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I sorta felt like Jonathan Hickman was going to try and explain this in S.H.I.E.L.D., but then he never finished it.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 10:20 (six years ago) link

The members of Agents of Atlas are mostly from the '50s. Plus they've retconned plenty of characters into that era ('50s Avengers, Byrne's Lost Generation).

human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 10:21 (six years ago) link

imo it's easier to gloss over the difficulties in how your near-ageless characters relate to humans when they're also the gorilla man

mh, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 13:32 (six years ago) link

Isn't it, Captain America is perpetually World War II guy, and that's fine, you just update his defrost date, then at some point Sharon will have to be Peggy's grandchild or whatnot.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link

only one solution: freeze Sharon

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link

seriously though, Agents of Atlas did some smart moves on the ageless character front. a robot, a guy from uranus, a goddess, gorilla dude, all of them are divorced enough from humanity it all just works

mh, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link

I'm sorry, a guy from where

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link

oh, you know

fwiw he was Marvel's original "Marvel Boy" and he now goes by... The Uranian

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Grayson_(Earth-616)

mh, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link

Uranian? Hallelujah.

human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Was not aware of this fellow, but sounds like a respectful "R.I.P." is in order: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-galton-dead-marvel-president-ceo-was-92-1012944

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link

Nah, corporate hack who appears to have had little or no creative/aesthetic vision, did zilch for creator's rights during his time at Marvel and presided over the artistic decline of the Shooter era.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link

the direct market was an idea that worked really well for a while, until it completely wrecked so many things

mh, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link

as far as release day comics go...

I have the feeling that Jason Aaron is having a lot of fun with this Star Wars book

mh, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link

I didn't know Aaron was doing Star Wars.... he's so great with Thor. I've never read an SW comic, even tho I enjoy the motion picture property (like the rest of Gen-X humanity).

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link

Star Wars is quite good - Kieron Gillen's Darth Vader is excellent though.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link

I think out of the half dozen or so series maybe only one has been mediocre. I have Charles Soule some flack before but combined with the right artist (Alex Maleev) on Lando he's ok!

Really I think the really middling to bad art on the Dark Horse stuff is what kept me away from Star Wars comics in the past

mh, Thursday, 15 June 2017 00:04 (six years ago) link

I'm told that none of that old stuff is SW "canon" any longer, anyway... (for what that's worth, probably not much).

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Thursday, 15 June 2017 01:17 (six years ago) link

quite a bit, actually! they're doing really well with keeping things in line with all the nu-canon, and while some of the material released (looking at a certain book series here) feels a little like it's connecting dots between dictated points, there are references between the books, comics, television and movies that make sense

I think a couple of the main departures have been Luke seeking out Jedi ephemera in the space between the original films, and the post-original trilogy lack of Jedi that leads in well to the new films

all stuff for the Star Wars threads, though. just pick up that Vader book and watch him taking down entire groups of rebels

mh, Thursday, 15 June 2017 01:33 (six years ago) link

The photo-referencing on Larocca's art is getting out of hand. Every panel looks like a bad papaerback. it's like he's a whole new, much worse artist since Dath Vader ended.

Also for some reason the redhead baddie has exactly the same facial features as an ex and it's freaking me out.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 15 June 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link

it's because salvador is "referencing" your ex if you get my drift ;)

mh, Thursday, 15 June 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link

kudos to Jason Aaron on taking Thor back up another notch

mh, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link

Thanks for the cue. Best issue in a long while. Feel like it's been a bit snoozy since Secret Wars.

I've never had this with an artist before - I love Dauterman's art, and he's a good storyteller, but his panel layouts are fucking annoying.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 23 June 2017 10:08 (six years ago) link

I'm not a fan of the "bokeh" effect employed sometimes in the "Thor" artwork -- but I assume that is more likely the work of the "color artist," Matthew Wilson (rather than Dauterman).

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Saturday, 1 July 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link

i wondered if that had a term for it. thought of it as cheesy motion blur

Nhex, Saturday, 1 July 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link

Guess that is how it manifests on the most recent cover (blur of hammer in downward motion). Thought I noticed it before more as a "depth of field" / camera-out-of-focus effect. Either way, it looks fake and, indeed, cheesy.

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link

This was a very good issue, btw (#20). The parallels being drawn with the war in Syria were clear, but effective (and affecting) -- not always the case with such "torn from the headlines" maneuvers.

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Monday, 3 July 2017 04:41 (six years ago) link

One other note -- I actually agree with sentiments of the final letter in the letterpage (from "Kevin in Columbus, OH"): as great as this series has been, Thor/Foster is not as richly developed a character as the hero of a series usually is. (Think I said something similar above.) The assoc. editor sort of brushes it off, saying "Jane's cancer has been a theme since issue #1"... I assume she's not suggesting that giving a character cancer is a substitute for depth/complexity(!), but is rather saying that Jane's struggle against her disease should be providing what Kevin is asking for (character development via "overcoming an adversary"). Regardless, I just wish Jane's personality came through more strongly. Especially in a book with so many strong (Asgardian) personalities, Thor tends to fade into the background of her own book.

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Monday, 3 July 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link

Yep agree. Aaron doesn't write Jane as well as he writes regular Thor, or even Roz.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 3 July 2017 13:03 (six years ago) link

imo Jane-as-Jane is harder to write -- Roz is the charismatic, sarcastic secret agent, Jane is holding on for dear life to that hammer and thinks, for some reason, that she needs to have both human frailty and act as Thor, and I feel like that's been leaned on a little heavily

the whole ongoing bit with the history of mjolnir and her special relationship with the hammer has been pretty good

mh, Monday, 3 July 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link

imo the letter you mentioned (and to an extent, the response) are kind of garbage in that the response just mentions the cancer, and the letter itself never directly states it but has the implication "hey, I like this, but if Jason Aaron wants to sell why a WOMAN is Thor then he's doing a disservice by not making her character more compelling"

as if a woman has to be twice as enigmatic as a main character in order to sell the fact there's a female lead, and to justify it. no one's going to say "why does <censored> get to be the War Thor?"

the reason Jane Foster is Thor is pretty simple -- Thor lost the hammer because deep down, he believed the enemy in that Godkiller storyline was right -- the gods do not deserve their status because they can't fulfill their responsibilities

Jane deserves the hammer because she's completely devoted to the job, and does it with humility. it's lot of fun to be Thor, boast and preen, but she's the anti-hubris Thor

mh, Monday, 3 July 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link

I read the letter more as saying, "When this particular woman character is only *half* as charismatic as a typical lead (male or female), you guys run the risk of seeming like you just 'checked a box' by making her Thor, and didn't feel the need to do the usual work of developing her personality...."

But I don't want to put words in "Kevin's" mouth, or really argue this particular point. I don't think Aaron is sexist or anything; and Jane as Thor is great, without any need for "justification." I just wish I "knew her better"...

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link

(But I do also get the logic of the retort, "Would you be saying the same thing if it were a male 'replacement' character with an allegedly underdeveloped personality?")

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 02:26 (six years ago) link

they should give her an angry dad

mh, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 02:37 (six years ago) link

Or, in the Mighty Marvel tradition, a Troubled Past that she is Working To Leave Behind Her...

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 03:20 (six years ago) link

I'm reading THE SAVAGE SHE-HULK #1 (Feb. 1979)... Stan the Man (and an uncredited letterer) get things off a crackling start by doubling up on the "(UN)TIL TODAY" schtick in the first panel of pg. 1:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEBm_5jWsAIfS_e.jpg:small

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Thursday, 6 July 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link

(Also -- "a monster a'borning!"? Stan must have been eating a ham salad sandwich with one hand, and approving promo Spidey merch with the other, as he scribbled this script between bites. Not long afterward, Banner gives Jessica a blood transfusion at her kitchen table; which is pretty badass of Dr. David/Bruce/Bob.)

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Thursday, 6 July 2017 05:03 (six years ago) link

(Sorry, *Jennifer* -- I tend to get her name mixed up with Lucille Bluth's)

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Thursday, 6 July 2017 05:05 (six years ago) link

several years late, but damn, Unbeatable Squirrel Girl is the bee's knees

Nhex, Thursday, 6 July 2017 08:28 (six years ago) link

You guys, I must correct the record -- Bruce doesn't perform the self-to-cousin transfusion in Jennifer's kitchen. I cleared failed to read the text with Talmudic attention. Instead, he observes a "doctor's shingle" at the house next door, and breaks in to find the necessary equipment. (For a sort of Self-No-Prize, the doctor next door does remain a plot point in subsequent issues.)

Issue #2 finds the series' permanent creative team coming on board - David Anthony Kraft (w) / Mike Vosburg (p). The plot of said issue is absolutely gonzo; one of those "Whatever, the kids won't notice" '70s storylines driven by absurd coincidences, impossible events, and improbable character choices. It is fun, though!

Flipping ahead in this fat collection (Essential Savage She-Hulk, Vol. 1), I am struck by how radically Vosburg's art appears to change over the next few years... his line seems to become much more "mature" / refined. Stay tuned for (hopefully no further) updates!

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link

David Anthony Kraft wrote a beloved-by-young-me issue of the defenders which was literally just the defenders and the zodiac beating the shit out of each other from cover to cover

or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:16 (six years ago) link

I just went poking around for that on Marvel Unlimited. Was it one of the issues between 48 - 50? Looks like they have those on the service because of a Scorpio plot

It’s not really comics related, but every time I use the MU app I’m tempted to see if they still have a software developer/architect position listed (they did at one point) for their service because I have a guess of why it takes so long to load issues and I have some ideas about how to alleviate it.

mh, Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link

Issue 50

or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:47 (six years ago) link

excellent, thanks

mh, Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:56 (six years ago) link

Also -- "a monster a'borning!"? Stan must have been eating a ham salad sandwich with one hand, and approving promo Spidey merch with the other, as he scribbled this script between bites.

Stan used this "a'borning" construction several times, it's also in some Galactus origin story in Thor towards the end of the Kirby run

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link

So funny. Merriam-Webster has an entry for "aborning"; but it's an adverb that seems to be used differently: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aborning

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Thursday, 6 July 2017 23:09 (six years ago) link

(Sorry, *Jennifer* -- I tend to get her name mixed up with Lucille Bluth's)

― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp),
Or Spider-Woman's.

Mike Dixn, Thursday, 6 July 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link

"Jessica" and "Jennifer" definitely big '70s names.

Interestingly, Wikipedia sez that She-Hulk was the last character that Stan Lee created (until "Ravage 2099," in '92).

face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Thursday, 6 July 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link

You guys, I'm starting to think that Stan Lee makes up words that he thinks sound impressive!

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 July 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link

his grammar is a'borning

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 6 July 2017 23:43 (six years ago) link


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