agreed, bar scene was just top notch
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
this show is a masterclass in basically everything it touches, what a marvel
and to think it's a spinoff about walter white's corny-ass drug lawyer, i mean the million ways this could have been trash, and yet
― Clay, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 20:25 (six years ago) link
imo the bar scene gets at why Jimmy is a grifter at heart, other than the fact he's compelled to do so by his personality -- he really has a deep disdain for some people and grifting them is how he feels self-worth
― mh, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link
Good point. Jimmy's definitely got something to prove, both to himself and other people
― paolo, Thursday, 25 May 2017 07:47 (six years ago) link
mhm
― k3vin k., Friday, 26 May 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
Rhea Seehorn's performance is such a fantastic course correction from the underwritten/poorly acted female roles in BB, they should give her all the Emmys. that bar scene oof.
final scene in the insurance office was so sad, just seeing Jimmy go from self-pitying to ruthlessly vindictive in such a manipulative way.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 26 May 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
did this take a break this week?
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
Yep.
― In the words of Boltair (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
damn
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
next ep on on Monday, June 5
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
Rhea Seehorn's performance is such a fantastic course correction from the underwritten/poorly acted female roles in BB
Underwritten and underdeveloped, absolutely, but I don't think any of them were poorly acted. Anna Gunn did a fine job with the material she was given, Betsy Brandt a terrific one. And I think by season 5 they were taking steps in the right direction - Lydia was both a great character and a great performance. But even in BCS to this point it's pretty much just Kim - would be wonderful if they brought out some fully realized female characters besides her and the returning Lydia.
― Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
i went to a screen of tonight's episode over the weekend + a talk with Michael McKean and Peter Gould (co-creator) with Matt zoller-seitz mediating.
This episode is pretty amazing. Only one spoiler because they discussed the post work on it: the slipping jimmy bit is a mix of CGI, odenkirk and stuntman... astonishing work!
Lots of great conversation about the show too. Gould said that the relationship between jimmy and chuck was born out of Robert and Charles Crumb... hence chuck's name!
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 5 June 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
Nacho's pill swap last night was about as close as this show has come to Breaking Bad-level tension ratcheting.
― Trockasturm Hoar The Ramming Battle Ceraton (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 10:22 (six years ago) link
Lydia was nowhere near as interesting or developed a character as Skyler. I can't really even remember much to her other than 'jittery and suddenly in way over her head'. Kim's a good character but the show could have benefited from developing some of the characters around Mike - his daughter-in-law is barely developed beyond a sort of vague 'she who must be protected' thing.
Enjoyed this most recent one, the pill swapping scene was indeed extremely tense - the show could use more Nacho in general. It still feels like two or three different shows sitting alongside each other though.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link
xpost that's cool re: Crumbs!
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link
- his daughter-in-law is barely developed beyond a sort of vague 'she who must be protected' thing.
I agree with this. For a while there I thought she was deliberately scamming him to get much nicer accommodation for her and her daughter. Would've been more interesting, I think.
― trishyb, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 14:41 (six years ago) link
I still think she was doing that.
― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
We're so cynical.
― trishyb, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
I do think there's at least a degree of that going on. Keep in mind that we still haven't seen what leads to their eventual estrangement.
― Prince & the Yearbook Committee - '2cool2B4gotten' b/w 'LYLAS' (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
To clarify, I don't think it's a capital-s, Slippin' Jimmy-esque 'scam'. Just your garden variety instance of someone seeing an opening and taking a little more advantage than is necessary.
― Prince & the Yearbook Committee - '2cool2B4gotten' b/w 'LYLAS' (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
okay, now that we're past the episode airing: the pratfall with odenkirk is NOT him taking the fall even though you see his face turn to the camera and walk away and then hit the ground. really seamless digital fx imo
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
I like how like half the people in this world are actual geniuses
― K-hole MacLachlan (wins), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link
Like walt's incredible problem-solving skills are only a match for... mike gus jimmy kim nacho & chuck
― K-hole MacLachlan (wins), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
(oh and hank)
― K-hole MacLachlan (wins), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link
― Trockasturm Hoar The Ramming Battle Ceraton (Old Lunch), Tuesday, June 6, 2017 6:22 AM (seventeen hours ago)
i was literally hiding inside my shirt!
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 June 2017 03:46 (six years ago) link
otm about hank. btw i watched this episode with, for the first time, my roommate, and we discovered we're the only 2 people in the world who like hank howard
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 June 2017 03:47 (six years ago) link
hank AND howard
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 June 2017 03:50 (six years ago) link
no way, because i like them both! as characters, at least. the guy who plays howard does a fantastic job in bcs
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 03:54 (six years ago) link
we both agreed that howard was a decent guy, in the show's world
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 June 2017 03:56 (six years ago) link
he's definitely not a bad guy according to the standards of behavior of his firm. almost all of the main bcs characters have some sort of family issue driving them or influencing them, or at least a friendship. but howard is just this elite law firm guy. that's his entire world. it's sad that it sort of seems like chuck might be his only "friend", and even that is on a very professional level. he's surrounded by elite cutthroats, and within that context he often seems to act more humanely than he's expected to.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link
yeah he's a snob and a douchebag but he has integrity
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 June 2017 04:20 (six years ago) link
the jacket scene was amazing - sort of goes to the heart of the show, and their willingness to make great scenes above all else. i mean it prob would have been a lot easier to just wait until don hector goes to the bathroom or something, but fuck that.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 10:04 (six years ago) link
I thought Don Hector was gonna notice something about Nacho dropping the pills in his jacket as a sort of reference to when he noticed out of the corner of his eye Walt poisoning Tuco's burrito in BB.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 10:37 (six years ago) link
nacho also could have changed the pills in the bathroom.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 10:43 (six years ago) link
they should have showed an "out of order" sign on the bathroom at the beginning of the scene to explain why he didn't use either of my ideas
spend a few episodes building up don hector's disgust towards anyone so weak as to take bathroom breaks while working
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:33 (six years ago) link
I still can't forgive Howard for sending Kim to work in the basement (I know HHM paid her tuition fees but still)
― paolo, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 13:15 (six years ago) link
loved both "no sit, please" exchanges in the restaurant. he treated her like a dog and she threw it back at him.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link
Howard definitely has his own douchey tendencies (see exchange in previous post), but it's important to keep in mind that his douchiest actions have been at Chuck's behest.
― Sir Isaac Gluten (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
this does feel like 4 or 5 different shows at the moment, and while I enjoy each plotline to varying degrees I hope at least a few of them get tied together by season's end
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
Chuck's rehabilitation is probably the most interesting development
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
like what if he turns over a new leaf, gets better, tries to make amends w Jimmy and Jimmy just crucifies him out of spite
Kinda feel like Chuck is only interesting in how he relates to Jimmy, I don't really care about his rehabilitation as a plotline but I am interested in more career fratricide or petty revenge.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
It would be totally credible for Hank to turn up in this next season though, right?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
I was thinking that exact thing a couple of weeks ago when Hector's truck got busted. One of the few BB regulars whose appearance wouldn't feel shoehorned in at this point in the narrative.
― Sir Isaac Gluten (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
was wondering if the "rhymes with mug mealer" guy was a BB minor character? I didn't recognize him
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
hank is kinda busy with claws right now
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
Poor Kim. As soon as the scene started, it was obvious where it was going, but it was still pretty heartbreaking. The editing to indicate what had happened was perfect.
Every episode has one or two shots that are so audacious they make me laugh out loud, like shooting Mike straight up from under Lydia's desk.
― Mr. Crackpots (WilliamC), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 13:44 (six years ago) link
I think that the answer to how Jimmy and Kim fall out is now past the hinting around phase. They just seem to be on two completely different tracks now.
Howard thinking that Chuck had sent over his resignation letter, though, are you kidding me? Of course he's suing them!
― mh, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
jimmy's low-level sleaze really moving up to a higher degree of unpleasant manipulativeness than i think we've seen before here
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link