Sorry self xp
― Treeship, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
not really. only 22 GOP Senators signed that stupid letter
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
and majorities in EVERY STATE support staying in the agreement
yep
http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Politics-and-Global-Warming-November-2016-01.png
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link
he doesn't even pretend to be the president of all of us
he is only the president of everyone's stupid uncle who posts that dumb shit on facebook
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:27 (six years ago) link
But those coal miners are clinking their oxygen tanks together in toasts tonight!
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
this is so demented
― Treeship, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
Imagine if Trump visited a coal mine and it collapsed on him? That would be a fitting end.
― Evan, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
I confess to not understanding the apparently monumental nature of pulling out of the Paris Accord.
We will re-enter as early as 2021; in the intervening time, private investment will still turn more and more to sustainable sources, and at this point no amount of renewable green anything is anything more than a tourniquet; some kind of technological reversal solution is the only likely way to save life as we know it anyway.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, June 1, 2017 6:21 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark
agree
― 龜, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
it's what it represents, innit? the sheer old-fart fuck-you nihilism.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBRO6srWAAEmm_b.jpg
― Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
Silver lining: maybe it's almost time to start the Anglo-American Cultural Supremacy into the shitbin thread
or wait did we do that already and it was about something funny ha-ha instead of the actual wagon wheel going into history's mud
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:38 (six years ago) link
even if we end up going down some hail mary geo-engineering path, that will require global cooperation. even then, lowering emissions will still need to be a part of addressing climate change. it's insane for america to be the one country to try to undermine global solidarity on this issue.
― Treeship, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:40 (six years ago) link
Is this how we get to the utopian star trek future?
― Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
It won't go down without a fight.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:42 (six years ago) link
Agree with tb and Chinese symbol
Stevie, what dyou think wouldn't it be better all round just to ignore the old fuckers symbolism, it's ugly and all and obviously his having garnered enough pustules with voting rights to occupy the position is troubling but even moves as showily malevolent as this won't in the medium run achieve anything much at all
Good yanks just need to stay alive and healthy until 2018, and hope that whatever momentum the tea party at al managed to get up while Obama was in office will well and truly have worn off by that stage.
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
Yes. It is also insane to have a democracy that elects the less popular leader because "them's the rules!"
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
Nothing sane about democracy tbf
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:45 (six years ago) link
I wouldn't let a randomly selected quorum pick a fucking sandwich
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link
we're a democracy that enshrined the rights of a minority of white supremacists into our founding document, an error which we will never stop paying for
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link
So many xps on xps. Not following my own Zing pro tips
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
Sorry to stick with this people don't give a shit thought. I know I am reducing things, but I can only assume the vast majority of the millions that didn't vote did not do so because they were gerrymandered or otherwise restricted, they did it because they didn't care or didn't care to bother. I understand that by any reasonable metric Trump has been doing a terrible job and has terrible support, but by any reasonable metric he should not be president either.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
xp:Technically, geoengineering doesn't require cooperation, just persistence. A squadron of jet fighters with 20km+ ceilings could deposit enough sulfur aerosols, but they have to do it for roughly 500-1000 years, til 60% of emissions are dissolved in the oceans. Skip a few years, the albedo falls to normal and everyone experiences abrupt extreme climate change.
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
Josh, we all agree with you.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
The fact that anybody would vote Republican in this climate, and therefore tacitly endorse whatever Trump is doing, is sign enough that even if people do give a shit, millions upon millions of them give a shit about enacting horrible horrible policies. Which frankly is the not the kind of civic engagement I find hopeful. Like, re Russia, even if people are disturbed a huge hunk of them aren't disturbed enough to consider it more important than all the horrible things they want him to do. Given how terribly destroying the ACA or dropping out of the climate Accord poll, I don't even know what these people want from Trump.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link
Sorry, readily admit I am just ranting. Need to vent, so thanks for whatever patience you can afford me.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:56 (six years ago) link
Technically, geoengineering doesn't require cooperation, just persistence. A squadron of jet fighters with 20km+ ceilings could deposit enough sulfur aerosols, but they have to do it for roughly 500-1000 years, til 60% of emissions are dissolved in the oceans. Skip a few years, the albedo falls to normal and everyone experiences abrupt extreme climate change.― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, June 1, 2017 6:52 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, June 1, 2017 6:52 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Jesus Christ
― Treeship, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:58 (six years ago) link
Trump is like some idiot who promised to eat glass. And when everybody tells him, no, you don't have to eat glass, he says, I'm sorry, a promise is a promise.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:58 (six years ago) link
Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world.— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 1, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link
nah, trump is the guy who enforces the promise to eat glass on the idiot who agreed to it. then everybody's like "hey, it's ok. he doesn't really have to eat the glass" trump buckles down and insists that he must eat the glass.
imo
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
And then he eats glass himself anyway.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
i never hated anyone so much
― Treeship, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
he is making us eating the glass, rather.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:31 (six years ago) link
"trump makes us eat the glass while pruitt tonguefucks his ass", and 12 other family friendly songs, by gerald freedom with the true american patriot orchestra
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:35 (six years ago) link
Hitler lived when global population was 2 billion, and competed with Stalin. Trump may in fact become the most hated living person.
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
is this where somebody's supposed to say but the emails?
― Stevolende, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
but HER emails
good one tho
― j., Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
naomi klein:
NOW THAT IT SEEMS virtually certain that Donald Trump will withdraw the United States from the Paris climate accord, and the climate movement is quite rightly mobilizing in the face of this latest dystopian lurch, it’s time to get real about something: Pretty much everything that is weak, disappointing, and inadequate about that deal is the result of U.S. lobbying since 2009.The fact that the agreement only commits governments to keeping warming below an increase of 2 degrees, rather than a much safer firm target of 1.5 degrees, was lobbied for and won by the United States.The fact that the agreement left it to individual nations to determine how much they were willing to do to reach that temperature target, allowing them to come to Paris with commitments that collectively put us on a disastrous course toward more than 3 degrees of warming, was lobbied for and won by the United States.The fact that the agreement treats even these inadequate commitments as non-binding, which means governments apparently do not have anything to fear if they ignore their commitments, is something else that was lobbied for and won by the United States.The fact that the agreement specifically prohibits poor countries from seeking damages for the costs of climate disasters was lobbied for and won by the United States.The fact that it is an “agreement” or an “accord” and not a treaty — the very thing that makes it possible for Trump to stage his action-movie slow-mo walk away, world in flames behind him — was lobbied for and won by the United States.
The fact that the agreement only commits governments to keeping warming below an increase of 2 degrees, rather than a much safer firm target of 1.5 degrees, was lobbied for and won by the United States.
The fact that the agreement left it to individual nations to determine how much they were willing to do to reach that temperature target, allowing them to come to Paris with commitments that collectively put us on a disastrous course toward more than 3 degrees of warming, was lobbied for and won by the United States.
The fact that the agreement treats even these inadequate commitments as non-binding, which means governments apparently do not have anything to fear if they ignore their commitments, is something else that was lobbied for and won by the United States.
The fact that the agreement specifically prohibits poor countries from seeking damages for the costs of climate disasters was lobbied for and won by the United States.
The fact that it is an “agreement” or an “accord” and not a treaty — the very thing that makes it possible for Trump to stage his action-movie slow-mo walk away, world in flames behind him — was lobbied for and won by the United States.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
hilarious, in that context, to consider this part of trump's speech:
Even if the Paris Agreement were implemented in full, with total compliance from all nations, it is estimated it would only produce a 2/10 of one degree – think of that. This much….Celsius reduction in global temperature by the year 2100. Tiny tiny amount.
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/01/531090243/trumps-speech-on-paris-climate-agreement-withdrawal-annotated
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:51 (six years ago) link
Generally speaking, it's not good enough to vote against something (France excepted). You need to actually be promoting something worth believing in to get people to give a shit, and be at least semi-credible while doing it.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:52 (six years ago) link
It's telling that even with Le Pen running there was still 33.4% abstention when it came to that or voting for a centrist
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:53 (six years ago) link
did he say 2/10 because is sounded smaller than 1/5?
― nomar, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:54 (six years ago) link
he likes to divide everything up into tens because it's easier to visualize using his fingers
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:56 (six years ago) link
we're a democracy that enshrined the rights of a minority of white supremacists into our founding document, an error which we will never stop paying for― Οὖτις, Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:46 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:46 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
we're also the only democracy on the planet that still uses a constitution from the 18th century
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link
Nicaraguan businessman friend: "A group of us will ask Ortega to sign Paris Accord. Being in same group w/Trump is so damn embarrassing."— Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) June 1, 2017
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Friday, 2 June 2017 00:13 (six years ago) link
Russian environmentalists brand U.S. Green Party Putin 'accomplices'
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Friday, 2 June 2017 00:15 (six years ago) link
Oops, a bit dated, that.
― it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Friday, 2 June 2017 00:16 (six years ago) link
Jesus, EVERYTHING i read in the paper now is reminding me of Trump and Bannon...
"Astronomers said Thursday that they had felt space-time vibrations known as gravitational waves from the merger of a pair of mammoth black holes resulting in a pit of infinitely deep darkness weighing as much as 49 suns, some 3 billion light-years from here."
― scott seward, Friday, 2 June 2017 00:32 (six years ago) link
my (endangered) congressman:
The effects of pollution and climate change do not obey national or continental borders. This us vs them mentality makes 0 sense.— Carlos Curbelo (@carloslcurbelo) June 1, 2017
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 June 2017 00:32 (six years ago) link
That 2/10 bit was what I heard on NPR, I think I screamed obscenities and immediately afterward had a car nearly crash into me. I think unrelated but maybe the driver was just trying to help.
― JoeStork, Friday, 2 June 2017 00:38 (six years ago) link
As long as the defensive ring of accomplices are like 5-deep, I dig this:
Hundreds came together to support #IftarInTheStreets in #NYC this evening in front of Trump Tower. #Ramadan2017 pic.twitter.com/Mw2LuixhIn— Kyle O'Leary (@tkocreative) June 2, 2017
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Friday, 2 June 2017 01:53 (six years ago) link