idk I think they've been pretty good at taking the arguments worth taking seriously seriously, though this tends to happen moreso on podcasts w/ good guests
I don't like the idea of ceding irreverence to the right. inflammatory language is fun and the pundit class will be fine.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
I follow a lot of far-lefties on Twitter, some pro- and some anti- (or indifferent to) Chapo, and I get that the humor turns off a certain segment, but vulgarity is also an effective hook for a lot of people. oppression and the ideologues who espouse it (directly or indirectly) couches its cruelty in polite language and pointing that out in inverse language can be cathartic.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:50 (six years ago) link
yeah, i don't recognise treesh's characterisation of them at all tbh
i think they take their positions very seriously, and recognise the threat that right-wing policies and to a lesser extent woolly liberal thinking poses to the kind of world they want to see created, but I guess if you don't think mockery of patently ridiculous beliefs in the ruling/pundit classes is an acceptable or necessary response then chapo might not be for you I guess
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
fwiw there have been plenty of good recommendations here that don't rely on Chapo-y theatrics or vulgarity but are still fun / not completely po-faced
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:53 (six years ago) link
I guess if you don't think mockery of patently ridiculous beliefs in the ruling/pundit classes is an acceptable or necessary response then chapo might not be for you I guess
yeah man, this is totally about wanting to protect the ruling class, and not at all about finding har-dee-har maybe we would be better off if we put killed everyone with glasses- style jokes a bad look for leftist dudes to be rocking.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link
I can understand the argument for not going overboard with hyperbole, because to an extent repeating that kind of thing internalizes it and not everyone listening is going to take it as pure exaggeration. I think the rebuttal is that while there's bile there, it's also a shot at the rhetoric that right-wing radio has dealt in as a matter of course for decades.
There have always been demagogues and writers who deal in personal jabs, and I think there is a line. In an ideal world, it'd be a lot more civil, but after the Limbaughs of radio and television have been cranking it up notch by notch, the whole "please, don't do that guys!" comes off as some "we take the high road" crap.
That's the issue, here: the people who get most of the bile from CTH and lefty twitter are the establishment liberals who backwheel from actually taking a firm left stance, or throw in these caveats about how we'll never have single payer. Every time. The jabs at conservative figures in the same space, like David Brooks, definitely have this joking "...but is this guy really ok?" angle. Joking about sending a supposed leftist to space to help move things forward is frustration.
If you think it's too harsh and real, go listen to a few hours of AM conservative talk radio.
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:13 (six years ago) link
meanwhile the policies backed by the ruling class are actually killing the poor and the vulnerable, day in day out, but sure feel free to spend your energy on some poor-taste jokes made by some twitter assholes on a podcast xp
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:15 (six years ago) link
lol spend your energy defending them ok
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:17 (six years ago) link
jonathan swift def did want the irish to sell their children to the rich as food tho iirc
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:20 (six years ago) link
you keep turning the same crank
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:24 (six years ago) link
you keep exposing your handle, what else am i to do
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:27 (six years ago) link
can something that's meant to be satire sound kind of messed up when the speaker seems to be bursting blood vessels from rage and 40s? Tell me about Swift the next time some right wing AM dudes talks about putting people in camps as a joke.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
t/s: punching up vs punching down
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:32 (six years ago) link
PK if anyone ever shoots up the NYT offices in a baseball crank shirt I will take back everything I've said in support I promise
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
they go low, we get our ass handed to us over and over lol
― The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
hey, the joke cop is here
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
bursting blood vessels from rage and 40s
now who's trafficking in low rent stereotypes
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link
It's called hyperbole look it up
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
but really, I listen to about every fifth episode of this show to catch an interesting guest or topic. is there a particular point where they've just gone full-on into condemning people to camps
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 5. juli 2017 16:44 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
How about if someone tries to kill Republican congressmen while they practice baseball?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
C-
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:38 (six years ago) link
as in Frederik belongs on MSNBC-
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link
Ok is Keyes trolling or does he really think Chapo are the Khmer Rouge
― The Marmadook (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link
no, for that you need to go to c*m town
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
it is a stretch for me to be listening to a podcastdouble stretch for one called "chapo trap house"
so not gonna listen to something called cum town
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 3:36 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That dude didn't go far enough imo
― The Marmadook (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
Xpost Worse even. Khmer Rouge never mastered podcasting. That's the trouble with killing the intellectual class.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
If you're having to fan yourself with dismay re: joking about exiling Jonathan Chait to the center of the sun just accept that Chapo isn't for you and move on.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
listen up, i've been to the center of the sun, that shit's hot.
― popcorn michael awaits trumptweet (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
not just Chait iirc but every public intellectual's USELESS FUCKING ASS
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
oh i get it, president keyes is peggy noonan
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
I decided to listen to see what the context of the objectionable joke was
now I'm really confused: so random people on twitter discover wikipedia, respond to Chait's anti-marxism article beat with a list of every fact they just learned about Lenin, and then the CTH guys joke in response to one of the outliers that hey, if we had a boat, it'd go to the sun and we'd throw Chait on it
then there's a several minute repudiation of Chait's neoliberalism apologia (or lack thereof) and war mongering
these guys have made bad jokes before, but how this particular instance is vile, when it starts with a joke kicked off from that basis and immediately followed with analysis of the dude's stances, is ?!?
I figured from context earlier in the thread that they just randomly brought up Lenin's philosopher boats and started listing dudes to go on it or something
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
I mean, throwing that out without the context it's spinning off of a EVILS OF MARXISM list on twitter and was a tossed-off line right before going into a repudiation of the dude in question's previously published views is some bait and switch
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
btw I 100% sending Malcolm Gladwell to the sun, but only if he's unable to transmit his book he writes about it on the journey back to earth
how about if we bring back the philosopher ships for http://www.nrcruise.com/
― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
I think enough of those people are blockading the right from consolidating their platform. We just need to send the public "liberals" out to the bermuda triangle for a couple years while we firm up ours
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
And we expect more top conservatives to join us!
wait, who is already listed on there that they consider a "top conservative?"
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
nikki haley wants to go, but NK
― popcorn michael awaits trumptweet (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
can we crowdfund a ticket to this for alfred pls
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
CTH is Rush Limbaugh for the left. That's why it works, that's why it's took off so quickly. It's a rebuke of the ridiculous "when they go low, we go high" strategy. As Matt said in that Harvard Crimson interview, politics should be libidinal, visceral. Joking about sending dull intellectuals in a rocket into the sun is par for the course.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
politics should be libidinal, visceral
ew
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
if we have to get mad about this now do we have to get mad about "die cis scum" shirts next? sounds exhausting.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
yeah I see "men are scrum" / "male tears" type stuff everywhere lately
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
they do love a good scrum tho
― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
hahaha woops
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
we just moved to agile at work so clearly I have issues to work out
politics should be libidinal, visceralew― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:55 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:55 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in less, er, bodily terms - notions of compromise, nobility, and civility are obsolete when you're up against a ruthless, atavistic party that will give you no quarter even if you behave properly.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
that libidinal, visceral matt christman in full
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/0*IRHQxPXVATAz2sFa.jpeg
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
otm xp
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
I wouldn't say Rush Limbaugh, more like The Daily Show for the left. Instead of wry smirks and rallies about why don't we all just agree to disagree, it's irony and anger.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link