Trump, June 2017: From [Covfefe] with Love

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Sanpaku OTM. Trumpbase's material concerns are being put through a wood chipper and they don't care.

a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link

well he's "shakin' things up"!

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link

it's about addressing people's material concerns in a credible way.

WilliamC otm, Trump's core supporters don't process their material concerns in a way that reflects their politics.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link

or rather their political positions don't reflect their material concerns

Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link

Did u miss the part where I wasn't talking about Trump's "core supporters"

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link

I'm talking about the millions and millions of people who feel (correctly, I think) alienated from the mainstream American political process and don't bother participating as a result

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link

Yeah, even I took Simon's comment to mean that there are votes to be won among the 45% of turned-off nonvoters The Trumpoids won't be convinced by any means anyways so why try

kajagoogoo's kazooist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link

DJP blowing up the moulton.house.gov uniques

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link

When thousands of small manufacturers closed factories in small town USA and moved operations to places like China and Mexico, many of the workers decided it was all the fault of the Chinese and Mexicans.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link

i can't wait for trump's reality show style countdown to 3pm EST - will he decide to shit all over the world again? will some rich guy convince him not to do it? who will be the last person to whisper in his ear? has he learned anything about why coal mining jobs are disappearing? will he share his discovery of natural gas from earlier this morning? will he refer to climate change as a conspiracy so far reaching that it involves nearly all scientists who have worked on the issue PLUS china, but somehow all evidence of this globalist plot involving tens or even hundreds of thousands of people has been buried (by the lying fake news?!!?!)!?!?!?!?!!? ALL THIS AND MORE AT 3PM EST, sign up for a 3-day free hulu trial to watch live and we'll send you a climate change barf bag!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link

BREAKING: Former FBI director James Comey to testify before Senate Intel next THURSDAY, June 8, at 10 a.m.

— Seung Min Kim (@seungminkim) June 1, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link

When thousands of small manufacturers closed factories in small town USA and moved operations to places like China and Mexico, many of the workers decided it was all the fault of the Chinese and Mexicans.

I wonder if this might have something to do with the lack of class awareness in American society leaving people inventing foreign boogeymen

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link

You think the hearings are going to be a summer-long thing like Iran-Contra or something where it's just on in the background for months?

You wander into the lunch room to grab a snack and notice on the flatscreen there's yet another tie-wearing grimaced white dude talking in a mic behind some chyron and a scroll

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link

I wonder if this might have something to do with the lack of class awareness in American society leaving people inventing foreign boogeymen

pretty sure that stoking the flames of xenophobia in the face of domestic hardships is a common move throughout the world and history

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link

^ Chapter eight in the Oligarchic Best Practices Handbook.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link

pretty sure that stoking the flames of xenophobia in the face of domestic hardships is a common move throughout the world and history

Well, yeah. Hence the need to counter it with something more effective than centrist sloganeering.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link

Sorry, this is the Trump thread, not the new left policy thread, I'll shut up now

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link

Just FYI, this is what gives us "we spend too much time talking about race" thinkpieces from the racist left.

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link

I've become pessimistic about this Russia inquiry.

I don't think the disinformation campaign was as organized and targeted as Hillary claimed in that recent interview. All the "fake news" was just following the lead of right wing narratives about the Clintons that had been going on for decades. Russia would not need the help of Cambridge Analytica to make certain kinds of stories go viral among this audience.

I do agree with her that this stuff had an effect. Many voters probably did stay home because they were confused and thought she was about to be arrested or whatever. This sucks but does it indicate "collusion"? How much of what Russia did -- outside the hacks themselves -- was original and how much was just using bots to amplify stories that were circulating on their own? Also how much of the disinformation was from russia and how much was profit driven?

I want Clinton to be right and for Trump to get carted off to jail but it just doesn't seem like a plausible reading of the events to me.

Treeship, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link

xposts
not to say that simon's wrong, just that it's not unique to americans. one of the reasons it's a classic move is that it often works. people aren't just empty shells ready to receive evil directions from their political leaders; there's something in us that craves a scapegoat.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link

Wonder how long Spicer is going to remain loyal. After not being allowed along on the papal visit how many more mistweets is he going to defend.
JUst caught up with last night's Chris Hayes which had the soundtrack to yesterday's press briefing.
where he's left continually asking
Blake?
Blake?
Blake?
Blake?
Blake?

after being asked what the neologism meant.

Stevolende, Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link

Just FYI, this is what gives us "we spend too much time talking about race" thinkpieces from the racist left.

Huh?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link

Kanye West said he wanted to talk about "race and the idea of racism."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link

I guess this is as good a time as any to head to the TNC thread and talk about RL Stephens' piece.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link

http://www.newsweek.com/congress-investigates-another-possible-sessions-kislyak-meeting-cnn-618964

“I did not have communications with the Russians.”

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link

should be "those Russians" imo

Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link

I'm trying to stay pessimistic about the Russia stuff but there is just...so...much...there

frogbs, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link

CLinton was sucked by a mouth and he was impeached - Trump sucked the world dry and was let be.

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link

nah this is crippling his administration, with any luck it will drag on forever

Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link

please untype xp

Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link

lol

sleepingbag, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link

So...he's doing exactly what everyone predicted he would do.

On a conference call with Capitol Hill staffers ahead of the speech, White House energy policy adviser Michael Catanzaro confirmed that “the United States is getting out of the Paris agreement.” Trump, Catanzaro said, “will be open to and will immediately be looking for a better deal.” A source provided The Daily Beast with the call-in information. The process could be a lengthy one. Catanzaro said the administration will follow the steps for withdrawal laid out in the deal itself. “We will initiate the process, which, all told, takes four years in total. But we’re going to make very clear to the world that we’re not going to be abiding by what the previous administration agreed to.”

I love how "fuck you, Obama!" is such a broad governing principle - it covers every aspect of life!

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link

“will be open to and will immediately be looking for a better deal.”

what a fucking joke

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link

Born June 14, 1946 in New York, Donald Trump made a fortune in real estate, an empire that he inherited from his father and made fruit. Ex-animator televised, the businessman also has golf courses, a model agency, and a multitude of derivatives. The Republican is the favorite of his camp for the US presidential election of 2016. He has three children with his first wife, Ivana Zelníčková, a daughter with his second wife, Marla Maples, and a last son with his wife since 2005 , Melania Knauss."

he'' never get out of the paris match!
http://www.parismatch.com/People-A-Z/Donald-Trump

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link

just come out and say he doesn't think climate change is real. that's the reason. he's said it many times. that's what the people who voted for him think. just say it.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link

“will be open to and will immediately be looking for a better deal.”

wtf? The Paris climate accords include ~200 signatory nations, bucko. Who is going to give us this "better" deal?

And "better" how? "Better" because we are allowed to fuck up the planet worse than we could under the Paris agreement? How is a more fucked-up planet "better" for us?

esad

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link

just come out and say he doesn't think climate change is real.

I don't think he gives a fuck one way or the other. all he cares about are the optics: fulfilling a campaign promise, saying "fuck you" to Obama, taking a controversial position

Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link

the obligations under the paris "deal" that he's objecting to were going to be very easy to meet for the united states (in no small part due to natural gas displacing coal). it already was a good "deal" for the united states. if the actual goal was to help mitigate the chances of this world being even more of a shithole than it already is in the future, it wasn't nearly ambitious enough.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

it is anti-globalist, but in the worst possible way

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

Hoping that somebody more sensible will come in before the actual exit. But it's not a good place to be placing focus. Monetarising environmental disaster. Lovely.

Stevolende, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link

The Paris climate accords include ~200 signatory nations, bucko. Who is going to give us this "better" deal?

Some other, biglier planet, with better, classier countries. You'll see. Trust him.

I hear the ZXBr'Glrg Accord of Stardate 458.7x mandate gold toilets for everyone.

kajagoogoo's kazooist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link

"It'll be like we never even had a black president."

Beetle Juice continued to spit all over our drinks (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link

in 4 years we'll have a different president so there's that

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link

adding to the irony of all this is that the u.s., historically, has been one of the major dissenters to global climate agreements (on the opposite side of the negotiating spectrum from the island countries who we have fucked over), even to extent of watering down the language in the IPCC's reports, which must be unanimously approved. so we stick around long enough to water down the paris accord, and then promptly elect a fuckface and bail out of the agreement

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link

Yeah, so I'm absolutely never bringing children into this world. Go fucking die horribly, you petulant blob of shit.

Trockasturm Hoar The Ramming Battle Ceraton (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link

no children get to have recess until they play my rules. and my rules are that only kickball is allowed, and that i'm the only one who gets to kick it. you have to go chase it down and then let me kick it again. and give me a pretty smooth roll with just a few bumps. plus i get to cherry bomb it whenever i want.

*recess finally begins as sad children trudging out to once again retrieve the cherry-bombed USA ball wherever it goes*

uh i'm not into this deal. *takes ball and runs away*

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link

if this dumb recess story of mine ends as it should, all the other children will beat the living shit out of the usa after school

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link

if only someone would DARE Trump to stay in the agrement he may do it

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link


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