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clouds, Saturday, 8 April 2017 23:53 (seven years ago) link

Turrican's post only makes sense in bizarro world

The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Sunday, 9 April 2017 00:40 (seven years ago) link

xx-post:

Well, you're definitely correct that gimmicks don't play into his strongest work.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 9 April 2017 01:15 (seven years ago) link

wtf is musical content?

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Sunday, 9 April 2017 12:14 (seven years ago) link

Drukqs is also my favorite Aphex album. Such a good headphone album.

dance cum rituals (Moka), Sunday, 9 April 2017 12:22 (seven years ago) link

wtf is musical content?

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Sunday, April 9, 2017 12:14 PM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're fucking kidding me, right? It's actually legitimately blown my mind that someone on these forums (of all forums) has felt the need to actually ask this question.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:29 (seven years ago) link

Moka OTM re:Drukqs being a great headphones album, particularly the more frantic beat-driven stuff on the record. I love putting this album on headphones and just paying attention to the way all the parts interact and play off of each other, each part sounding utterly gorgeous in terms of sound design. The acoustic stuff is very well recorded, too.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link

agree w dog latin, "musical content" is a meaningless term

the late great, Sunday, 9 April 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link

RDJ album is really vibrant/immediate-sounding, compared to Drukqs.. don't know it inside/out yet, but tracks like Peek (track 3) have a hot signal quality, percussion elements nearly distorted, that liquid synth is gorgeous.. it's HOT. a lot of it pops off with super vibrancy, blatant, snappy elasticity, no doubt. Carn Marth is another beaut.. obv. can't speak on it well, I just can't acknowledge the argument that Drukqs is retreading territory, cuz it's undoubtedly more developed and refined.

https://mikeparadinas.bandcamp.com/album/aberystwyth-marine -- this was released last year, but written/recorded in the late 90s. it def bears similarities to the RDJ album

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 02:54 (seven years ago) link

RDJ Album is so clean-sounding, it nearly borders on clinical but somehow it works. I remember reading a thing years ago where he said something like 'I don't like music where you can't hear all the sounds', and that's stuck with me a lot. To this day when I'm listening to (and making) music, I tend to favour stuff that has a great level of detail but nevertheless sounds uncluttered and non-muddy. That sounds kind of obvious but it's one of the reasons I got fed up with so much US indie stuff by the late-00's - stuff like Grizzly Bear and Deerhunter. Everything was just smooshed in all this reverb with all the sounds blurring into each other. There's a fair bit of bass-driven dance music from the d'n'b and dubstep camps that bothers me in this way too.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 08:27 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, but then again I one-time did a mix of our band's latest works-in-progress, and our rhythm guitarist gave me grief because he couldn't hear his guitaring, specifically. I did say "hey, you would definitely notice it if it wasn't there" but that's the thing. I remember Martin Hannett of all people remarking that a demo has all the instruments separated out in the stereo picture, and a 'production' has the sounds combined.

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 12:56 (seven years ago) link

(he wasn't there in person, I read what he said in an article)

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 12:57 (seven years ago) link

oh yeah, there's definitely an extreme thing where the sounds don't sit in the mix together very well and just kind of glide over each other. And often you get nice artefacts and interactions between two sounds working together. But I still don't like it as much when things get all watery and indistinct for no reason. Certain aesthetics - e.g. shoegaze - rely heavily on this, and i'll often give music like that a free pass because THAT'S THE IDEA; still even with shoegaze I don't like a big mush like a bunch of Play-Doh ball that've been mixed together.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 13:12 (seven years ago) link

imo, interactions between sounds "working together" tend to work much better when the sounds are recorded together, simultaneously, in the same room. that way you're capturing the actual acoustic phenomena that's taking place. sounds placed together in a mix might compliment one other, but they're not actually interacting on a raw, physical level.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link

In electronic music, different parts can be deliberately composed to interact with each other, through choice of notes or choice of sound.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link

same with any type of music

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link

or, if you're talking about something like a MIDI-controlled network, where multiple pieces of hardware interacting with each other (running simultaneously, interconnected) on the same 'clock', it becomes very interesting.. is that what you're getting at?

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 18:23 (seven years ago) link

*are interacting with each other

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link

Ah, no... I'm more talking about the way that electronic music can be programmed up note-by-note means that there's more scope to become more intricate with interacting parts in a composition, and this is what I love about RDJ's music, particularly on the more drill'n'bass tracks on Drukqs ... each composition is so intricately put together and thoughtfully worked out.

I do see what you mean though, if you place a bunch of musicians together in a room and have them play a piece, the end result can have a natural spark to it that would be lacking if everything was tracked separately. Programming up parts and working on sound design leads to pieces with a different kind of interaction to them.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 18:28 (seven years ago) link

by "programming" electronic music, do you mean programming sound events (notes, beats, musical content etc.) to occur or coincide w/each other, so that they have the appearance of cause and effect, "interplay" etc., or something more complex, where sound events are triggering events and actually affecting the quality/frequency/behavior of the other sounds?

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:18 (seven years ago) link

Both, although it all depends on the setup.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:26 (seven years ago) link

Turrican, interesting argument but I don't agree. Electronic music production can have the advantage of allowing one to endlessly track in as many patterns/layers as needed, but that's completely viable in other genres if there's enough musicians, particularly with a huge orchestra for example.

It's possible with any music, the resources just need to be there - just much easier for electronic music.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:12 (seven years ago) link

That doesn't deter for the deft edge Twin has with the tracks on Druqs, it's expert sonic editing.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:13 (seven years ago) link

Well yes, the resources have to be there, which is kinda what I'm getting at, which is that with electronic music, you have an incredible level of control over the end result and create parts and compositions that no "actual" musician could possibly play.

I'd love to see an orchestra play one of the drill'n'bass tracks from Drukqs, really I would. In fact, I'd love to see a transcription of one.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:48 (seven years ago) link

it's not really what equipment you use, it's the way you compose and mix. if you have too many competing sounds or you mix badly then you're going to end with a very claustrophobic track. Twin is great at making complex mixes sound clean and sparse

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:55 (seven years ago) link

there's a group, I think they're called Alarm Will Sound.. they've played one or two of the hyper-detailed tracks from Drukqs, it's gotta be on YouTube. (x-post to Turrican)

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:57 (seven years ago) link

yeah they did a whole album of live Aphex covers. Don't really care for it much myself but it's an interesting listen

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, 14 April 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link

it's kind of annoying.. I don't know

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 14 April 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link

xxxpost:

Yeah, now that I do agree with, and it's a huge part of what makes his music such a pleasure to listen to, I don't think I've ever heard a RDJ track that's sounded cluttered, not even his more sonically extreme stuff. Some of his tracks are so intricate and compositionally rich that a cluttered mix would just fuck it all up.

Like yourself, dog latin, I'm not a huge fan of cluttered mixes, particularly with electronic music. What I dislike is when people mistake "cluttered" for "psychedelic", which really gets on my tits.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Friday, 14 April 2017 00:54 (seven years ago) link

Ooh, I've never heard that, I'll have to give that a listen!

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Friday, 14 April 2017 00:58 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

Interesting article about the long and strange afterlife of "Avril 14th" from drukqs:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/arts/music/aphex-twin-avril-14th.html

o. nate, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 17:21 (three years ago) link

Yeah, drukqs is great! Not enough progress? Baloney. Just one example: the prepared-piano tracks are more of a departure than most artists attempt on a new album.
― o. nate, Monday, March 11, 2002 8:00 PM (nineteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

heh

o. nate, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 17:22 (three years ago) link

Listen to AVRIL 14 [CRAZY FROG EDITION] on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/FRBMP

conrad, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link

Thanks for sharing the NYT article. I bought an upright piano for my 6-year-old at the beginning of the pandemic - we've been doing "virtual" lessons, and they've worked surprisingly well.

I had never played piano but play some guitar and needed a project to work on during the days stuck at home between work calls. I began watching "how to play Avril 14th" videos on youtube, and learning to play each section of the song felt like some major achievement. I have played it thousands of times since and am still enamored with the outro, which is also the part that trips me up the most; the walking bass line is no longer a repeating pattern and the right hand melody is playing something totally disconnected, rhythmically. If I actually knew what the hell I was doing like Kelly Moran I could probably just wing the right hand and make it sound much better, but it's been a fun distraction nonetheless.

Indexed, Thursday, 15 April 2021 15:45 (three years ago) link

Heh, I tried to learn it too, since I basically am at a 6-year old's level on keys. The bassline was basically impossible given that I'm working with a 3.5 octave keyboard, so it sounds ridiculous all in the same octave. I tried to come up with my own version with chords or a simple bass part, but def gained new appreciation for the melody/composition (which is my main reason for learning tunes, not really to be able to perform them competently).

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2021 15:52 (three years ago) link

Could some kind soul C&P that NYT article?

Maresn3st, Thursday, 15 April 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link

i like the voicings of those first 4 left hand arpeggios

eisimpleir (crüt), Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:09 (three years ago) link

Just took a look at the sheet music. You really have to stretch you hands or move them very quickly. All those octaves! Might be a fun song for 4 hands.

o. nate, Thursday, 15 April 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link

Oh yeah that's the other thing, I have short fingers and was like no way. As a programmer not a pianist, it immediately made sense as something he would have programmed as midi.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2021 19:40 (three years ago) link

The Long Tail of Aphex Twin’s ‘Avril 14th’
A song released 20 years ago continues to inspire curiosity and covers by classical, experimental and pop artists.
By Eric Ducker - Published April 13, 2021

On April 14, 2020, the producer and pianist Kelly Moran woke up in Long Island. She had temporarily moved back there the previous fall to work on her next album, but when the pandemic arrived, she got stuck. Looking for a challenge to fill the hours that Tuesday morning, she figured out how to play the Aphex Twin song “Avril 14th” and filmed the results on her cellphone.

Like the original, Moran performed it on a prepared piano — a technique developed by the avant-garde composer John Cage where objects are placed in between the instrument’s strings. Moran’s interpretation is tender but eerie, like the sound of a music box that’s about to die. “I always picture a ghost playing this record,” she said in an interview last month.

Moran put the video on Twitter and Instagram, where it became one her most popular posts. “Not everyone is going to like drum and bass or, like, really fast IDM,” she said, referring to intelligent dance music, “but I feel like every person likes a sentimental piano song in some way, shape or form.”

Moran’s cover was one more blip in the strange and improbable life of “Avril 14th,” which turns 20 this year. An instrumental piece that barely lasts two minutes, it has been sampled by pop stars, inspired classical pianists and experimental artists alike, and once cost a major TV network over $100,000 (more on that later). On YouTube there are renditions of it performed on the harp, the pedal steel guitar and dueling vibraphones.

“Avril 14th” was released in October 2001, the same week the first iPod arrived, on the first disc of “Drukqs,” a double album by Aphex Twin, the most common pseudonym of the English musician Richard D. James. The 30-song collection churns across dark ambient works, aggressive breakbeats and sparse piano interludes.

At the time, James claimed he released “Drukqs” because he left an MP3 player filled with unreleased music on a plane. It was only a matter of time, he maintained, before someone figured out what it was and put it all online. There were rumors that James actually released “Drukqs” to get out of his contract with Warp Records, though when its follow-up “Syro” arrived 13 years later, it was on the same label.

James only did a few interviews in support of “Drukqs.” There were no music videos by Chris Cunningham, who directed wickedly perverse treatments for the landmark Aphex Twin songs “Come to Daddy” and “Windowlicker.” There were barely any tour dates or festival appearances.

James doesn’t disclose much about his creative process, or anything else really. (He did not respond to interview requests and representatives from Warp declined to comment.) From the faint mechanical sounds heard on “Avril 14th,” members of his devoted fan base surmised that it was made on a prepared Disklavier — an acoustic piano created by Yamaha with internal and external MIDI capabilities, which allows it to reproduce a composition without a human player but with incredible accuracy.

“Drukqs” received a mixed critical response, but it did have devotees. Not long after its release, the members of Alarm Will Sound, an adventurous group of classical musicians based in New York, decided to arrange Aphex Twin songs for their chamber orchestra’s 2005 album “Acoustica.” “It felt like a statement to say this is really serious music,” said Alan Pierson, the group’s artistic director. “Aphex Twin is a genius for color and timbre, and so much of ‘Acoustica’ is about that, but with ‘Avril 14th’ it’s really just the notes,” Pierson added. “The notes are really gorgeous.”

Around the same time, the composer and music supervisor Brian Reitzell began work on Sofia Coppola’s 2006 film “Marie Antoinette.” Before shooting began, he compiled two CDs of contemporary music that captured the tone the director wanted, even though it was a period piece. Reitzell felt “Avril 14th” almost served as a bridge between the two eras.

While James passed on Reitzell’s invitation to contribute new compositions for the film’s score (“Some artists are just not comfortable making their art fit into someone else’s art,” Reitzell said), “Avril 14th” does appear in a sequence where Antoinette, played by Kirsten Dunst, languorously walks through a field and up a palace staircase. Reitzell said that after an early screening for friends, the director Wes Anderson complimented him for including the song, and said he had considered using it for one of his own films, but now was bummed because he felt like it was off limits. It later appeared in the trailer for “Her,” the maudlin A.I. romance from Coppola’s ex-husband, Spike Jonze.

The song’s life in pop culture spiked again just a year later thanks to a longtime fan, Jorma Taccone of the comedy trio the Lonely Island, a group that became famous from its musical digital shorts on “Saturday Night Live.” “I’m the perfect demo for liking that song in terms of I like a lot of electronic music and I’m also a totally emotional, romantic dude,” Taccone said in an interview.

For years he kept a basic beat on his computer featuring a looped sample from “Avril 14th,” but never had the right opportunity to use it. In September 2007, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then the president of Iran, visited New York City and gave a talk stating there were no homosexuals in his country. In response, the Lonely Island created “Iran So Far.” Over Taccone’s “Avril 14th” beat, Andy Samberg performed a love song dedicated to Ahmadinejad, delivering lines like, “You say Iran don’t have the bomb, but they already do/You should know by now, it’s you.”

Because “Saturday Night Live” is made at a breakneck speed, Taccone brushed off the legal department when asked if “Iran So Far” used samples that needed to be cleared, figuring they could deal with any problems later. That meant the network eventually had to pay the label $160,000, Taccone said, and the group couldn’t afford to put it on its own 2009 album, “Incredibad.”

Kanye West ended up replaying a part of “Avril 14th” on “Blame Game,” a key song on his 2010 opus of hedonism and self-loathing “My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.” Coincidentally, West was the musical guest on “S.N.L.” the night the Lonely Island short aired, and Taccone takes pride in the fact that they both saw the possibility in the same unlikely material. “It just made me feel like I was a genius,” he said.

As the popularity of streaming music services rose over the past decade, the record label Silent Star approached the British pianist Martin Jacoby about recording covers for a catalog of tranquil pieces, including “Avril 14th.” Jacoby’s version appears on compilations with search-friendly titles including “Sleepy Baby Lullaby” and “Classical for Studying.” Spotify has included the Aphex Twin version on such curated playlists as “Peaceful Indie Ambient” and “Classical Yoga.”

On the service there are now more than 30 covers of “Avril 14th” by electronic artists and classical musicians. Some have millions of streams of their own. There are jaunty interpretations and atmospheric ones. Others stay loyal to Aphex Twin. “It’s almost divorced from him as an artist,” said Jacoby, of the track’s originator. “It’s become one of those pieces that’s now exploded in its own right.”

While this popularity may expose classical music fans to the sometimes overwhelming, occasionally terrorizing music of Aphex Twin, the exchange also flows the other way. “It’s a gateway to Debussy, or some of the other amazing piano pieces that are out there,” said Reitzell, the music supervisor. “If you like that piece, man, I’ve got 30 more for you. That is the most beautiful thing about music. That song will probably outlive Richard’s entire catalog in a way.”

But Moran hears an even more fundamental reason modern listeners have turned a haunting piano piece with minimalist influences into a digital era phenomenon. Before our interview, she transcribed “Avril 14th” again to refamiliarize herself with it. Holding up the piece of paper, she noted its chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus structure. “Honestly,” she said, “this is like a pop song to me.”

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 17 April 2021 04:11 (two years ago) link

I guess I’m in good company waking up in Long Island and trying to play it also

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 17 April 2021 05:14 (two years ago) link

i like avril 14 s the rest is pretty boring as i have given it many chances and i just can not get into it!

xzanfar, Saturday, 17 April 2021 15:44 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Drukqs is every bit as unlistenable as Metal Machine Music.
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, February 9, 2007 3:16 AM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Shut up, asshole.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 00:33 (one year ago) link

lmao I guess that was a phase

octobeard, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 01:29 (one year ago) link

I tend to keep my negative opinions on music to myself rather than post 'em here, but I did make an early post about how Super AE by Boredoms was one of the worst albums ever and I was so so wrong

Vinnie, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 01:42 (one year ago) link

this seems like it's THE aphex album for a lot of kids who discovered him in the last decade, which is so wild given that it was considered a disappointment when it first came out. (and still not in my top five.)

brisk money (lukas), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 04:38 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

i'm
taking
control

of the drum machine

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 November 2022 02:20 (one year ago) link

this is the greatest album of all time

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 November 2022 02:20 (one year ago) link

this seems like it's THE aphex album for a lot of kids who discovered him in the last decade, which is so wild given that it was considered a disappointment when it first came out. (and still not in my top five.)

― brisk money (lukas), Monday, April 18, 2022 9:38 PM (six months ago)

It's his most accessible by far for contemporary tastes. RDJ is too eccentric, Come to Daddy too short, ICBYD is too "hard", SAW II is too ethereal and specialized, and everything else is a side project or dated in its sound (Classics). Drukqs is well rounded and accessible, under his main moniker and showcases most of his range enough to be a perfect intro. Makes sense.

octobeard, Thursday, 17 November 2022 18:22 (one year ago) link


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