the alt-right

Well the alt-right version will certainly live on and the original is definitely preferable.

what a supreme headfuck for Matt Furie

article about alt-right talking points cropping up on Chinese social media

https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaliberties/chenchen-zhang/curious-rise-of-white-left-as-chinese-internet-insult

Seen from the perspective of international relations, the anti-baizuo discourse can be understood as part of what William A. Callahan calls ‘negative soft power’, that is, constructing the Chinese self through ‘the deliberate creation and then exclusion’ of Others as ‘barbarians’ or otherwise inferior. Criticisms of the ‘white left’ against the background of the European refugee crisis fit especially well with the ‘rising China’ versus ‘Europe in decline’ narrative. According to Baidu Trends, one of the most related keywords to baizuo was huimie: “to destroy”. Articles with titles such as ‘the white left are destroying Europe’ were widely circulated.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/torch-wielding-protesters-gather-at-lee-park/article_201dc390-384d-11e7-bf16-fb43de0f5d38.html

I kinda love how the various non-Spencer statue supporters are all 'we reject hate and white supremacy, no really'

Not really that surprising that ethnic nationalist ideas would find a home in the PRC

i want to say something about baizuo.

nationalistic far left (far left in the chinese context = chinese identity, territorial integrity, love the party, reform has ruined the country) thinking isn't rare on the chinese internet.
and this fits with much of pretty mainstream chinese political thought
ie.
- reforms from the left are the road to disaster (whether it's prague in 1968 or shenzhen in 1992 or washington in 2016),
- maybe william a. callahan is right but the west is decadent has been a frequent theme in crackdowns like the anti-spiritual pollution campaign that began in 1982 (there was criticism then too of focusing on "human rights" as something that could be disconnected from marxist-leninist economic thought, anti-baizuo is 2016 zhao ziyang) + the most recent party line banning textbooks and teaching that promotes “western values."

in 1982 and 2016-17 getting the people to get out against foreign decadence and reforms of capitalism from the left were related to political games/factions within the party fighting it out.

i think something like anti-baizuo is mostly the above with the added influence of online gaming shit talk and weaponized memes from alt right from the u.s.a./netto uyoku from japan. but nothing new really, i don't think. also kind of the same as frederick b.'s love of talking shit about american politics from northern europe, it's just a bit of internet fun.

that baizuo article was fascinating, glad to see it popped up here

In an academic-style essay that was retweeted more than 7000 times on Weibo, a user named ‘fantasy lover Mr. Liu’ ‘reviewed’ European philosophy from Voltaire and Marx to Adorno and Foucault, concluding that the ‘white left’ as a 'spiritual epidemic' is on its way to self-destruction. He then stated that Trump’s win was only “a small victory over this spiritual epidemic of humankind”, but “western civilization is still far from its self-redemption”. However ridiculous it may appear, the post is illustrative of how a demonized Other is projected onto seemingly objective or academic criticisms of the ‘white left’. Ultimately, the more the ‘white left’ – whatever it means – represent the fatal weakness of democracy, the more institutional and normative security the Chinese regime enjoys. The grassroots campaign against the ‘white left’ thus echoes the officially-sanctioned campaign against ‘universal values’, providing a negative evidence for the superiority of the Chinese self.

if this interp is correct, it's pretty fashy to me

grotesque or just seamless trolling?

Rhododendron • 2 days ago
I don't think you go far enough. I'm a Chinese-American, born and raised in the west, well versed in western culture and free from China's cultural climate. I despise liberal democracy, equality, and other retrograde values that the west seems to love.

The "white left" describes a phenomenon that goes beyond cultural barriers. People around the world have noticed that whites, at least northern/western Europeans, have a problematic level of compassion that overcomes rationality. This is why they believe that equality is a good thing, or that empathy is a substitute for actual politics.

One does not need to actually live in western society to realize that hierarchy and social inequity are the hallmarks of higher civilization, and that undue sympathy for the "little guy" is inherently damaging to the core (i.e. privileged) demographics that make up a nation.

Your criticism of the anti-baizuo movement is therefore lacking in global and historical context. Your assumption that racism or bigotry is a bad thing without further examination is surreal, and indicative of your own disconnect from the rest of humanity. The Chinese critics are right. The west is not a legitimate standard. It is not at all superior, morally or intellectually. The idea that people are/should be equals is a profound form of ignorance. Their ideas need to be challenged, undermined, and replaced.

Liberal democracy, and its accompanying values represent a small bubble created by the minds of white men. It is not normal, and rightly criticized by non-whites as the dangerous, backwards, emotionally incontinent ideology that it is. Its critics in China simply articulate it better than others.

As Chinese, you and I have a responsibility to change western countries from within so that they match the experiences of humanity in general. We should be pushing for moral and cultural reforms to normalize their countries, not buying into their failed ideas just because they "sound nice".

People around the world have noticed that whites, at least northern/western Europeans, have a problematic level of compassion that overcomes rationality.

Yup, that's our international reputation all right!

xp lol and that guy still can't catch a break from the nazi in the next column, who tells him to fuck off back to China.

some more investigation and i'm convinced that i mischaracterized anti-baizuo but this is... even less of a thing. the single english language source takes it more seriously than the few chinese language mentions outside of a small online community. 幻想狂劉先生 who also goes by der letzte kämpfer, the author of the essay quoted in the piece is representative: super into european fascism, posts a lot of pictures of swords and lists his relationship status as single. the essay is here: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4907084254

super into european fascism, posts a lot of pictures of swords and lists his relationship status as single.

so some things are globally universal, the irony

juicy!

https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousPAX

alt-right experiencing massive psychosis re seth rich atm

Yeah. But apparently a lot of bots involved as well. It's been trending like crazy since yesterday. Probably coordinated.

such a horrific situation.

r/the_d----d is going absolutely bonkers over it

What's happening?

super short version: a DNC staffer was murdered and some crackpot released a statement saying he was in contact with wikileaks before it happened. family denies it, fbi denies it, 4chan types are going down insane conspiracy theory paths because thats what they do.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/16/media/seth-rich-family-response-claims-of-wikileaks-contact/

Vince Foster did it

Fox News was all over that as well. Sigh.

The extremely dark thing is that they don't even care about the murder. I thought the story was big because the implication was that Hillary had some guy murdered, but they don't give a shit about that, the point is that it potentially absolves Russia for the hacking and leaking. It's so extremely ghoulish.

exactly - these are the same people who fantasize about murdering black people in the streets. I guess it's notable because what should have just been a Breitbart/Infowars level thing is now becoming a FOX News thing, which seems uh...significant

u just want to shake these morons but it's best just to observe and not intervene. prime directive.

Well, as long as they stay on their own little planet I kinda don't even want to observe. I spent a week in March writing an exposé of a 'researcher' who was making the rounds in the Danish film debate circles, without anybody looking at where he came from. So utterly exhausting just scrolling through pages and pages of hate and misogyny.

was it the same dude who did an 'study' that was essentially mining every okc user and publishing their sexual interests? that guy was danish.

emil kirkegaard

Didn't the dam separating Breitbart/Infowars from Fox News break some time ago? Genuinely asking.

Oh God, I'd forgotten about him. No, Emil doesn't care about culture. This guy wrote about frogs in the seventies, then got rejected by a woman and decided to use statistics to prove that women are evil. Old guy, PUAhater, all that stuff. Claims he can't be misogynistic because his a dancer.

the_donald is going full-on about this seth rich thing, still. Most recent thing is claiming there's a conspiracy to keep it out of the news, when, as you might be aware, Hilary isn't president, it's still a conspiracy theory, and oh yeah some other news is going on with this guy your subreddit is supposed to be about, how about that eh?

Meanwhile their mates have decided to do this to the transgender webcomic 'Assigned Male' for some reason;

http://i.imgur.com/iJkh2gl.jpg

From what I can tell the entire scenario is a Fox News closed loop: FNC contributor encouraged the Rich family to hire Wheeler, another FNC contributor, who was the source for the bombshell report that they ran, except that he now says that all his Wikileaks-related info came from the Fox reporter who interviewed him.

Wikileaks also retweeted the story without comment, but Wikileaks's retweets have been pretty trolly for oh about six months

The Podestas' "Spirit Cooking" dinner?
It's not what you think.
It's blood, sperm and breastmilk.
But mostly blood.https://t.co/gGPWFS3B2H pic.twitter.com/I43KiiraDh

— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) November 4, 2016

Wikileaks twitter now saying that Mueller sold uranium to the Russians, conveniently forgets to mention it was a sting operation

sorry guys i know it seems weird to bring it up after hilary murdered a dude but i translated the academic-style essay in chenchen zhang's white left thing and you can read my hot take on it too: https://medium.com/@dylanleviking/a-translation-and-a-few-brief-notes-on-the-anti-white-left-c75012fafbe0

oh wow - thanks! that looks awesome. will def read after work.

I really enjoyed reading that Dylan. I don't know the Chinese version but I think you managed to "preserve the overblown tone" alright ;)

thanks, dudes! the opendemocracy piece is getting HEAT on alt right sites, tremendous shares, huge, with nobody really getting that these chinese anti-white left guys are not people that hate refugees and gays (some of them do!) but are offering a mirror world version of far left criticisms of identity politics with more vitriol and authoritarianism. trump's win is a victory only because it drives a stake through the heart of the old left and should point the way toward true revolution.

thanks for this dylann. this dude's extremely condensed, profane run-down of european intellectual history is hilarious.

it's... weird how he takes a bunch of artists and writers like oscar wilde, van gogh, and maupussant and lumps them all in together as part of a decadent "white left," as if these people formed some sort of movement that was self-consciously opposed to radical marxism.

i guess they are just avatars of "decadent" liberalism but still. this is a problem i have had with some western marxists too btw -- they minimize everyone to a specific role in a game of toy soldiers that exists only in their head.

usually they know better than to make fascist sounding claims about modernist art being a spiritual plague tho.

i'll finish reading the piece before i post again.

this week i was listening to a shitty thrash metal band from wuhan named "skullcrusher". they cover "orgasmatron", "die by the sword", "we are 138"... and "guilty of being white". fuck knows what that song means to them.

http://p.weibo.com/show/channerWbH5/1034:dddb6896993ee9fa6e231d147edfcc52

tucker on baizuo

http://youtu.be/LjzWwM9Y9zg

really breaks it down

Just thinking about a similarity with British lads magazines and 4chan style cruel humour.

Always found it confusing how much lads magazines featured violent injuries/death and extreme deformity. I was never quite sure what to make of it but it did seem partially like you were supposed to laugh at horrible misfortune.

It seemed even more out of place in Bizarre magazine (kind of a goth/emo/punk Suicide Girls style magazine), even considering how the readership would be into more morbid stuff generally.

Always found those freak book scenes in Curb Your Enthusiasm quite disturbing for this. Maybe Larry intended to make himself look awful or maybe he really finds things like that funny?

dylannn sucks