doesn't the senate bill requires a CBO score before it can be voted on?
― Dan S, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:15 (six years ago) link
fixed
It makes it easy to frame any opposition as irrational, misinformed, premature. Like what can Dems oppose when there is literally nothing there, no bill to dissect, no hearings to ask questions at? All the Dem Senators can do is maintain ranks and maybe try to personally buttonhole colleagues, while the grassroots works the phone banks for possible GOP swing votes.
Yes Senate Bill requires a CBO score but it probably won't be released until a couple days before the vote, so there won't be much time.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link
it makes it really hard to rally opposition because there's no talking points
idk "the GOP is trying to pass a healthcare bill so awful they're ashamed to talk about it public" is a pretty good one
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
yeah, and I'm seeing that passed around
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
xxxp I also totally advocate beating the drum for more public outcry about how the sausage is getting made.
And yes, to Dan S., there must be a CBO score. But the tactic seems to be to send it to CBO first. Then pass by reconciliation in a flurry, without hearings, before there's time to react.
So yes delay is good but how.
― bleethal weapon (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
McConnell's plan is to keep the details of the bill totally hidden up until the point when he thinks he has the votes, then he will submit it to the CBO and try to get it voted on as quickly as possible before anything bad in the CBO score can be used as ammo to swing votes against it. This is probably all going to happen in the last couple weeks of June/first week of July.
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
btw this tweet is now "unavailable" for some reason so idk how much stock to put in it:
🚨CODE RED: Senate Dem chiefs of staff from NV, WV, OH say Heller, Capito, Portman are likely to vote yes on Trumpcare. 🚨 — Topher Spiro (@TopherSpiro) June 13, 2017
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
(I admit I'm naturally inclined not to trust anyone who goes by "Topher")
"They're afraid to let the PEOPLE see what they're up to / they're afraid to talk to the PEOPLE" should an effective populist message in this alleged age of populism.
If the inevitable countercharge is "wull, Obamacare was rammed down our throats TOO," well, A. Demonstrably not so; there were a zillion town halls on ACA (it was in the papers and everything). And B. Which side is supposed to be the people's champion vs. the elites here?
tldr: Boring lazy-ass tu quoque shit is boring; film at 11
― may the florist be with you (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
what time is the sessions hearing?
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
2:30 ET
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
if there's manila envelopes maybe he's planning a Budd Dwyer 2.0
― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
The universe is rarely so generous.
― The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T & the Women (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
Everyone's happy to own this
Alexander, on Murray's request for a hearing on AHCA: That bill isn't my jurisdiction; talk to SFC. "You might take it up with Sen. Hatch."— Erin Mershon (@eemershon) June 13, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
Good luck with that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRt7tqlD-og
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
damn
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
Victory has a thousand fathers, but they're all insisting everyone else in their group get the paternity testing.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
the press needs to start seriously pushing back on the new hallway interview restrictions
― Dan S, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
Ah, but no, for you see, it's for everyone's financial health
Incredible defense of cracking down on TV cameras from Senator Tim Scott: cameras could catch the PIN numbers of senators at ATM machines.— Paul McLeod (@pdmcleod) June 13, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
Anyway, I wouldn't want to make any juvenile associations based on the name of a certain Senator and the activity in which he was involved at the conclusion of this excerpt, and you shouldn't either, because that would be, as I said, juvenile. We are pure.
Here's what a Senate communications director told me about the Senate press rules changes. https://t.co/7lltv8Ee7H pic.twitter.com/ZWKDjSwk4x— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) June 13, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
The press has a very good reason to follow Idaho senators into the bathroom.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
haha
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
I don't really care about the hallway restriction thing tbh, if you've seen recent footage it is pretty insane how clogged those halls are now that Trump has put everything into this hyper-aggressive news cycle/all scandal all the time reporting
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
otoh making Senators uncomfortable is a good thing so idk
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
They should restrict the number of Senators allowed in Congress, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
keep in mind its still cool with Americans to bodyslam journalists apparently
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
how many times are you gonna make that joke today
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
not really, he was charged and convicted
altho yr right re: voters, who have always been enamored of violent jerks
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
Crying all the way to congress.
Did I make that joke already? My bad if so, but don't remember doing so. It feels like it's been one long day for months.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:42 (six years ago) link
I suggest Al Franken does a Judo Chop on Alex Jones
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
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― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
brb gotta go chase senator crapo into the toilet *flush* you're WELCOME
― nice cage (m bison), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
crapo chap house
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link
Makin' a quick trip to the bathroom for a Crapo and some Lindsay head, brb.
― The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T & the Women (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/766053468398292992/UMFSlHNB.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
Crapo, Capito. Capito, Crapo.
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
Never forget:http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170116202235-donald-trump-inauguration-porta-potties-moos-pkg-erin-00015424-full-169.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
30 minutes til Sessions, 30 minutes til Sessions
― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
Places everyone!https://media4.giphy.com/media/gpXfKa9xLAR56/200_s.gif
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
m/l don't care about these hearings, he'll clam up about things that could implicate him, obfuscate about others, etc. They're gonna be p deferential to a former colleague, even a perjurious one.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
did we discuss the PPP poll todayhttp://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/06/plurality-of-voters-think-trump-obstructed-justice.html
-42% of Trump voters think it's appropriate for GOP politicians to body slam reporters, compared to 45% who think it's inappropriate. By contrast only 6% of Clinton voters think it's ok for them to body slam reporters, to 89% who think it's inappropriate. Overall 22% of voters think it's ok for GOP politicians to body slam reporters, to 69% who think it's not.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
calling Obama "right wing" is patently bullshit FYI
― sexualing healing (crüt), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
They're gonna be p deferential to a former colleague, even a perjurious one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/12/us/politics/jeff-sessions-senate-hearing-trump-russia.html
Should Sessions Expect Senatorial Courtesy? Not This Time
But who knows?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
Saw an interesting contradiction today that hadn't occurred to me. Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation, but was still involved with the Comey firing. So people said, aha, you said you would recuse, and others said, well, it had nothing to do with Russia, it had to do with his job, specifically how he mishandled the Clinton email situation. But ... in his confirmation hearing he promised to recuse himself from anything involving the Clinton email investigation!
Not that this matters. Not that anything matters anymore.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi believes President Donald Trump will “self-impeach” and that Democrats should wait for the Russia investigations — especially special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe — to play out before pushing to remove him from the Oval Office. Pelosi also believes that if Trump fired Mueller — which some Trump allies are encouraging the president to do — it would be enough to push Republicans to begin seriously considering acting against the president on their own.
Well, so much less work for her.
http://www.joemygod.com/2017/06/13/nancy-pelosi-predicts-trump-will-self-impeach/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
crüt, i guess it all depends whether you're being deported or bombed, or otoh not being prosecuted for torture or being a Wall St robber baron.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
yes those are the only metrics for determining where someone falls on a political spectrum, good job
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
problem with pelosi's strategy is that it'll probably take at least a year for the investigation to wrap up
― 龜, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
Pelosi knows they need a majority first, then impeachment. Dem House leadership going hard after it now only gives the GOP ammo in the mid-terms and possibly allow them to hold onto their majority.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link