paramore - after laughter - recording and anticipation

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i doubt this'll get mewithoutyou any new fans but if any of y'all like "no friend" and are unfamiliar i highly recommend getting into mewithoutyou

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link

i think that will be youwithoutme tbh

del esdichado (NickB), Friday, 12 May 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link

Otm about the Brand New Eyes feel

Also about mewithoutyou being very good

Evan R, Friday, 12 May 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link

Really digging this, especially the first half.
The '80s pop revivalism doesn't bother me at all here, cuz that guitar player has it FIGURED OUT how the jerky arpeggios of brittle new wave relate to African high life guitar

bunny slopes, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link

i.e. he's studied his English Beat

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 May 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link

lol, I definitely gave Special Beat Service a spin in the last week.

how's life, Friday, 12 May 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link

hard times

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link

Gif or gtfo

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 May 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link

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devvvine, Friday, 12 May 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link

Bought this irl at Target today, so now I own one CD. Still haven’t listened to the full album though.

the ghost of markers, Friday, 12 May 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link

Really loving this new Paramore album 'After Contra'.

Tim F, Saturday, 13 May 2017 00:11 (six years ago) link

Heh. (Listening now.)

the ghost of markers, Saturday, 13 May 2017 00:14 (six years ago) link

I really enjoy this. Not sure about "No Friend" but it doesn't bother me. Am I making too much of their Nashville connection, or is there a bit of a modern country vibe on some of these choruses? Thinking Fogiveness, Fake Happy, and 26.

brontosaur, Saturday, 13 May 2017 01:13 (six years ago) link

Pretty good first listen.

the ghost of markers, Saturday, 13 May 2017 03:15 (six years ago) link

enjoying "grudges" a whole lot

Sharkie, Saturday, 13 May 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link

btw is it me or is the production a bit muddy at points?

Sharkie, Saturday, 13 May 2017 13:49 (six years ago) link

oh PLEASE

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 May 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link

i thought this was one of the best produced pop records in years lol

J0rdan S., Saturday, 13 May 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link

"Forgiveness" is a wonder on earphones.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 May 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link

i thought this was one of the best produced pop records in years lol

Agreed - shiny as required but not nearly as aggressively mastered as most

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 13 May 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link

haven't been able to listen on headphones yet tbf (on living room speakers for now)

rose-colored boy is one of my favorite tracks at this point!

Sharkie, Saturday, 13 May 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link

I suspect Hayley has listened to ArtAngels a lot.

Tim F, Sunday, 14 May 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link

Love how "Forgiveness" never specified whether Hayley thinks the addressee actually deserves forgiveness or not - maybe recognising that the answer to that question may not be particularly relevant to their problem.

And I love the line "it could take me all your life to learn to love".

Tim F, Sunday, 14 May 2017 00:35 (six years ago) link

xp: yeah, there are definitely a few moments.

how's life, Sunday, 14 May 2017 00:37 (six years ago) link

there are a lot of great, quotable lines on this, moreso than on the s/t

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 14 May 2017 00:53 (six years ago) link

Agreed. Williams is in top form, and York and Farro match her.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 May 2017 02:46 (six years ago) link

btwn this and Kendrick I gather you just hate slow songs Alfred

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 14 May 2017 03:37 (six years ago) link

I'm impressed that Williams and York are the only credited writers. Not that I thought they were at all incapable, just that they didn't go the lazy (imo) Taylor Swift route and hire a ringer to make their transformation, just (like Haim) a really sympathetic and intuitive producer.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 May 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link

I don't see Swift's move as lazy: she wanted a sound and sought the writer/producers most capable of it.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 May 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link

btwn this and Kendrick I gather you just hate slow songs Alfred

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.)

ça dépend! I prefer the slowness on the eponymous album.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 May 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link

i think "tell me how" is the best closer they've ever done

which has reminded me that all of their closers are baseline incredible

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 14 May 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

I agree w/ that, and also both ballads on this are way preferable to idk "Hate to See Your Heart Break"

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 14 May 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link

Haha I was going to say "Tell Me How" is amazing but difficult for me to decide whether it's their best closer when "All I Wanted" exists ("and when the world treats you way too fairly..."), and I adore "Future" as well.

Love that "26" is so obviously a sequel to "Misguided Ghosts".

Tim F, Sunday, 14 May 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link

The York-Farro interplay in "Tell Me How" is on point.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 May 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link

"Future" is a pure novelty to me tbh, like it's neat that they did a post-rock song but I never actually get through it

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 14 May 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link

xpost I only think the Taylor Swift move was lazy because she was an established successful crossover songwriter herself (mediocre or no), but when she decided to go big she picked a team that would churn out hits whether she was involved or not. Like, they did not need her, they've written dozens of huge hits with little or no input from the artist. This Paramore album, though, I find it sort of inspiring (or something less strong) that the band itself (like the 1975, to an extent) proves so capable of big pop songs without relying on one of the usual suspects.

I'm not saying Swift's lazy move was wrong, as such. But I think music like Paramore and Haim has so much more personality - Aint It Fun, still, and Hard Times, they sound so refreshing - and I would have been interested in hearing Swift, had she not hired out for hits, try to do the same all by herself.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 May 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link

I don't know, it's just personal preference, but I find Max Martin so big, boxy and heavy handed - joyless, really - but stuff like this, Haim and the 1975 is so wonderfully light on its feet.

Second that I think her singing is great on this. Can't explain why, but I keep thinking of someone like David Byrne singing "Forgiveness" or "Hard Times."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 May 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link

Yeah. Comparing this to Hella Good, which this reminds me of DON'T AT ME - just underlines what an amazing singer she is

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 14 May 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link

Hayley's lyrics (and performance of them) are so declaratory that she's risk slipping into hectoring if her vocals weren't so endlessly nuanced and expressive.

Tim F, Sunday, 14 May 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link

The way the fluttering percussion and bass on "Forgiveness" slip into that steady pulse for the chorus is A+ devastating (-ly simple) pop craftsmanship.

Tim F, Sunday, 14 May 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link

yep

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 May 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link

I agree w/ that, and also both ballads on this are way preferable to idk "Hate to See Your Heart Break"

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, May 14, 2017 2:45 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Man idk, both these songs are great, but Hate to See Your Heart Break is sublime.

how's life, Monday, 15 May 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link

The way the fluttering percussion and bass on "Forgiveness" slip into that steady pulse for the chorus is A+ devastating (-ly simple) pop craftsmanship.

― Tim F, Sunday, May 14, 2017 6:49 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark

i believe an acoustic guitar comes in as well, and then i think a slight twang emerges in hayley's voice, and in my head it momentarily shapeshifts into an especially lush kacey musgraves song

J0rdan S., Monday, 15 May 2017 01:43 (six years ago) link

i like this, pretty cool. maybe a bit heavy on the fleetwood mac pastiche for me at times

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 15 May 2017 06:05 (six years ago) link

"Grudges" turns out to secretly be a real grower.

I think it seems weak at first because Hayley sits further back in the mix and sounds relatively anonymous-shiny (for her), but after xxxx number of listens I've decided this is an aesthetic decision intended to create this charming Haim meets School of Seven Bells effect.

Tim F, Monday, 15 May 2017 09:07 (six years ago) link

At my Best Buy on Saturday to buy some cables, I was told the Paramore album was sold out. Meanwhile I saw displays chock full of the Harry Styles album. It would be nice to think Paramore had a chance in hell at #1.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2017 10:22 (six years ago) link

I'm sure the store ordered a bigger truckload of Harry Styles albums to stock the shelves with though.

abcfsk, Monday, 15 May 2017 13:18 (six years ago) link

i believe an acoustic guitar comes in as well, and then i think a slight twang emerges in hayley's voice, and in my head it momentarily shapeshifts into an especially lush kacey musgraves song

― J0rdan S., Monday, May 15, 2017 1:43 AM (fifteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh good, I thought I was being crazy when I heard some modern country moves on the choruses of some of these songs. I guess, some of the broad strokes of the chord changes in the choruses that read Modern Country to me could just be 80s pop rock moves, but I am not sure if there is much difference between the distinction.

brontosaur, Monday, 15 May 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link

"Forgiveness" on repeat.

This is a great record about depression

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:29 (six years ago) link

choruses that read Modern Country to me could just be 80s pop rock moves, but I am not sure if there is much difference between the distinction.

this is like the first time i heard fearless and i thought half the choruses were rebranded mainstream emo

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link


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