Star Wars Anthology shit talk (Rogue One, Young Solo, TBD)

got around to seeing this where "this" == Rogue One

What's the best example of a film with good (define to suit) hero characters who all get killed off?

Think they could've both written and cast Jyn, Cassian and Galen (Mikkelsen only good as villains?) better but the rest were fine for what they get.

the one thing interesting about the only new villain was that he was a loser bureaucrat trapped in a system that uses people. which unfortunately helped to make the Empire itself seem maybe a little less menacing and less defined as an all-consuming threat.

the cardboard bad guys in the OT were fine enough imo

What's the best example of a film with good (define to suit) hero characters who all get killed off?

idk, Reservoir Dogs? Thelma and Louise? Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid?

Dr. Strangelove

Dunno abt "all,'' but a lot of the war movies this one thought it was borrowing from have very high body counts of likable characters - Dirty Dozen, Great Escape. See also Magnificent Seven and many disaster movies (though there a morality-play element favors death for the jerks and crooks, with a few nice folks sacrificed to up the stakes and keep you guessing).

how many are left at the end of Seven Samurai... two?

One trope they decisively avoided was having anybody talk about the small business they want to own & operate when they return alive and whole from the war. Presumably volunteer freedom fighters don't talk about such aspirational silliness until fascism is obliterated.

https://thefifiorganization.net/2014site/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/seven_fourgraves.jpg

what about silent running

"I've just bought my own X-Wing! I'm gonna call it 'the Live Forever'!"

The Black Hole might count, weirdly.

Dark Star

I learned to work Bantha leather from my uncle. When I get back I'm gonna start my own boot shop. Everyone who's anyone in the galaxy is gonna be wearin bantha boots made by me.

lol @ dark star

Black Hole doesn't count because SPOILERS!!! obviously they all go on to colonize a new universe, they remembered to bring a young lady and everything

https://ssl-cdn-media.tmz.com/2017/05/18/0518-star-wars-behind-scenes-launch-3.jpg

lol

Hmmmm

http://www.starwars.com/news/a-message-from-lucasfilm-regarding-the-untitled-han-solo-film

The untitled Han Solo film will move forward with a directorial change.

“Phil Lord and Christopher Miller are talented filmmakers who have assembled an incredible cast and crew, but it’s become clear that we had different creative visions on this film, and we’ve decided to part ways. A new director will be announced soon,” said Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm.

“Unfortunately, our vision and process weren’t aligned with our partners on this project. We normally aren’t fans of the phrase ‘creative differences’ but for once this cliché is true. We are really proud of the amazing and world-class work of our cast and crew,” stated Phil Lord and Christopher Miller.

The untitled Han Solo film remains scheduled for a May 2018 release.

That sucks

Yeah I honestly am trying to figure out both why this happened so late in the game and who in the world would be able to pick this up from here.

Weird. It says here the shooting is nearly finished.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-film-loses-directors-1015419

sounds like an Edgar Wright/Ant-Man situation

No, it doesn't. Wright left before production, such that Rudd and Reed had time to rewrite the shooting script. This has been shooting for four months.

Variety sez

The Han Solo film is still in production with several weeks of re-shoots planned for the summer — which have long been planned.

also it kinda reads like Variety ran that story by Disney first and one of the inside hacks added that em dash with the repetitive choice of verb

Going in for a wild guess here: They were left to work on their own for a good chunk of the shooting process ---Kennedy decided to come in late to watch the work done up until then and flipped out.

Somehow I feel these Disney execs would be better off hiring hack directors they can handhold through the process and get that product out.

i'm 99% of the time on the side of the creatives, but i gotta admit that quality control for the MCU and recent Star Wars films so far has been shockingly good

Do not hesitate. Show no mercy. Only then will you be strong enough to save Padmé.

this seems like a bad sign. on the other hand I guess there were significant reshoots and changes to Rogue One and that turned out great; but still, this movie sounds like it's essentially in the can. what are they going to do in editing and reshoots? and what was so bad about what they did? I can only imagine there was too much toilet humor.

And hm again

https://deadline.com/2017/06/ron-howard-han-solo-star-wars-movie-replace-phil-lord-christopher-miller-directors-1202117289/

Deadline hears that Ron Howard has emerged as front-runner to replace Phil Lord & Christopher Miller on the untitled Han Solo Star Wars spinoff film. Disney dropped a shocker this afternoon with the announcement that the duo exited a picture that has been in production since February at London’s Pinewood Studios. This after an inability to recover from creative rifts with Lucasfilm chief Kathleen Kennedy and screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan. The latter has been mentioned as possible to step in, but I’m putting my money on Howard.

More here too (click through for full thread)

FWIW the Han Solo story I've heard from a variety of sources keeps returning to one thing: reshoots

— Mike Sampson (@mjsamps) June 21, 2017

in retrospect it's surprising that the Rian Johnson one is even happeming

*ba dum tish*

::the Millennium Falcon approaches a Star Destroyer::
HAN: I have a good feeling about this.
RON HOWARD V.O.: He didn't. https://t.co/hrhpkPQ1fH

— Tom Brennan (@Brennanator) June 21, 2017

Kasdan stepping in to oversee reshoots would be almost the exact analogue to what happened with Rogue One

They need to think outside the box. They should offer the director's chair to Harrison Ford.

I nominate Neil Breen

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-kathleen-kennedy-director-fired-1202473919/

Miller and Lord were stunned to find that they were not being granted freedom to run the production in the manner that they were accustomed to. They balked at Kennedy’s tight control on the set.

A person with knowledge of the production said that the chemistry between the directors and Kennedy was never right.

“It was a culture clash from day one,” the source said. “She didn’t even like the way they folded their socks.”

The source said that while Lord and Miller were supposedly hired for their vision and distinctive brand of filmmaking when it came to the “Star Wars” production, Kennedy did not approve of their shooting style and process of interacting with actors and crew. “They weren’t given the leeway to do what they had to do,” the source said.

The duo also clashed with Kasdan, who has been an integral creative part of several “Star Wars” movies, dating back the the 1980 “The Empire Strikes Back.” Like Kennedy, he questioned many of the pair’s directing choices.

“Kathy, her team and Larry Kasdan have been doing it their way for a very long time. They know how the cheese is made and that’s how they want it made,” said the source. “It became a very polarizing set.”

and a bit more

Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that the style and vision of Lord and Miller clashed with that of Lawrence Kasdan, the legendary screenwriter behind the classics Empire Strikes Back and ‪Raiders of the Lost Ark, who also wrote, with his son, Jon Kasdan, the script for the Han Solo stand-alone set (for now) to be released in 2018.

Lord and Miller (21 Jump Street, The Lego Movie) have a comedic sensibility and improvisational style while Kasdan favors a strict adherence to the written word — what is on the page is what must be shot.

The creative clash, according to one insider, also came down to differences in understanding the character of Han Solo. “People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,” said that source.

The friction was felt almost immediately when the movie began shooting in February, sources say, but the directors always thought it could be worked through. Kennedy, the producer and head of Lucasfilm, decided to back her lifelong colleague, who shaped much of Solo’s character in Empire and ‪Return of the Jedi and who had a specific tone in mind for the new movie. The duo also didn’t feel they had the support of producer Allison Shearmur, who was acting as Lucasfilm’s representative on the London set.

Lord and Miller, who had relocated to London with their families for preproduction and production of the movie, were said to have been blindsided by the firing, which they learned about Monday, according to one source, although another disputed that account.

The production had gone on a short hiatus to review what had been shot and to clear the air.

I've loved Star Wars movies since I was 7 in '77, but this whole circus and the reverence with which this fictional world is treated as if its elements were relics of the True Cross, is hilarious.

“People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,”

This is otm tho.

I would've thought it's possible for a personality to be all three.

I'm having visions of a Dukes Of Hazzard / Baywatch take on things....

lord and miller's movies so far have a pretty specific tone - i don't understand why you'd hire them if that wasn't what you wanted

Part of me feels for them and the other part says "Thank God they fired these bros."

Lord & Miller's involvement was the only thing about this stupid idea that made it seem vaguely interesting tbh

lord and miller? bros? did i miss something?

21 jump street maybe?

22 jump street?

I hope that Kennedy and Kasdan leave in the scene where Han Solo tries his hand at slam poetry.

still IA that this film will "explain how he got his name" as if he is a Superhero and he will have a "real" name that isn't Han Solo which is great bc that is what you want from a movie about Han Solo, an actor who isn't Harrison Ford playing a character that isn't named Han Solo (yet!)

21 jump street goes out of its way to establish that the main characters are good-hearted but clueless doofuses and that the various textbook dorks and jerks they interact with at school are largely good people too - very little of that fits my conception of classic bro cinema but clearly ymmv

meanwhile cloudy with a chance of meatballs remains one of the most effortlessly inventive and genuinely trippy mainstream movies in recent memory