Better Call Saul

I noticed there appears to be a companion Talking programme to this now. Is that new. Is that just becoming standard to everything remotely intriguing these days?
Things not cheapened by the gossip level?
Did Dr Who get one yet?

I've only noticed it with AMC shows (Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul... I think Preacher may have had one?)

Game of Thrones has one as well. Or maybe that's just in the UK?

Talking Dead and a few others too

Doctor Who has one in Australia now. The host opened the first episode by introducing the panel, then saying "Forget about the episode we just watched, [SCREAMS SPOILER ABOUT NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE], let's talk about that!"

The real eye opener is the accompanying podcast

For B.B./BCS I mean

The podcast is great

Are they doing one this season?

premiere was okay, obviously a slow burn w a specific focus. I did wonder what the point of all those shots of Kim deciding on whether or not to use a period, a semi-colon or an en-dash was though.

presumed it was playing on (and, not incidentally reminding the audience of) her obsession with doing things properly

a mountain that can be a rising line graph... or falling
the fuckup of the paint as jimmy veers away from his brother's method of patient methodical tape rolling
thug in the car circling "trajectory" on the word search
the tip off of just why the tape was made at the start of the episode leading to payoff IN THE SAME EPISODE so that we don't get in front of the story
the mirrored plots of mike and jimmy on opposite sides of the law
the obvious but teasing reveals of the Pollos Hermanos sign and of Esposito sweeping up
so many lengthy silent sequences, brilliantly framed with such an eye to detail... the out of focus spider running on the tarmac as mike's head breaks the rounded horizon line
just bravado work front to back

Gilligans direction was incredible this ep. I love that they're not afraid to be corny or obvious (trajectory, a little crooked) but with such panache

Saul's secretary! That was bigger than gus for me

I know! So unexpected.

There must have been, what, a full thirty dialogue-free minutes between the first two episodes of the season? That takes chutzpah. And to make it work takes serious skill.

I loved his oh so covert staking out of Pollos Hermanos, for a bit of comic relief. But overall, yeah that was a technically stunning and perfect ep.

My favorite little detail this week was the fact that Jimmy has a velcro wallet. That just seems so perfectly Jimmy.

"this guy REALLY doesn't want to talk about cracker barrel" got a belly laugh out of me

On a meta level I appreciate how chuck's brilliant genius plan was to use REALY SUBTLE REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY on derrrnie so Jimmy would immediately lose his shit and run into a trap, cause it's like a comical simplification of the ricin gambit for ppl who complained that that was too convoluted

On a non-meta level it was played so so well (hamyln's dorky little agitated run is cranstonesque) and I care much less about the mechanism than the outcome, I think being cornered like this is what leads to the first really big downward lurch for Jimmy

still don't see what Chuck pins on Jimmy - breaking + entering and assault, destruction of private property, etc.? OK whatever

Could that be enough to get him disbarred?

Whatever the particulars, I think the overall aim would be to get Jimmy disbarred — Chuck wants to take away Jimmy's one big life success. xp!

xpost Yeah it didnt seem that big of a GOTCHA tbh. 1st 2 episodes have been ok. I'm getting more of a kick out of Mike's long wordless scenes of covert stalking than Jimmy's story (which seems to be covering well trodden territory)

the reverse for me. Mike's plotline more closely mirrors BB's focus on mechanics and minutiae, but it's Jimmy's plotline that has the emotional resonance and depth of character

I agree, its just Jimmy's story has been less appealing so far this season

breaking and entering is enough to get him arrested, i think there's three people who now can prove admission of guilt to what's on that tape... no longer his story vs mine.
in any case, it's enough to force jimmy out of the law... under his own name at least.

i really really appreciate (as per the block quote up top) that they explained in the opening why the tape was made without explicitly telling the audience and then, in opposition to a zillion other hourlong dramas that would've made the buildup to Jimmy breaking the crux of the story for five more episodes ("THE SECRET TAPE SAGA FINALLY COMES TO A HEAD IN THE NEXT TO THE LAST EPISODE BEFORE THE LAST EPISODE"), bang, it's over.

i think there's three people who now can prove admission of guilt to what's on that tape

idk Jimmy's defense - that he was telling his totally nuts brother what he wanted to hear in order to restore him to some semblance of sanity - is totally believable. And the tape itself is destroyed, of questionable provenance etc.

I suppose it could come down to Ernie betraying Jimmy, which would be brutal andsad

you're assuming that actually was the tape, it clearly was not.
jimmy busted into the house screaming bloody murder, busting open the drawer with a fireplace poker and REadmitting to everything anyway; don't think the burden of sanity is on his bro anymore

That's assuming that is the tape/that it's the only copy

Xp

One thing that doesn't sit quite right with me: why is this the betrayal that provokes the big outburst from Jimmy? He didn't react like that when he found out that Chuck secretly stood in the way of his legal career from the beginning, nor when Chuck intervened to get Mesa Verda back from Kim.

So why does Jimmy freak out and accuse Chuck of ruining the family now--particularly since, as Chuck and Howard and Kim have all said, the tape is not likely to be admissable in court, let alone useful? The one thing I can think of is that Jimmy might be angry over having been out-grifted. The other stuff was just Chuck throwing his weight around. This time, Jimmy was actually deceived.

xposts: I think Jimmy can definitely still claim that he was just saying what he thought Chuck needed to hear, and that he was angry over having been recorded without his knowledge (by his own brother, who he had cared for in his time of need, etc. etc.)

REadmitting to everything anyway

this is not what happened

Yeah I think it's chuck being a faker re his breakdown: big betrayal, big hypocrisy xp

he charged into the room, explicitly referenced Chuck acting crazy, and yelled about the betrayal/being taped. He didn't say anything about the content of the tape being the truth.

Jimmy's behavior - freaking out over a family-member's insane and malicious behavior - looks way more rational than Chuck's "I'm allergic to electricity" nonsense tbh

like which one do you think a jury's gonna be more sympathetic to

here's the story as i see it happening: jimmy is booked for b&e, possibly brandishing a weapon (some variety of assault) with the poker. He's dead to rights and maybe threatened with more on the confession. chuck won't press charges IF jimmy stops using the McGill name. Of course Jimmy is now completely associated with that name with his business and advertising. This is the Saul Goodman origin story. Of course now he can't share an office with Kim....

I agree that the leap to anger is a bit contrived, it's another way that the speeding forward of the plot serves the show tho. Found that less problematic because of how quickly it was executed.

I suspect we'll see payoff to that (chuck's mental illness/crushability) before we get to a courtroom tbh xp

your scenario makes sense at this point, yeah

xp

I don't mind contrivances! I'm a breaking bad fan

"chuck won't press charges IF jimmy stops using the McGill name."

that's what I'm thinking too.

I enjoyed blurry background Gus.

That shot of him grimly staring ahead while Jimmy drove off behind him was an indication that Gus knew what Jimmy was up to right? Definitely realising something (as Jimmy's car screeched off).

love odenkirk's and banks's relationship & interractions when they're actually in a scene together

I liked how analyzing the Mike/Gus/Jimmy interactions in this episode involved rewinding everything we know about these characters' relationships. Gus knows about Mike, neither Mike nor Jimmy know anything about Gus, as of the time he walks into the restaurant Jimmy is just some random dude as far as Gus is concerned but he manages to sniff him out and link him to Mike by the time he's gone, and Mike and Jimmy are still clueless about Gus until Mike gets his phone call.

It'll be fun when Cranston and Paul make their inevitable cameos, sharing space with people who are total strangers but with whom they will be intimately tied to just a few years down the road.

halfway through the second season of this, and I think it's wonderful. A lot of the Mike stuff feels very disjointed though, like it should be a separate TV show. Kinda seems like they couldn't decide whether to do a Saul spinoff or a Mike spinoff, so they shot down the middle and tried both. (I'm sure the storylines will continue to converge here and there, but it still messes up the flow of a lot of episodes).

Also the world building is so good with the Saul stuff and law firms and the Sandpiper case that it feels weird being pulled back to the Nacho stuff so often.

^^^the things evan r doesn't get are the things i like best, apart from when banks and odenkirk are on-screen together, which is always the gihhlight -- and that's because the very different rhythms of stories when they're not together so strongly charge the brief times when they are together

trying to think of another time i've seen a move like this and actually can't

yes gihhlight, i meant gihhlight

the next ep preview notes "Kim is disappointed when Saul takes a new client" and i think that has to mean that he decides to represent himself in his case vs chuck so we may have a few episodes with Jimmy in jail hijinx

It has felt like two shows in one re Mike and Jimmy - and because Mike is closer to the Mike we know in BB his scenes tend to feel more like extensions of that show (which am fine with personally...at least while they revolve around these absurdly monastic surveillance moves) whereas it's otherwise more like Better Call Jimmy (a different show) still.

yeah that's otm. I suppose that could seem thrilling but the disconnect just feels clumsy to me.

I hated the "Breaking Bad, only wacky" vibe of the first two season one episodes, too, though. Really feel like the show didn't find its footing until it focused on the law stuff. All the legal subplots really seem to stand on their own, whereas the Mike stuff probably only works for Breaking Bad fans already vested in the character