jfc really? ugh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
i'm surprised when i see that one of these things runs under two hours, everyone wants to make these movies as long as Heat now.
― nomar, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
That seems to be typical for the DC movies.
Man of Steel - 143 minutesBatman vs. Superman - 151 minutesSuicide Squad - 123 minutes
I don't get it. I'm usually checking the time around 90 minutes in even for movies I'm enjoying.
― jmm, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
especiaally the Gadot-Pine chemistry
Yeah, they work well together.
The length of the film wouldn't have been improved by cutting out whole sequences, they just needed to trim some of those sequences down. (It's not a case of 'too many action sequences' as it is more 'didn't this bit already end?')
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
that being said I'm considering taking my daughter to see this but idk
So long as she's okay with a couple of sex and dick jokes in the opening third.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
I feel it is necessary to make you all read this line from Edelstein's review (http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/movie-review-wonder-woman-is-a-star-turn-for-gal-gadot.html).
It was worth waiting for Gadot.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
I just
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
"Well, shall we pun?"
2 1/2 hrs, dick jokes, weird presentation of violent military conflict = y'know, for kids!
yeah I'm not seeing this
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
what about your daughter?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 June 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
She has already booked several showings.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure she is even aware this movie exists!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
these movies are for man-babies, because they have money.
― Οὖτις, Friday, June 2, 2017 9:10 AM (thirty minutes ago)
wonder woman is for all the babies
― Beetle Juice continued to spit all over our drinks (contenderizer), Friday, 2 June 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
hold up i'm a man-baby but I'm fuckin skint tbh #notallmanbabies
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 June 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
lol @ hashtag
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
saw a tweet from Joss Whedon saying its good! He's totally unbiased.
Joss Whedon Joins DC for a Batgirl Movie, and More News - Rotten ...https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/.../joss-whedon-joins-dc-for-a-batgirl-movie-and-...Mar 31, 2017 - WB wants Jordan Peele for Akira, Disney wants Beyonce for The Lion King, Aaron Sorkin wants to write superhero stories, and Fox still wants to remake Escape from New York. ... AVENGERS DIRECTOR JOSS WHEDON TO SWITCH TEAMS FOR DC’S BATGIRL. ... Obviously, WB/DC shouldn’t outright copy ...
DC Joss Whedon Replacing Zack Snyder as Justice ... - Comic Bookcomicbook.com/dc/2017/05/22/joss-whedon-justice-league-zack-snyder/May 22, 2017 - It's not a joke, The Avengers 1 & 2 director Joss Whedon will be replacing Zack Snyder on Justice League, after Snyder Announced he's leaving to deal with a family tragedy. The tragedy in question is a massive one: Snyder's daughter, Autumn, took her own life in March, at the age ...
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 2 June 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
At one point Whedon was going to direct this, years ago. He seemed like a perfect fit.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 June 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
Spoiler heavy but some very good thoughts here in this discussion from the women writers at io9
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-ultimate-wonder-woman-analysis-by-the-women-of-io9-1795760084
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 June 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
that idiot from the new york times liked this a lot.
― scott seward, Friday, 2 June 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
yeah I don't trust a.o. scott
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
Haven't seen this, but feels like there's an understandable desire for this movie to be a success - to prove that female superhero movies can be good, and make a lot of money - if only to piss off those fanboys who've been moaning about female-only screenings. I thought people seriously overestimated Gal Gado's performance in Bat V Supe - possibly because she was one of the least worst things in it - and I'm not totally convinced that she's a commanding/charismatic enough presence to carry a film. But I will go see the movie, and see if a female (and almost certainly better) director than Snyder helps things.
Not at all invested in DC comics anyway, but DC's post-60s attempt to present WW as a great feminist icon, considering that the character's origins lie in a male bondage fantasy, and that the Wonder Woman comics have been largely written and drawn by men (and, on the whole, haven't been very good, bymmv), is v problematic, and compromised. Saying that, the character name is unimpeachable, the costume design is all-time, and for better or worse there's no arguing with the fact that Wonder Woman is by far the best-known female superhero (Supergirl second?), so it's about time there was a movie.
― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 2 June 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link
Marston's conceptions were utterly bizarre but he seemed pretty sincere about creating a sort of feminist hero. If I remember correctly, he was appalled there weren't any big female superheroes and his kinks were deeply tied into his philosophy of what society should ideally be like. He thought that eroticism was an ideal tool to get people to accept their proper roles in life.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
and, on the whole, haven't been very good,
this is the sad truth re: the comics (I haven't read the latest GMoz one but am curious)
I think the "feminist icon" angle is more rooted in the 70s tv show
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
is there a Lynda Carter cameo?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 June 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
Sadly no, but supposedly the theme music is referenced at one point (didn't hear it myself).
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
watching the trailers just made me want to go on a Xena binge.
also the world war one stuff makes me never want to see this. nothing more boring! if the sequel is wonder woman in space i will be first in line.
― scott seward, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
Took the kids to this yesterday, Ned otm -- some good stuff, Gadot is good, it's nice to have a legit woman-led superhero film, too long. You know the slowed-down action scenes are overdone when my 9-year-old comes out of the theater complaining about how they "always do that." Pretty entertaining overall, B-minus I guess.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
lol 9yo otm
― Οὖτις, Friday, 2 June 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
i'm going tonight, expect to be entertained enough, not expecting it to be Logan good but what is
― akm, Friday, 2 June 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
I loved it. it's 80% a semi-realistic war film, for one thing; which not only makes it hearken back to golden age comics but also allows for the violence that is portrayed to have a more human dimension; contrast it with Guardians of the Galaxy which had that 'mowing everyone down with one arrow' scene that was played for laughs; there is nothing like that here. The dick joke is nothing that we haven't come to expect from a PG-13 movie by this point; this isn't Deadpool or something. Gal Godot is really good in the role. Obviously yes she is stunningly beautiful, but when she was originally cast I didn't know if she looked convincingly powerful; she is. Some have called this the best comic book movie ever; I'd still put Logan, the first Superman, the first Batman, and probalby the Dark Knight over this, but I liked it more than almost every Marvel movie, I think; so many of them are blurring together at this point.
(there wasn't a reference to the original theme song; the guitar/cello lick from the trailers I'd mistakenly though twas from the 70's TV series was written for Batman Vs. Superman which I still haven't bothered with and appeared there when she showed up, I guess. That recurs several times).
― akm, Saturday, 3 June 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link
Complaining about Yondu's revenge on the mutineers in GotG and then repping Logan. Okay!
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 June 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
I wasn't complaining about it, I was just stating that it was gratuitous. it was. there is gratuitous violence in Logan too but Logan again has an added human dimension to it that balances that.
― akm, Saturday, 3 June 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
Semi-realistic war film kiiiiind of a stretch. It's a riff on an imaginative reduction of the war to a couple of trenches and a mysteriously mostly intact town. You have to suspend a lot of disbelief about a lot of things about the actual place/time, which, superhero movie, so very obviously so, but every few minutes was another stumbling block.
(My favorite moment in this regard: the refugee woman telling WW something like how they've enslaved the town for a year. You've been hanging out as a refugee in the trenches for a year?)
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 3 June 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
gal godot carries the movie just fine. of course she's kind of impossibly beautiful which helps a lot, but she conveys the strength, compassion, leadership, dignity, etc. - all the ideal traits of Wonder Woman - no one should take that for granted
i kinda wish that movie was less blue and grey for 2/3rds of it but that's cinematic lies of WWI/II that we can't shake culturally
― Nhex, Sunday, 4 June 2017 05:07 (six years ago) link
Logan is literally about the price paid for leading a violent life. It's like "Unforgiven" or something, it's about violence, so of course it's violent. GotG is escapist pew pew fare that just happens to feature a winky sequence of violent onscreen mass murder set to some '70s pop song. All these comic book movies are innately violent, but the body count is typically off screen and amorphous. How many people die in Captain America? Iron Man? Who knows! I don't know if that's better or worse, but rarely is carnage played for laughs outside of Deadpool.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link
the trailers make WW look most similar to the first Captain America, with its pseudo-retro elements. Is this accurate?
― Moodles, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
Yes and no. It's the most obvious point of comparison (and would have been even more so if they'd stuck with the WWII origin story), but in terms of the actual 'look' as such, it's very much a DC/Snyderverse film in many ways. Oddly enough the film I kinda most compared it to in my head when it came to how it looked was Guy Ritchie's second Sherlock Holmes one.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:09 (six years ago) link
If anything, the more I think about it, the flashback setup of the film manages a really neat trick in that it feels less heavily 'wow wasn't the past weird' as it is someone with memories in the moment turning them over again.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:11 (six years ago) link
All these comic book movies are innately violent, but the body count is typically off screen and amorphous. How many people die in Captain America?
Civilian body count is the plot driver for Cap 3/Avengers 2.5.
― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:15 (six years ago) link
the second Cappy has quite a few deaths too.
― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:17 (six years ago) link
Highly recommend talking about marvel movies on the MCU thread, I could argue about body counts all day but this is ostensibly a place to discuss Wonder Woman, a film set during the Great War
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
fair enuff
― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:32 (six years ago) link
the first 10 minutes of this movie was sparse-dialogued, dispassionate, tension-building, but largely mayhem-free war pieces that made me think "oh shiiit we're in for possibly the tonally weirdest wonder woman movie ever" but it turned out to be an unannounced preview for dunkirk.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 4 June 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
This was a decently good movie, but by god was it ugly. The D.C. movie aesthetic is, as far as I can tell, muddled earth-tones, a few splashes of dirty primary color, and all the sunrises/sunsets you can cram in. So many clearly CG backgrounds, too. The composition is either Very Busy or Very Sparse, and there's no real depth of field. (London sequences being an exception).
― rb (soda), Sunday, 4 June 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
yeah, I can agree with that.
― akm, Sunday, 4 June 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
I don't think marvel movies look that great either, outside of doctor strange
― akm, Sunday, 4 June 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
Oh my god what are you even talking about did you SEE the winter soldier
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
Overall I loved this. Pretty much everything I wanted from Wonder Woman ... my only complaints were:- waaaay over-scored-too much slow-mo
But WW herself was confident & commanding & caring & all of her fight scenes had me grinning like crazy. And Chris Pine was great - the two of them kept things from being boring
It's almost-but-not-quite up there with the first Cap America for me. Which I adore & love so in my world thats pretty high praise.
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 June 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
This is pretty cool https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/culture/arts-entertainment/film-review-eugene-brave-rock-speaks-blackfoot-wonder-woman-dcs-best-film-ever/
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 June 2017 22:48 (six years ago) link
can't wait to give steve mnuchin my money
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 4 June 2017 23:13 (six years ago) link