 (four days ago) link

streep is the most awful character ever in this tho, brava to meryl

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:37 (four days ago) link

I was enjoying this for a while but it's ending up feeling kind of unnecessary. They're dropping threads, too - I felt like they were setting up Ed to start something with Bonnie, and then it just...faded away. But Streep deserves her own Emmy category - Most Punchable.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:42 (four days ago) link

I don't think they were intending on doing anything with Ed and Bonnie other than giving him a way to be passive aggressive towards Madeline and wind up Nathan at the same time.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:42 (four days ago) link

Also for real Ed is like the Usain Bolt of passive aggression.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:43 (four days ago) link

I am still watching s2 but I am pretty disappointed.

The behind the scenes story doesnt surprise me, the whole thing feels so off.

The writing is my main gripe though bc it feels like such a first draft story. Or very rushed. All these random outbursts in place of earned drama, everyone’s yelling & slapping & crying it resembles fkn Dynasty more than the show itself. The depth to the characters is gone & they’re just doggy paddling in a circle around the death of peter & it’s dumb as shit.

Big Little I Know What You Did Last Summer

ugh

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:06 (three days ago) link

Yeah. Even the remixed theme tune is a slow bummer

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:13 (three days ago) link

I love that song

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:14 (three days ago) link

The proper version is great - local Muswell Hill boy makes good! the S2 version loses the drums and only primes me for an hour of drear

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:19 (three days ago) link

agree the proper version is better.

maybe the writing wasn't as strong but I thought the drama this season has made sense. I have enjoyed how much more somber and emotionally dark this has been than the first season

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:21 (three days ago) link

it could be so much better tho

i mean, Laura Dern is amazing & i love seeing her character go nuclear & lose her shit, but in ~every~ scene? i dunno

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:36 (three days ago) link

lol I confess I have really enjoyed all of her scenes. to me she is the comic relief in the midst of all of the suppressed guilt and anger

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:47 (three days ago) link


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