A thread for Disney's MOANA staring Auli'i Cravalho and Dwayne Johnson, songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda

my son is a fan, he was singing "you're welcome" this weekend at grammas house

People in Hawaii generally v stoked about this movie. It does its best to make Hawaiian and Polynesian culture look really good. Seems like Disney was trying to make amends for Pocahontas. I just saw it a couple weeks back and was wondering if there's some good scholarly work on the movie from the Hawaiian Studies department at the university here, but I've been too busy to look into it

Yeah I've probably seen it at least 75 times. Thanks 3 year old. It's the fucking worst when you hear You're Welcome right before you walk out the door though. In your head all day.

O hey I just saw the links in the first post, heh. Good stuff.

Weird thing to say re: pocahantas since Hawaiians don't consider themselves native americans

Mid-Pacific Ocean is a long way from either American continent, so 'native American' would be a huge stretch (of open water) for Hawaiians (or any other Polynesians). We 'Americans' just happened to swallow them up during our colonial expansion.

Hawaii also an actual kingdom/functional state w a government, head of state, laws, defined borders, diplomatic recognition by other countries, etc.

Davey knows all this i assume, Disney may just have seen the situations as analogous ie "hmm maybe we should do better w this 'ethnic studies' sorta stuff"

I learned more about polynesian folklore (esp. Maui, obv) because my daughter likes this movie than I ever would have otherwise, so they did a good job in that regard

I liked the idea of this film when I first heard about it but I probably wasn't going to pay full ticket price for a musical starring The Rock
then I remembered I am a dad and also it's more appropriate to get choked up at these moves with the nuclear fam than when I'm by myself on a long airplane ride

xpost to Jeff you didn't have a 3 yr old during the Age of Frozen, obsession was higher and way worse movie/songs

no way dude Frozen has much better music if we're grading the musical aspec

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Disney may just have seen the situations as analogous ie "hmm maybe we should do better w this 'ethnic studies' sorta stuff"

Yah, this is what I was getting at. Disney deserves credit for all the hard work to set up the cultural trust (and actually listen to what they had to say) for Moana. Also, it's true for obvious reasons that Hawaiians generally identify with Pacific Islanders more than Native Americans (because they are actually Pacific Islanders), but many do feel a kinship with the latter as 'first nations' peoples. I know that for my girlfriend at least (who is part Hawaiian), the events her college organized to bring out Native American groups and facilitate cultural exchange had profound significance for her. So, these aspects of cultural identity are fluid, and that's part of what makes Moana interesting and complicated.

This is generically ok but jemaines song is all time

The music in Frozen is NOT better than the music in Moana, what the hell

Don't really think either matches up to tangled-musically and otherwise.

the music in Frozen IS better than this and I can only remember one song from Tangled

jesus god what has happened to me

Yeah wtf those are both nuts opinions

Jeff OTM, worth watching just for the animated hair.

I was late to the game and finally watched Moana, Tangled, Brave, and Frozen recently. I would rank them Moana (by a lot), Brave, Frozen, Tangled in that order.

I liked Brave a lot. I liked Frozen a lot too but mostly in spite of the music; there’s literally one memorable song in the whole movie.

My friend Dana as Moana for Halloween: https://www.instagram.com/p/BayCKxWhDQz/?taken-by=dananotdana

<3

Idgi

I think Brave was a gorgeous muddle, Tangled tons of fun, Frozen I never need to see again (maybe confirmed by the horrid Coco short) and Moana pretty good.

i watched this with my 4 year old nephew over the holidays and cried. it is great.

this definitely passed the finding dory test, in that my daughter has watched it a zillion times and i still like it

baby Moana is the cutest and I want to snatch her

yeah the little kids are sooooo cute

it’s pretty great

that scene where she’s a chubby lil baby playing with the wave is so <3 <3

that scene enraptured me

also i feel like the metanarrative of the songs is how Lin-Manuel feels about Puerto Rico and it ambushes me with unexpected emotion

yeah otm

rewatching right now :D

the ocean animation makes me soooooo homesick for the beach, i want to jump right in

"you're welcome" is so goddamn annoying. the rock doesn't need a song. or big hair tbf.

we could make a thread for "the part of movies you've seen before where you know it's a great time to get up and pee, but you realize it a little bit too late and then it's too late and you still need to pee"

i love The Rock and “You’re Welcome”

ITT Tombot and VG disagree on a movie

He did well on it tbh but the songs a little annoying alright imo

But still tho jemaine jemaine jemaine

I like Moana a lot but the songs sung by the dudes in it are just all right

I’ll listen to you’re welcome a million times before the dumb crab song.

Hmm my approach saves a lot of time

.......best animated Disney song nom/poll ever been done?

I mean it's the opener from beauty and the beast but still

i like the Jemaine song a lot too

SHIIINAAAY

is disney’s robin hood the ground zero of the furry movement y/n

Poll

This thread is fecund

Aladdin btw has fantastic songs

otm

this movie really passes the "kid has watched it 15X times and I still like it" test

Can't unhear

"See the line where the sky meets the sea? It calls me"

as

"It's a tragedy for me to see the dream is over..." from Milli Vanilli's "Girl I'm Gonna Miss You"

A thread for Disney's MOANA staring Auli'i Cravalho and Dwayne Johnson, songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda

best songs are by Opetaia Foa'i/Te Vaka imho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60BQFGoMWd4

Love every second of this gorgeous movie and I cry like a drip every single time and just thinking about it or actually hearing the music now that I'm playing Albert's link /sob/

co-sign <3

I was looking for other performances from TeVaka/the Foa'i's and this was the only one I could find of this other great (also non-LMM) song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpKm-aYjMgc

... but with a little more research I learned that the above song (known on the Moana OST as "An Innocent Warrior" that plays during the scene when toddler Moana protects the baby sea turtle to the ocean and the ocean goddess plays with her and offers her the heart of Te Fiti) was written recorded by Te Vaka in 2000 as "Loimata E Maligi" (falling tears) about a tragic fire that killed 19 teenage girls in a dormitory in Tuvalu, and if you look that song up there is quite a bit of live footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkBsaVMQ9m8

My point for my latest revives stems from a discussion with my wife (who is LMM superfan #1, ie saw In The Heights like a dozen times) on our last road trip and we were listening to the Moana OST and she's all LMM this and LMM that, and I'm like look, I'm not trying to paint LMM as a Paul Simon or anything, but there were quite a bit of other folks who played and sang on this soundtrack and they have been largely ignored for their contributions which I'd rate equal to much higher than LMM's.

Agree to some general extent, but I mean, LMM did "How Far You'll Go," "You're Welcome" and "Shiny," which are all pretty memorable and either the linchpin, or, in the case of the latter two, the showstoppers of the movie. I say this as the parent of two (growing) girls who sing these songs all the time. Regardless, I like that this movie has legs and is seemingly just shy of "Frozen" in terms of current Disney (musical) impact.

this movie really passes the "kid has watched it 15X times and I still like it" test

― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, February 5, 2018 10:30 AM (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My kid watched it twice in a row last night.

LMM did "How Far You'll Go," "You're Welcome" and "Shiny," which are all pretty memorable

Aye, the latter two memorable for their sheer nails-on-chalkboard annoyance lol!

I say this as the parent of two (growing) girls who sing these songs all the time.

Yeah, I didn't mention the kids, my only hope is that when their journey with Moana is over, that their takeaway is the beautiful Pacific Islander culture/music and not LMM's shlocky cornball showtunes...

(haha I'm truly glad I can vent these normally unsaid opinions to you guys and not the family).

you seem to be implying that shlocky cornball showtunes are a bad thing

and I'm not done! I will admit "How Far I Go" is not awful, and that I actually enjoy most of "Where You Are" which I think Te Vaka do the music & the non-lead vox on.

I don't like cornball showtimes, particularly, but for those who do - which include most kids and pretty much anyone that likes showtimes, period - these cornball showtimes are quality. It definitely beats the schlocky bullshit neo-Christian rock stylings of Greatest Showman or Dear Evan Hanson or whatever.

Gone from Netflix, fuck!

;_;

For those who like Te Vaka / Opetaia Foa'i / Olivia Foa'i as much as I do, I found this rare gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mu5XnpdCgY

It's an extended version of the opening prayer/song which Opetaia extended for another part (reprise?) of the movie but was not included in the final cut. The first minute should sound fairly familiar to those of us who've watched a million times, but around the minute mark is where it turns into something amazing.

John Lassetter asked for me to write a piece to go with the Disney castle logo at the beginning of the movie, and that’s when I wrote “Tulou Tagaloa”. Later on, the directors were playing around with an idea which involved Moana finding the ‘heart of te fiti’, and as they liked ‘Tulou Tagaloa’, they asked me to write an extended piece for it. This piece is the ocean telling Moana, in a nurturing sympathetic tone, of the task that awaits her. ​And once again, my daughter Olivia adds her magic touch to it.

-Opetaia Foa'i

I guess this is my Te Vaka thread now (sorry, not sorry):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cszd49

rewatching this movie under the influence of pregnancy hormones is...a lot

My daughter's award-winning theater program at her middle school performed a preview of a semi-secret pilot version of a live musical version of this at the Junior Theater Festival in Atlanta last year, which was pretty much the last thing she did before lockdown.

man this movie rules. there are just a couple jokes/moves i could do without but overall one hell of a story, several amazing songs, and that water is gorgeous.

love it so much! baby moana is such a cutie

Because I have to do it, here's my daughter's theatre program (public school!) at work doing bits of Moana:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uee08PkdX5E

They killed it, but their Maui in particular was great.

That's awesome.

You should send this to Opetaia Foa'i. The language for most of the PI songs is sung in Tokelauan which wiki says there are only 4,260 speakers globally, he would get a kick that people are celebrating his language/culture.

i've been looking for a place to post this animated short... this must be the place

it's "based on the long-hidden history of four healing stones on Waikiki Beach placed there as a tribute to four legendary mahu who first brought the healing arts to Hawaii." insightful into Hawaiian concepts of gender and healing, beautifully rendered.

https://www.kapaemahu.com/

Wow... I'm an ignorant tourist who has passed by those stones many times without paying my respects. Will rectify that on my next visit. Thank you for posting davey.

you bet!

i'm a longtime resident and i didn't know the story either

I think it's currently on Criterion Channel, too, which is cool.

Man, Moana is great and still looks amazing.

Apparently they just surprised announced a sequel, supposedly out November, reportedly repurposed from a TV project? Sounds like a hail Mary/Moana move.