A thread for Disney's MOANA staring Auli'i Cravalho and Dwayne Johnson, songs by Lin-Manuel Miranda

Disney may just have seen the situations as analogous ie "hmm maybe we should do better w this 'ethnic studies' sorta stuff"

Yah, this is what I was getting at. Disney deserves credit for all the hard work to set up the cultural trust (and actually listen to what they had to say) for Moana. Also, it's true for obvious reasons that Hawaiians generally identify with Pacific Islanders more than Native Americans (because they are actually Pacific Islanders), but many do feel a kinship with the latter as 'first nations' peoples. I know that for my girlfriend at least (who is part Hawaiian), the events her college organized to bring out Native American groups and facilitate cultural exchange had profound significance for her. So, these aspects of cultural identity are fluid, and that's part of what makes Moana interesting and complicated.

This is generically ok but jemaines song is all time

The music in Frozen is NOT better than the music in Moana, what the hell

Don't really think either matches up to tangled-musically and otherwise.

the music in Frozen IS better than this and I can only remember one song from Tangled

jesus god what has happened to me

Yeah wtf those are both nuts opinions

Jeff OTM, worth watching just for the animated hair.

I was late to the game and finally watched Moana, Tangled, Brave, and Frozen recently. I would rank them Moana (by a lot), Brave, Frozen, Tangled in that order.

I liked Brave a lot. I liked Frozen a lot too but mostly in spite of the music; there’s literally one memorable song in the whole movie.

My friend Dana as Moana for Halloween: https://www.instagram.com/p/BayCKxWhDQz/?taken-by=dananotdana

<3

Idgi

I think Brave was a gorgeous muddle, Tangled tons of fun, Frozen I never need to see again (maybe confirmed by the horrid Coco short) and Moana pretty good.

i watched this with my 4 year old nephew over the holidays and cried. it is great.

this definitely passed the finding dory test, in that my daughter has watched it a zillion times and i still like it

baby Moana is the cutest and I want to snatch her

yeah the little kids are sooooo cute

it’s pretty great

that scene where she’s a chubby lil baby playing with the wave is so <3 <3

that scene enraptured me

also i feel like the metanarrative of the songs is how Lin-Manuel feels about Puerto Rico and it ambushes me with unexpected emotion

yeah otm

rewatching right now :D

the ocean animation makes me soooooo homesick for the beach, i want to jump right in

"you're welcome" is so goddamn annoying. the rock doesn't need a song. or big hair tbf.

we could make a thread for "the part of movies you've seen before where you know it's a great time to get up and pee, but you realize it a little bit too late and then it's too late and you still need to pee"

i love The Rock and “You’re Welcome”

ITT Tombot and VG disagree on a movie

He did well on it tbh but the songs a little annoying alright imo

But still tho jemaine jemaine jemaine

I like Moana a lot but the songs sung by the dudes in it are just all right

I’ll listen to you’re welcome a million times before the dumb crab song.

Hmm my approach saves a lot of time

.......best animated Disney song nom/poll ever been done?

I mean it's the opener from beauty and the beast but still

i like the Jemaine song a lot too

SHIIINAAAY

that'd be a cool ballot poll! maybe open out to songs from animated films or kids' films generally, just to dodge disney exceptionalism and otherwise yknow "somewhere out there" and "pure imagination" are never gonna get polled. otoh i'd need a long-ass ballot for a poll where wizard of oz is dueling with moana so maybe just animated. i guess the one upshot to all-disney is space to throw a vote to eccentric personal faves like "ichabod crane" or some b.s. song no one remembers from the sword in the stone...

I thought about it but all animated seems very wide, all kids impossible to do so, all movies then it's just the tonight quintet

Including live with disney-style animated just for the sake of 'somewhere' and you can't keep a god dog down (bow wow wow wow) but can't see that not causing a scrap tbh

We have threads barring Disney so I'd be all for some exceptionalism just for the sake of a clean poll, essentially

Would nearly consider it a good candidate for one of the write-up ballots

i mean having done all the disney movie polls i can't really try to bash the exceptionalist tendency now. but i did try to (sometimes) mention the other non-disney movies from the same period, just to try and get them back situated in the general history. iiiiii dunno....

Let's see what it looks like in the morning

^ rejected hunchback opener fyi

You’re my best friend, my best friend
And we are family

The greatest Disney song is the first few seconds of the Mulan song that goes "let's get down to business/to defeat the Huns" no need to go thru the motions of polling

I just rewatched Lilo and Stitch. Ugh, so good too. DIsney should just make hawaiian girl movies forever.

The conclusion to the poll is v. deservedly going to be something from Jungle Book, methinks.

Oodelally song from Robin Hood

Shit the jungle book yeah that's gonna be up there

Don't really know songs from robin hood!

is disney’s robin hood the ground zero of the furry movement y/n

Poll

This thread is fecund

Aladdin btw has fantastic songs

otm

Gone from Netflix, fuck!

;_;

For those who like Te Vaka / Opetaia Foa'i / Olivia Foa'i as much as I do, I found this rare gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mu5XnpdCgY

It's an extended version of the opening prayer/song which Opetaia extended for another part (reprise?) of the movie but was not included in the final cut. The first minute should sound fairly familiar to those of us who've watched a million times, but around the minute mark is where it turns into something amazing.

John Lassetter asked for me to write a piece to go with the Disney castle logo at the beginning of the movie, and that’s when I wrote “Tulou Tagaloa”. Later on, the directors were playing around with an idea which involved Moana finding the ‘heart of te fiti’, and as they liked ‘Tulou Tagaloa’, they asked me to write an extended piece for it. This piece is the ocean telling Moana, in a nurturing sympathetic tone, of the task that awaits her. ​And once again, my daughter Olivia adds her magic touch to it.

-Opetaia Foa'i

I guess this is my Te Vaka thread now (sorry, not sorry):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cszd49

rewatching this movie under the influence of pregnancy hormones is...a lot

My daughter's award-winning theater program at her middle school performed a preview of a semi-secret pilot version of a live musical version of this at the Junior Theater Festival in Atlanta last year, which was pretty much the last thing she did before lockdown.

man this movie rules. there are just a couple jokes/moves i could do without but overall one hell of a story, several amazing songs, and that water is gorgeous.

love it so much! baby moana is such a cutie

Because I have to do it, here's my daughter's theatre program (public school!) at work doing bits of Moana:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uee08PkdX5E

They killed it, but their Maui in particular was great.

That's awesome.

You should send this to Opetaia Foa'i. The language for most of the PI songs is sung in Tokelauan which wiki says there are only 4,260 speakers globally, he would get a kick that people are celebrating his language/culture.

i've been looking for a place to post this animated short... this must be the place

it's "based on the long-hidden history of four healing stones on Waikiki Beach placed there as a tribute to four legendary mahu who first brought the healing arts to Hawaii." insightful into Hawaiian concepts of gender and healing, beautifully rendered.

https://www.kapaemahu.com/

Wow... I'm an ignorant tourist who has passed by those stones many times without paying my respects. Will rectify that on my next visit. Thank you for posting davey.

you bet!

i'm a longtime resident and i didn't know the story either

I think it's currently on Criterion Channel, too, which is cool.

Man, Moana is great and still looks amazing.

Apparently they just surprised announced a sequel, supposedly out November, reportedly repurposed from a TV project? Sounds like a hail Mary/Moana move.