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I think Don Jr. might be pardoning in his pants right now.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link

Honestly, thing about the pardon speculation is that it doesn't fit. The whole idea in Trumpland is to always attack and everything, yes? Pardons would be a massive concession and admission.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link

xpost
i guess there's also the "No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. " part of his explanation.

but how many "statements" could she make saying that she HAD information while still revealing absolutely zero information?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link

i can't read the WaPo piece xp

use incognito mode on Chrome or the equivalent on other browsers

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link

relevant

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=93740

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link

Honestly, thing about the pardon speculation is that it doesn't fit. The whole idea in Trumpland is to always attack and everything, yes? Pardons would be a massive concession and admission.

i'd agree except that another part of Trumpland is to exploit every option that's legally provided, and then shrug and tell supporters "it's not dumb, it's smart" or whatever as an explanation.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link

Observed elsewhere: given all that is already in the public record, imagine what Mueller et al. have seen that we haven't.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link

yeah that's what the vox piece was saying too xxp

I Love You, Fancybear (symsymsym), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link

One of the very few times I've ever seen Trump drop the mask and give this chagrinned "ok, fine, guilty as charged" face was in this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYoOPgeTMQc

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link

xxpost Yes, that suddenly dawned on me while discussing this with my gf last night. We only know what's been leaked to the media (or scanned and tweeted)!!!

Sorbet On My Tunic (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link

I voted for @POTUS last Nov. & want him & USA to succeed, but that meeting, given that email chain just released, is a big no-no.

— Lee Zeldin (@leezeldin) July 11, 2017

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link

Naughty Trump! Don't make me get the spray bottle!

Sorbet On My Tunic (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link

When even GOP congressmen think you made a no-no, there's a boo-boo on the Presidency

President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link

“This is sum of all fears stuff. It’s what we’ve all been dreading,” said one White House official who is now exploring the possibility of retaining an attorney, a step described as purely precautionary.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-aides-freaking-out-over-don-jrs-russia-email-the-sum-of-all-fears

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link

god, i hope any of this translates to sustained legislative/election losses for the republicans

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link

Honestly, thing about the pardon speculation is that it doesn't fit. The whole idea in Trumpland is to always attack and everything, yes? Pardons would be a massive concession and admission.

i'd agree except that another part of Trumpland is to exploit every option that's legally provided, and then shrug and tell supporters "it's not dumb, it's smart" or whatever as an explanation.

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 1:25 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah a pardon in Trumpland doesn't seem to far afield from paying out millions to settle lawsuits

Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/oh-boy-3

Philip Bump at the Post just flagged this Trump speech from June 7th, four days after Don Goldstone’s first contact with Don Jr and two days before the meeting at Trump Tower on June 9th.

Trump promises big news about Hillary Clinton’s crimes in a speech on “probably” June 13th.”

The video is set to start at the key moment. If that doesn’t work, jump forward to the 7:00 minute timestamp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFIZ80Oqxxo

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link

Congressional Republicans have had about a zillion golden opportunities to distance themselves from this sexist, unprincipled bigot and the fact that they haven't, even now, needs to be rubbed in their faces until they lose their seats, and probably beyond that as well

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link

Yeah a pardon in Trumpland doesn't seem to far afield from paying out millions to settle lawsuits

Problem though: that's the kind of thing that gets handled away from TV cameras (when possible), stays buried, "it's just business." Sleazy but happens all the time.

...and you can't exactly bury this, in comparison.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link

the typical Trump voter at 1:21

https://youtu.be/wqIsx0ngCuU?t=1m21s

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:42 (six years ago) link

He'll probably be able to "bury" it w/ his base by the same combination of ranting and illogic that have let him skate so far. It's just something we'll have to live with—that the best case scenario is public humiliation in the eyes of 60% of the population. God help us.

Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link

I saw a woman at the airport wearing a neon pink "RUSSIA" hat, which looked to be brand new. This is where we're going.

Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link

Meantime!

WOW --> McConnell announces "the Senate will delay the start of the August recess until the third week of August.”

— Alex Moe (@AlexNBCNews) July 11, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link

ouchsies

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link

doesn't that just mean they're setting aside more time to pass some form of the repeal bill?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link

It could also be a measure of isolation, for a lot of these guys returning to their districts has been hell.

Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link

doesn't that just mean they're setting aside more time to pass some form of the repeal bill?

yes. this is not good

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link

Well duh.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link

Dems have been declaring the repeal dead for two months, which gives me a certain-doom vibe

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link

it's clear McConnell's at the "let's throw anything at the wall" stage what with letting Cruz and Graham loose

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link

But just minutes before McConnell’s announcement, veteran lawmakers were waving away the idea of canceling recess as an impossibility.

“That’s not gonna happen,” Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) told reporters, laughing. “It’s hard enough to get members here on a Friday.”

blunt is a low-key candidate for dumbest person in the entire world

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link

Dems have been declaring the repeal dead for two months, which gives me a certain-doom vibe

the truth is no bill is dead until power changes hands, ie the mid-terms

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link

From his AMA in progress:

Last year you did a Q&A here
in it, you were asked by /u/T0M1N4T0RZ:
Could you see gerrymandering having an effect on the upcoming elections, whether for state positions like governor or even for POTUS?
to which you replied:

Absolutely: Democrats won 1.4 million more votes than Republicans, in the aggregate, in all 2012 House elections. But Republicans retained the House 234-201. It was the first time since 1972 that the party with the most votes did not take over the chamber, and it is largely because of the redistricting firewall the Republicans built themselves. So in 2016, it is looking like a Democratic year again -- but there is zero real chance that the Ds will take back the House, despite the fact that they seem likely to get more votes. The GOP drew these lines to withstand most any landslide, using very complicated algorithims, lots of voting data and demographic detail, and incredibly powerful computing technology. But when -- two elections in a row -- the party with the most votes does not get the most seats, something is broken. When our democratic institutions cease to be responsive to the popular will, they are not effective, let alone democratic.
A year on - has anything surprised you?

daviddaley1 David Daley, Author - "Ratf**ked" 8 minutes ago
Hi everyone. It is great to be back, and I'll answer as many of these great questions as I can.
What has surprised me is this: How confident Democrats and many media analysts are that the Ds can take back the House next year, and how little attention gets paid to the very serious structural issues that Democrats face. They need to take back two dozen seats, and it's hard for me to see where exactly they come from. Democrats have not turned a "Red" seat "Blue" this decade on these maps in PA, MI, NC, WI or OH. That's a 49-20 GOP edge in purplish swing states. It's hard to see many legitimate targets in those states in 2018.
There is a very real chance that Ds get more votes than Rs in 2018 for the House, but Rs keep the chamber. If that happens, Ds would have more votes for the White House, Senate, and House -- and control of none. So I guess what surprises me is how we're not seriously talking about how we fix our democracy.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link

I can't wait for Donald Trump not to know the difference between the debt and the deficit

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link

One thing someone brought up -- is this legally different from Hillary paying Steele, a British citizen, from doing opposition research on Trump?

Treeship, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link

The bill will be dead in september, when the budget reconciliation thingy stops working. Then GOP has to decide if they want to do health care or tax cuts next year, and they're not going to choose health care. Canceling recess is bad, really bad, and it does increase the chances of a bill passing, but it's also a desperate move. They're flailing. And they might still pass something, people are often more dangerous when backed into a corner, but they don't have a plan, they don't have a bill, and they don't know what they are doing.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link

I'm still waiting for Dean Heller and Susan Collins to name their price.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link

if the cylons appeared out of nowhere, or made themselves known, rather, i would totally vote for them right now as a political party

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link

Fred otm for once

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link

I think Heller and Collins are probably the ones they are planning to do without.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link

I mean, that's what I read on 538, IIRC.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link

One thing someone brought up -- is this legally different from Hillary paying Steele, a British citizen, from doing opposition research on Trump?

It was GOP peeps who paid Steele, iirc. At the behest of Jeb! ?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link

They keep dreaming.

Now would be a great time for Trump WH to hit the road and make some speeches to push #repealobamacare to change the subject.

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) July 11, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link

This seems like a poor choice:

https://www.axios.com/what-we-know-about-the-senate-health-care-bill-2457420090.html

The Medicaid portions of the revised bill likely will stay largely the same as the first version — including the growth rate for new per-person funding caps and the process for phasing out the Affordable Care Act's Medicaid expansion.

This is a loss for several moderates, including Sens. Dean Heller, Rob Portman, Shelley Moore Captio, Lisa Murkowski, Dan Sullivan, John Hoeven and Susan Collins. It's a win for conservatives, particularly Sen. Pat Toomey.

A small tweak is likely to be added that would benefit Louisiana, a senior GOP aide told me. This would help with Sen. Bill Cassidy's concerns.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link

they're going the ideological purity route so they don't actually have to do anything and can say it's because they have convctions

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

Afaict the law says it's illegal to receive contributions, so I don't think it compares to hiring foreign nationals. Hiring Steele might be shady, but legally it compares to having a Canadian data analyst.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

going the ideological purity route so they don't actually have to do anything

this. but I am sure McConnell also plans to offer side deals where he can and bust heads where he can't and hope to break the will of the moderates. it usually works that way.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link

So here's a quote!

Sanders, asked what POTUS says about Don Jr: ""My son is a high quality person and I applaud" his transparency.

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) July 11, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link


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