The podcast is great
― (±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Monday, 17 April 2017 22:46 (seven years ago) link
Are they doing one this season?
― briscall stool chart (wins), Monday, 17 April 2017 22:47 (seven years ago) link
premiere was okay, obviously a slow burn w a specific focus. I did wonder what the point of all those shots of Kim deciding on whether or not to use a period, a semi-colon or an en-dash was though.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 April 2017 22:54 (seven years ago) link
presumed it was playing on (and, not incidentally reminding the audience of) her obsession with doing things properly
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 02:22 (seven years ago) link
a mountain that can be a rising line graph... or fallingthe fuckup of the paint as jimmy veers away from his brother's method of patient methodical tape rollingthug in the car circling "trajectory" on the word searchthe tip off of just why the tape was made at the start of the episode leading to payoff IN THE SAME EPISODE so that we don't get in front of the storythe mirrored plots of mike and jimmy on opposite sides of the lawthe obvious but teasing reveals of the Pollos Hermanos sign and of Esposito sweeping upso many lengthy silent sequences, brilliantly framed with such an eye to detail... the out of focus spider running on the tarmac as mike's head breaks the rounded horizon linejust bravado work front to back
Gilligans direction was incredible this ep. I love that they're not afraid to be corny or obvious (trajectory, a little crooked) but with such panache
Saul's secretary! That was bigger than gus for me
― briscall stool chart (wins), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
I know! So unexpected.
There must have been, what, a full thirty dialogue-free minutes between the first two episodes of the season? That takes chutzpah. And to make it work takes serious skill.
― Lipbra Geraldoman (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
I loved his oh so covert staking out of Pollos Hermanos, for a bit of comic relief. But overall, yeah that was a technically stunning and perfect ep.
― calzino, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 16:58 (seven years ago) link
My favorite little detail this week was the fact that Jimmy has a velcro wallet. That just seems so perfectly Jimmy.
― 20-lol pileup (WilliamC), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
"this guy REALLY doesn't want to talk about cracker barrel" got a belly laugh out of me
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
On a meta level I appreciate how chuck's brilliant genius plan was to use REALY SUBTLE REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY on derrrnie so Jimmy would immediately lose his shit and run into a trap, cause it's like a comical simplification of the ricin gambit for ppl who complained that that was too convoluted
On a non-meta level it was played so so well (hamyln's dorky little agitated run is cranstonesque) and I care much less about the mechanism than the outcome, I think being cornered like this is what leads to the first really big downward lurch for Jimmy
― briscall stool chart (wins), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
still don't see what Chuck pins on Jimmy - breaking + entering and assault, destruction of private property, etc.? OK whatever
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
Could that be enough to get him disbarred?
― JRN, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Whatever the particulars, I think the overall aim would be to get Jimmy disbarred — Chuck wants to take away Jimmy's one big life success. xp!
― 20-lol pileup (WilliamC), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
xpost Yeah it didnt seem that big of a GOTCHA tbh. 1st 2 episodes have been ok. I'm getting more of a kick out of Mike's long wordless scenes of covert stalking than Jimmy's story (which seems to be covering well trodden territory)
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
the reverse for me. Mike's plotline more closely mirrors BB's focus on mechanics and minutiae, but it's Jimmy's plotline that has the emotional resonance and depth of character
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
I agree, its just Jimmy's story has been less appealing so far this season
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:01 (seven years ago) link
breaking and entering is enough to get him arrested, i think there's three people who now can prove admission of guilt to what's on that tape... no longer his story vs mine.in any case, it's enough to force jimmy out of the law... under his own name at least.
i really really appreciate (as per the block quote up top) that they explained in the opening why the tape was made without explicitly telling the audience and then, in opposition to a zillion other hourlong dramas that would've made the buildup to Jimmy breaking the crux of the story for five more episodes ("THE SECRET TAPE SAGA FINALLY COMES TO A HEAD IN THE NEXT TO THE LAST EPISODE BEFORE THE LAST EPISODE"), bang, it's over.
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
i think there's three people who now can prove admission of guilt to what's on that tape
idk Jimmy's defense - that he was telling his totally nuts brother what he wanted to hear in order to restore him to some semblance of sanity - is totally believable. And the tape itself is destroyed, of questionable provenance etc.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
I suppose it could come down to Ernie betraying Jimmy, which would be brutal andsad
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
you're assuming that actually was the tape, it clearly was not.jimmy busted into the house screaming bloody murder, busting open the drawer with a fireplace poker and REadmitting to everything anyway; don't think the burden of sanity is on his bro anymore
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
That's assuming that is the tape/that it's the only copy
― briscall stool chart (wins), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
Xp
One thing that doesn't sit quite right with me: why is this the betrayal that provokes the big outburst from Jimmy? He didn't react like that when he found out that Chuck secretly stood in the way of his legal career from the beginning, nor when Chuck intervened to get Mesa Verda back from Kim.
So why does Jimmy freak out and accuse Chuck of ruining the family now--particularly since, as Chuck and Howard and Kim have all said, the tape is not likely to be admissable in court, let alone useful? The one thing I can think of is that Jimmy might be angry over having been out-grifted. The other stuff was just Chuck throwing his weight around. This time, Jimmy was actually deceived.
― JRN, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
xposts: I think Jimmy can definitely still claim that he was just saying what he thought Chuck needed to hear, and that he was angry over having been recorded without his knowledge (by his own brother, who he had cared for in his time of need, etc. etc.)
― JRN, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
REadmitting to everything anyway
this is not what happened
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I think it's chuck being a faker re his breakdown: big betrayal, big hypocrisy xp
― briscall stool chart (wins), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
he charged into the room, explicitly referenced Chuck acting crazy, and yelled about the betrayal/being taped. He didn't say anything about the content of the tape being the truth.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
Jimmy's behavior - freaking out over a family-member's insane and malicious behavior - looks way more rational than Chuck's "I'm allergic to electricity" nonsense tbh
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
like which one do you think a jury's gonna be more sympathetic to
here's the story as i see it happening: jimmy is booked for b&e, possibly brandishing a weapon (some variety of assault) with the poker. He's dead to rights and maybe threatened with more on the confession. chuck won't press charges IF jimmy stops using the McGill name. Of course Jimmy is now completely associated with that name with his business and advertising. This is the Saul Goodman origin story. Of course now he can't share an office with Kim....
I agree that the leap to anger is a bit contrived, it's another way that the speeding forward of the plot serves the show tho. Found that less problematic because of how quickly it was executed.
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
I suspect we'll see payoff to that (chuck's mental illness/crushability) before we get to a courtroom tbh xp
― briscall stool chart (wins), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
your scenario makes sense at this point, yeah
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
I don't mind contrivances! I'm a breaking bad fan
― briscall stool chart (wins), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 18:45 (seven years ago) link
"chuck won't press charges IF jimmy stops using the McGill name."
that's what I'm thinking too.
― akm, Thursday, 20 April 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link
I enjoyed blurry background Gus.
That shot of him grimly staring ahead while Jimmy drove off behind him was an indication that Gus knew what Jimmy was up to right? Definitely realising something (as Jimmy's car screeched off).
― nashwan, Monday, 24 April 2017 13:12 (seven years ago) link
love odenkirk's and banks's relationship & interractions when they're actually in a scene together
― mark s, Monday, 24 April 2017 13:20 (seven years ago) link
I liked how analyzing the Mike/Gus/Jimmy interactions in this episode involved rewinding everything we know about these characters' relationships. Gus knows about Mike, neither Mike nor Jimmy know anything about Gus, as of the time he walks into the restaurant Jimmy is just some random dude as far as Gus is concerned but he manages to sniff him out and link him to Mike by the time he's gone, and Mike and Jimmy are still clueless about Gus until Mike gets his phone call.
It'll be fun when Cranston and Paul make their inevitable cameos, sharing space with people who are total strangers but with whom they will be intimately tied to just a few years down the road.
― Sort-of like a Hershey's kiss, only it's an anus (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 April 2017 13:43 (seven years ago) link
halfway through the second season of this, and I think it's wonderful. A lot of the Mike stuff feels very disjointed though, like it should be a separate TV show. Kinda seems like they couldn't decide whether to do a Saul spinoff or a Mike spinoff, so they shot down the middle and tried both. (I'm sure the storylines will continue to converge here and there, but it still messes up the flow of a lot of episodes).
Also the world building is so good with the Saul stuff and law firms and the Sandpiper case that it feels weird being pulled back to the Nacho stuff so often.
― Evan R, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
^^^the things evan r doesn't get are the things i like best, apart from when banks and odenkirk are on-screen together, which is always the gihhlight -- and that's because the very different rhythms of stories when they're not together so strongly charge the brief times when they are together
trying to think of another time i've seen a move like this and actually can't
― mark s, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
yes gihhlight, i meant gihhlight
― mark s, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
the next ep preview notes "Kim is disappointed when Saul takes a new client" and i think that has to mean that he decides to represent himself in his case vs chuck so we may have a few episodes with Jimmy in jail hijinx
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Monday, 24 April 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link
It has felt like two shows in one re Mike and Jimmy - and because Mike is closer to the Mike we know in BB his scenes tend to feel more like extensions of that show (which am fine with personally...at least while they revolve around these absurdly monastic surveillance moves) whereas it's otherwise more like Better Call Jimmy (a different show) still.
― nashwan, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
yeah that's otm. I suppose that could seem thrilling but the disconnect just feels clumsy to me.
I hated the "Breaking Bad, only wacky" vibe of the first two season one episodes, too, though. Really feel like the show didn't find its footing until it focused on the law stuff. All the legal subplots really seem to stand on their own, whereas the Mike stuff probably only works for Breaking Bad fans already vested in the character
― Evan R, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
whereas the Mike stuff probably only works for Breaking Bad fans already vested in the character
idk about that. the backstory re: his son/daughter-in-law/granddaughter gave him more depth of character than p much anything in his BB appearances. I think his storyline/sequences are def more in line w BB's sort of mechanical, problem-solving focus, but as a character I think you could come to BCS cold and find his story believable/compelling.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
whether or not anyone is actually watching this w out seeing BB first is a different question
thrilling isn't how i'm responding to it -- i like it bcz it's this collision of two very extremely different types of problem solving (or better, of approaches to problems, since i would hesitate to call what jimmy does "solving") which every now and then overlap when they meet each other, where the two worlds go into just constant very funny microaggression recoil (as much as anything, terrific acting from both of them: banks's mix of eternal-granite stoneface stoicism and, just under the surface, itchy facepalm exasperation, makes me crack up every time i watch these bits)
― mark s, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:51 (seven years ago) link
and jimmy is obviously daunted by mike, and he deals with this by just jabbering his way round it (which kind of works, because whatever he is he's not actually an idiot)
― mark s, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link
xxp The chatty, relaxed tone of the Jimmy scenes is diff enough from BB that I could really see people who weren't into BB liking this and watching it. Heard of a few anecdotally, but yah most people are obviously already converts
I was never as into Mike as everybody else seemed to be I guess. His granddaughter storyline feels repeated from BB, and the whole "old man who is underestimated by drug lords but more cunning than he seems" is a thematic repeat of Walt's "sickly middle class guy is underestimated by drug lords but more dangerous than he looks" thing. Like, honestly, how many scenes do I have to watch where Mike is dismissed as old man or geezer or Mr. Magoo or whatever.
― Evan R, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:53 (seven years ago) link
The more I think about the narrative trajectories of Walt, Mike and Jimmy, it's actually kind of a wonder these shows didn't descend into straight Falling Down territory. It's v much cut from the same "white guys sick of eating shit" cloth
― Evan R, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
(My posts are coming across as bitchier than I mean them to be; I really love this show and think it is doing something impressive and original, so I'm mostly nitpicking)
― Evan R, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link