first issue in the collection is here
including hilariously gratuitous Tom Wolfe cameo:http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-C4z0Cn4w8Go/Tv-2DQhepoI/AAAAAAAAbAU/pRzpr7FCnGU/s1600/DrStrange-18010.jpg
― Οὖτις, Friday, 5 May 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link
Haha, wtf (and where's the famous white suit, at the cleaners?)
― retconned out of existence (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
Circling back to Spidey -- while the fact that they "undid" Peter & MJ's marriage, via the Mephisto thing, is a nonstarter to me; I'm also not interested in reading "Renew Your Vows" (which you'd think would be giving me exactly "what I want"). So I guess there's no degree of "fan service" that will suffice in this case (at least for this "fan") -- and maybe that's unfair. (But in my defense, I read the first ish of the Secret Wars "RYV" and it was really bad.)
― retconned out of existence (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2017 17:48 (seven years ago) link
hee hee 'millions of balls'
― finger my 60s Soul Pie (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 5 May 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link
yeah, marvel did a thing that month across some of their books where journalists had little cameos - hunter s thompson showed up in avengers, woodward and bernstein were in fantastic four and lester bangs was in amazing spider-man iirc
― finger my 60s Soul Pie (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 5 May 2017 17:54 (seven years ago) link
It's actually shockingly straightforward*! Spider-Verse was astoundingly coherent, given the millions of balls it was juggling.*If, at least, you consider the period since Mephisto reset Spidey's reality as its own discrete thing separate from what came before.
*If, at least, you consider the period since Mephisto reset Spidey's reality as its own discrete thing separate from what came before.
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 May 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
Any residual patience I have with Bendis these days comes from my appreciation with him being the last person to do spidey right (in ultimate)Slott is horrible imo
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 May 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
Heck even miles has been okay this far until the recent poorly considered Claremontesque soap opera direction
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 May 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
it's not that hard -- again, you can grasp all the basics about Spider-Man and pick up on the few minor changes like his job, current girlfriend, etc and just read an issue where he's stopping a villain and it's fine. it's the issues that are based completely on some aspect of past events, not just using them as a framing mechanism for the story being told, that are completely broken for new readers
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Friday, 5 May 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
To be clearer, I guess I am not saying it's "difficult to follow" so much as I am saying "it is dumb and bad"
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 May 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
and I'm saying forget it happened, just read good spider-man issues
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Friday, 5 May 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link
xpostThose Colan issues of Doctor Strange were the first time that Tom Palmer had inked Colan's pencils - Palmer was only about eighteen years old at the time, but could already claim to be Colan's best inker with George Klein his only real rival. Just beautiful stuff, and Roy the Boy back before he was a Republican, writing some great naively psychedelic opportunistic hipster stuff, w/ decent plotting and invention.
Tom Wolfe made a follow-up appearance - in the white suit - in a Thomas scripted issue of the Hulk pleasingly called "They Shoot Hulks Don't They"
https://i2.wp.com/i41.photobucket.com/albums/e256/caker23/more%20pix/Hulk142Wolfe.jpg
― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 5 May 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
this anecdote:Englehart and Brunner created another multi-issue storyline featuring sorcerer Sise-Neg ("Genesis" spelled backward) going back through history, collecting all magical energies, until he reaches the beginning of the universe, becomes all-powerful and creates it anew, leaving Strange to wonder whether this was, paradoxically, the original creation. Stan Lee, seeing the issue after publication, ordered Englehart and Brunner to print a retraction saying this was not God but a god, to avoid offending religious readers. The writer and artist concocted a fake letter from a fictitious minister praising the story, and mailed it to Marvel from Texas. Marvel unwittingly printed the letter and dropped the retraction
― Οὖτις, Friday, 5 May 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link
Not sure if Gary Glitter and milk bottle man are still in continuity
https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/1105907.jpg
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 5 May 2017 22:24 (seven years ago) link
lester bangs was in amazing spider-man iirc
waaaaht how come I can't find an img of this
― Οὖτις, Friday, 5 May 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link
That xpost plot synopsis is everything I love best about marvel
― gimmesomehawnz (Jon not Jon), Friday, 5 May 2017 23:31 (seven years ago) link
how come I can't find an img of this
Incredible how this has been suppressed.
― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 6 May 2017 03:11 (six years ago) link
it's almost like it never happened
― the world's smallest 13-inch (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 6 May 2017 05:47 (six years ago) link
My son got a "blind box" with a "Captain America: Civil War"–themed bobblehead; I couldn't identify the character upon opening it (a blonde woman wielding sticks), so I checked the Web and figured out it's the SHIELD agent who was portrayed in the movie by the Emily Thorne actress from "Revenge." (I watched half the movie on TV recently, but it left almost no impression.)
Then I checked further, and learned that this particular character (Sharon Carter) has been around since 1966(!): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Carter
That's the kicker with Marvel; you can scratch the surface and find there's tons of history on a character you've never even heard of. (I rarely encountered SHIELD when I was a reader in the '80s and early '90s, so didn't know most of the backstory.)
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Monday, 22 May 2017 03:23 (six years ago) link
status quo for most of the last decade or two is that she's captain america's girlfriend in the comics
at least when he's not being killed or stuck in time or actually the red skull, and she's not being brainwashed
― mh, Monday, 22 May 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link
Also worth noting that Captain America's girlfriend is the niece of Captain America's dead ex-girlfriend. Which, y'know, a little weird.
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 May 2017 14:41 (six years ago) link
Oh, is her aunt that "Agent Carter of SHIELD" from the TV show set in the 1940s?
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:22 (six years ago) link
yeah, she was in the first Captain America film
― mh, Monday, 22 May 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
Great-aunt, I think.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 22 May 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link
Actually, Peggy is quite a bit more than incidental -- she's in The First Avenger as a possible romantic foil for Captain America but he "dies," she reappears in the Winter Soldier basically on her deathbed and in flashback to the origins of SHIELD (they made the tv miniseries take place in that time), and then in Civil War there's a scene with her funeral.
Yeah, she's been retconned to be age appropriate for whenever Captain America thaws out. The women stay the same age, but WW2 just gets further in the past every year.
― mh, Monday, 22 May 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
war never changes iirc
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/OWrtdm1irskAE/giphy.gif
― 🎵 it's grey pubic now, stoner blue 🎵 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:47 (six years ago) link
That's what I love about Carter girls, man. They get older, and I stay the same age and start dating their nieces at some point.
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
defrosted and confused
― 🎵 it's grey pubic now, stoner blue 🎵 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
I think Sharon was Peggys sister to begin with, and it wasn't until Brubaker that she was changed to her niece. And it was pretty controversial at the time.
― Frederik B, Monday, 22 May 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
This actually a part of larger problem that comes with the sliding timeline: Marvel may retcon the origins of some heroes that relate to real-world events (Ben and Reed aren't WWII veterans anymore, the origins of Iron Man and Punisher aren't tied to the Vietnam War any longer), but Cap, Peggy Carter Red Skull, Namor, the original Human Torch, etc, are so intricately tied to 2nd World War that it's very hard to retcon that, and they have never tried. But this raises the question, why haven't there been any superheroes in the gap between the 1940s and whenever the origin of the FF takes place in the ever-adjusting timeline? At the moment that gap must be something like 60 years, and it keeps getting bigger.
In the 1960s, the gap was less than two decades, and the recent emergence of mutants was explained by atomic testing that began in the 1940s, so the children of the atomic era were only then coming of age. But now we know mutants have been around for centuries, so where were they before the 00s, or whenever the X-Men started according to the current timeline? Why didn't the costumed heroes of the 1940s inspire a new generation of heroes until 60 years later, but after that new heroes start to pop up constantly?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 10:10 (six years ago) link
baby boomers too self-absorbed to fight crime iirc
― 🎵 it's grey pubic now, stoner blue 🎵 (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 10:12 (six years ago) link
I sorta felt like Jonathan Hickman was going to try and explain this in S.H.I.E.L.D., but then he never finished it.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 10:20 (six years ago) link
The members of Agents of Atlas are mostly from the '50s. Plus they've retconned plenty of characters into that era ('50s Avengers, Byrne's Lost Generation).
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 10:21 (six years ago) link
imo it's easier to gloss over the difficulties in how your near-ageless characters relate to humans when they're also the gorilla man
― mh, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 13:32 (six years ago) link
Isn't it, Captain America is perpetually World War II guy, and that's fine, you just update his defrost date, then at some point Sharon will have to be Peggy's grandchild or whatnot.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link
only one solution: freeze Sharon
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
seriously though, Agents of Atlas did some smart moves on the ageless character front. a robot, a guy from uranus, a goddess, gorilla dude, all of them are divorced enough from humanity it all just works
― mh, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link
I'm sorry, a guy from where
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
oh, you know
fwiw he was Marvel's original "Marvel Boy" and he now goes by... The Uranian
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Grayson_(Earth-616)
― mh, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
Uranian? Hallelujah.
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
Was not aware of this fellow, but sounds like a respectful "R.I.P." is in order: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-galton-dead-marvel-president-ceo-was-92-1012944
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
Nah, corporate hack who appears to have had little or no creative/aesthetic vision, did zilch for creator's rights during his time at Marvel and presided over the artistic decline of the Shooter era.
― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
the direct market was an idea that worked really well for a while, until it completely wrecked so many things
― mh, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
as far as release day comics go...
I have the feeling that Jason Aaron is having a lot of fun with this Star Wars book
― mh, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link
I didn't know Aaron was doing Star Wars.... he's so great with Thor. I've never read an SW comic, even tho I enjoy the motion picture property (like the rest of Gen-X humanity).
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link
Star Wars is quite good - Kieron Gillen's Darth Vader is excellent though.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link
I think out of the half dozen or so series maybe only one has been mediocre. I have Charles Soule some flack before but combined with the right artist (Alex Maleev) on Lando he's ok!
Really I think the really middling to bad art on the Dark Horse stuff is what kept me away from Star Wars comics in the past
― mh, Thursday, 15 June 2017 00:04 (six years ago) link
I'm told that none of that old stuff is SW "canon" any longer, anyway... (for what that's worth, probably not much).
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Thursday, 15 June 2017 01:17 (six years ago) link
quite a bit, actually! they're doing really well with keeping things in line with all the nu-canon, and while some of the material released (looking at a certain book series here) feels a little like it's connecting dots between dictated points, there are references between the books, comics, television and movies that make sense
I think a couple of the main departures have been Luke seeking out Jedi ephemera in the space between the original films, and the post-original trilogy lack of Jedi that leads in well to the new films
all stuff for the Star Wars threads, though. just pick up that Vader book and watch him taking down entire groups of rebels
― mh, Thursday, 15 June 2017 01:33 (six years ago) link