Shakes, I really encourage you to try and watch it all the way through. It's so much richer than it seems at first watch
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (two years ago) link
drifting into strawman territory here. how about wealthy parents in Marin, I know those people too
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 April 2017 18:57 (two years ago) link
hell, just watch the first 10 minutes of the final episode
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Friday, 7 April 2017 18:58 (two years ago) link
haha I thought of including Marin but thought you probably had a better chance of knowing someone from there. I just don't know how you always extrapolate such distances from your own experience, and so frequently into works of fiction, and manage to enjoy anything ever.
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 19:00 (two years ago) link
hey shakey it's cool you superficially engaged with the first episode of this show and all. your opinions are noted.
the last episode of this was just gripping.
honestly, i feel that this show was amazingly thought out and structured, to the point where i think the early episodes purposefully cast all these people as the cardboard cutout stereotypes you're prepared to hate watch then slowly unfurls so much emotional and psychological depth.
i think it's the only time i ever felt like a therapy session in a show or movie felt really authentic to me.
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:05 (two years ago) link
was really cool to see kidman be so good again, i'd kind of forgotten how good she could be
really the whole cast was great\
<3 little ziggy
My partner is a 2ndary school teacher and was *fuming* during those scenes and basically praying the teacher would be the murder victim
She teaches at a helicoptery place in the UK and found the parents quite realistic
How fucking awful that Laura gets stuck with that asshole st the end though
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 April 2017 19:08 (two years ago) link
Ums otm - they set everyone up as stereotypes so that they can shade them in more meaningfully as individuals as the story unfolds
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:20 (two years ago) link
and yeah, the therapy scenes are so good. Y'all caught that the therapist is Robin Weigert aka Calamity Jane from Deadwood? I love her. She was great in Sons of Anarchy too. But I loved how direct but sensitive and compassionate she was as a therapist. And Kidman played those scenes so well.
props to Skarsgard too. I was a fan of him as eyecandy because he's so goddamn gorgeous, but I don't know that I've seen him play anything this layered and complicated before. Just goes to show how good material brings everyone to the party.
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 19:57 (two years ago) link
Y'all caught that the therapist is Robin Weigert aka Calamity Jane from Deadwood?
i know! that was nuts, it was driving me crazy who she was the whole time, my wife told me this morning...just the characters are so different she's so buttoned up and rational in this role
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 April 2017 20:27 (two years ago) link
yeah it makes you appreciate what she had to do vocally and even physically to get to Calamity as a character
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2017 21:00 (two years ago) link
omg I remember looking her up after Deadwood to see if I'd seen her in anything else. This was the first one, and I didn't even notice that it's her!
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 7 April 2017 22:00 (two years ago) link
On episode 5, this show is also really funny in its breakdown of human behaviour
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Sunday, 9 April 2017 20:48 (two years ago) link
This was a really solid show
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 10 April 2017 20:44 (two years ago) link
i get why some people didn't like this; I got 'i'm not interested in privileged white people' a number of times. but I still thought it was good. things aren't bad just because they're about rich white people. fuck.
― akm, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 00:02 (two years ago) link
anyone else think the soundtrack was like a boomer's dream come true? Mostly filtered through Chloe as well, which made me laugh..
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 00:15 (two years ago) link
that hurts, I'm only 40 ;_;
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 03:02 (two years ago) link
Ah VG, you're so awesome
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:55 (two years ago) link
A lot of it was still boomer music though
― It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:42 (two years ago) link
A couple of things:
Had Perry and Jane met before the fundraiser (besides the rape, of course)? I cant remember.
Also I was partly convinced the whole time that ed was going to be the killer. Just with the staring at Madeleine's oldest daughter then the quick looks away and whatnot. Seemed like something was going on there.
― It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:53 (two years ago) link
Also: Ziggy ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
― It's always (sunny successor), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:55 (two years ago) link
Yeah I totally expected Ed to end up schtupping the stepdaughter, there were a lot of weird lingering looks & furtive glances between them
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:10 (two years ago) link
Don't think Perry and Jane met before the fundraiser
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:09 (two years ago) link
Has anyone read one of Liane Moriarty's books? Could def give one a go after this (I've read that it's a fairly literal adaptation)
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 20:10 (two years ago) link
Glad a thread was finally started for this series. I'd be lying if I said I didn't look forward to each episode of this more than anything else I've been watching for the last 2 months. Was really taking back with Kidman's performance.
― Darin, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 23:52 (two years ago) link
i'm avoiding this thread but just saying I'M IN - feel sorry for nicole kidman's poor face, and for basically all the kids. really impressive how in just one episode they introduce reese witherspoon as this hateful hosebeast and by the end you just want to hug her and take her home. just finished ep 4 and i have an inchoate theory about the bullying but really no idea where this is all heading. excellent job sowing seeds of doubt and anxiety everyone, A+
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 09:48 (two years ago) link
my inchoate theory was OTM :)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 22:49 (two years ago) link
The parade of Audreys in the intro is creepy. You have those cute kids dancing and then it goes to that. Some weird backlit outdoors thing. Nicole Kidman looks mannish, showing off her adam's apple. At the end it blurs out and cuts off Perry. I wonder if it was just something they put together in a hurry, or if it was carefully planned out.
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 12:54 (two years ago) link
i think it was all pretty planned out. i read they initially wrote the gala as happening inside, in a school gym, but changed it when they found that location (which is actually in LA)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:02 (two years ago) link
the parade of audreys after the kids doing the same was amazing wtf
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (two years ago) link
The credits end on the main character, cutting out before the bad guy - that seems purposeful surely?.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 13:22 (two years ago) link
laura dern in partic was hypnotic in that sequence xp
holy heck this was good
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:24 (two years ago) link
man a-list actresses get so much shit for one reason or another and then you watch reese witherspoon and nicole kidman take a tv role and realize they're just light years beyond even a decent tv actor.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:46 (two years ago) link
my takeaway is how much better roles for women are when the actresses are producers on their own shit and/or collaborate with each other to make great content
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:05 (two years ago) link
both last posts otm
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:07 (two years ago) link
then you watch reese witherspoon and nicole kidman take a tv role and realize they're just light years beyond even a decent tv actor.
Kidman is reliably amazing basically all of the time but some of the best performances in any medium right now come courtesy of Leftovers and Americans actors
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:19 (two years ago) link
Great performancesI feel like I knew these characters almost too well though, like I got bored caring about Madeleine's problems (sorry Reese <3 u), maybe because I watched the whole thing in a few nights. Great direction, little touches throughoutLess funny than I anticipated though and didn't shake the 'that kind of novel*' vibe.Felt a bit like a beautiful distillation of mumsnet in a way. Enjoyed it enough though. My OH has been giving me the side-eye for recommending it though :/
*I don't know what you call this kind of novel, focusing on relationships/family/parenting/working mother/class issues - usually with big reveal at the end and someone innocent suffering for the good of others - but I don't think they're my thing, I usually guess the big reveal and get irritated by it. (I guessed one early on here, in part due to the extreme unlikeliness of certain roles acting in the ways depicted - and the other I found too pat.)
― kinder, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:39 (two years ago) link
amazing to watch a series with a bone fide GOOD ENDING.
great performances. I don't have any preconceptions of Reece W but she's brilliantly, comically, subtle here. what a clever actress she is. kidman was a revelation. its just really great to watch excellent female characters and female actresses be basically the whole thing and the whole point but I agree with kinder there^ - we've had rich white women's stories a lot and i think it needed to breathe out a bit. or a lot.
― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 03:35 (two years ago) link
Fucking great show, just finished. damn. Thought it started off real corny (the interstitials with the parents in the police station were really grating at first - also whoa, Todd Bridges)- but it went way further and into heavier terrain than I was expecting. Everyone was great in it. And yeah the ending ruled. No second season please. It was great.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 05:34 (one year ago) link
Such a great observation, that is an excellent way of putting it. I watched it over 5 days, and as I watched the last couple episodes I thought about how much my perception of Reese's character especially had changed.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 05:51 (one year ago) link
― Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:20 (one year ago) link
amazed this thread isn't all about the insane wig that nicole kidman wears in every scene.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 25 January 2018 07:28 (one year ago) link
So I just finished binge watching this and yeah it was pretty great. Not thrilled by the idea of a second season though as it was so satisfying as a whole, and because the director of S1 won't be helming it this time. But I guess the final shot of someone watching the women on the beach through binoculars was intended to set the scene for the second season (sorry for alliteration), even though they can't have known S2 was in the bag when they included that shot.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:10 (one year ago) link
oh wait, that Vulture article explains that it was the policewoman watching them right at the end, because she suspects something's not quite right. I hadn't caught that.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:19 (one year ago) link
I hope the second season isn't about them being re-trialled for what happened in the first. That way lies Broadchurch madness.
Also I don't know why but my head has confused elements of Big Little Lies and Logan Lucky. I guess they both have open-endings with strangely prescient detectives going "hmmmmmm..."
I loved this but is it too late to talk about how bad the high school internet sex plot was
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 2 February 2018 10:24 (one year ago) link
i loved this too but i am starting to be tire of the thrilling, televised escapades of the extremely rich (cf McMafia)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 February 2018 10:40 (one year ago) link
oh man that show is really bad compared to BLL
personally i dug the luxury porn and felt like the characters had some resemblance to people i knew, in spirit if not in wealth
also i used to live near monterey so it's beautiful nostalgia (although i guess mostly filmed in southern california?)
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 2 February 2018 11:01 (one year ago) link
i'm perpetually behind the times but i just watched all of this over the last few days. nicole kidman is just fantastic. i cried my guts out. the therapy scenes (especially the first session in episode 3) were so good that i said "this is some of the best television i have ever seen" out loud as i was watching it. i too am getting sick of extremely wealthy families and neighborhoods being the setting for so many creative works, and i'll spare everyone reading this my trite feelings on that because they've already been expressed upthread and it's a problem that many shows have, not just this one.
episode 3, though. that one just blew my mind. and somehow in the midst of all that wrenching turmoil rising to the surface, it was the "dreams" sequence in the van that tore me up more than anything. what a wonderful show.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 5 February 2018 17:25 (one year ago) link
wow people really love this show. i thought it was just all right! potentially i just really dislike the director
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 5 February 2018 17:27 (one year ago) link
Yeah, this deflated really badly. I didn't want a second season and I am actively against the idea of a third.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 22 July 2019 13:52 (two months ago) link
i liked some of this season (ok maybe only meryl) but the finale was pretty bad
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 02:14 (two months ago) link
yep. shit loads of stuff dropped; what exactly are we to think of the non-stop Bonnie drowning scenes? Was that just supposed to be metaphor? if it was it was dumb, and if it was meant to foreshadow anything it didn't work either.
if this show comes back it should star ONLY Laura Dern yelling at people.
― akm, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 02:17 (two months ago) link
david e. kelley gonna david e. kelley
― adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 05:28 (two months ago) link
The euthanasia plot really took care of itself huh. And that judge really allowed herself to be interrupted for some monologues
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 07:33 (two months ago) link
The vow renewal was odd. It didn't seem like the show was suggesting we view it cynically, since it was presented as lovely and uplifting, yet the audience knows it's something of a fraud because Madeline never came clean to Ed about the cover up.
Except for popping up in the background of a few scenes, the detective didn't seem to really be still investigating at all. I thought that Mary Louis lash out in defeat by dropping some sort of new information with the detective rather than just slink away.
― blatherskite, Monday, 29 July 2019 18:38 (two months ago) link
honestly this show is just bad
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:43 (two months ago) link
I assumed that Madeline came clean to Ed offscreen. I mean you figure her confession to the police would probably get back to him.
― my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:45 (two months ago) link
The show wasn't mindblowing but my expectations were tempered from go and it was fine.
Y'all need to maybe see some legitimately bad tv or something, I think.
― my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:46 (two months ago) link
she didn't confess to the police?
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:46 (two months ago) link
― my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 July 2019 18:51 (two months ago) link
I wasn't clear whether she did confess or just went with Bonnie out of solidarity or something. (Like, does that mean Celeste also came clean? Even though she just fought a big battle to keep her kids?) I figured they would have shown Madeline talking to Ed about it, since it seemed like a big conversation to have considering their whole plot was about trust, and that Ed would not have been particularly receptive to "So, I know you gave me all those chances to come clean, but let me slip one last thing in here..."
― blatherskite, Monday, 29 July 2019 18:57 (two months ago) link
bonnie didn't go with madeline to the police station?
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 July 2019 19:06 (two months ago) link
i mean the other way around
like the text she sends "hey guys I'm confessing" happens at the time the ceremony is happening?
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 July 2019 19:07 (two months ago) link
just seemed like a straight bit of dramatic irony "oh things are all happy and great with everyone (apart from bonnie)" oh no here comes this news to undercut it for all of them
didn't seem to me like things were happy and great for everyone, despite the resolution of some story lines. I thought the final scene of them going to the police station together to confess was the absolutely necessary ending, they needed to put all of the lies and related misery to rest
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:54 (two months ago) link
yeah these bitches needed to go to jail for killing that upstanding young man
― akm, Saturday, 10 August 2019 17:36 (two months ago) link
― Number None, Saturday, 10 August 2019 18:33 (two months ago) link
Won't read anything till I get through the rest, but I thought the first two episodes were fine--although I died a little when "Down by the River" was cut short after 30 seconds at the precise moment the volume should have been turned up.
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:38 (two months ago) link
Two episodes left. Streep is so creepy (Streepy?)--and definitely, at least in part, based on Kael.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 August 2019 21:32 (two months ago) link
I liked most all of the second season. The finale for me was probably the weakest episode--not terrible, but a little pat in spots, and Dern with the baseball bat seemed redundant (her rage had been made quite clear by that point). Kidman is such a great actress sometimes. Streep, Dern, Witherspoon, even Adam Scott I'd say, all excellent. Somebody posted something earlier about Arnold having control taken away from her...I don't doubt it, but I've liked/loved three of her movies, and this seemed to fit with her earlier work.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:38 (two months ago) link
finale was trash, the entirety of the courtroom stuff was a joke
every time nicole kidman insisted on what a good mother she was i was like... wellllll...
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 October 2019 23:22 (one week ago) link
Yeah! Obviously Streep was conniving and awful re: her son, but it's not like there wasn't cause for concern, from the pills to the slapping. (I haven't seen the show since it aired--did any character express more than a passing concern about all that? I mostly recall Witherspoon treating it like not that big of a deal.)
― blatherskite, Thursday, 3 October 2019 23:38 (one week ago) link