netflix clearly identifies netflix original content because it attracts users to the service. What spotify does is just add bland filler and hope nobody notices, which is very different. So I guess my comparison upthread is probably not so apt.
(now I'm imagining Netflix inserting random cheaply made episodes of Friends or Planet Earth or whatever within current seasons of those shows and just assuming nobody will notice)
― silverfish, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link
I like the idea that AI will provide these fake filler songs in the future.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
― silverfish, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 8:10 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
With C-actors, vaguely familiar looking sets etc. Now I want to see this!
Srsly the Netflix comparison isn't helpful in any way.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
I also don't see how this is substantially different than library music, which people love and even collect
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
actually, what this reminds me most of is The Sims 2 -- a lot of their Simlish tracks were recorded by actual pop artists, for the hype, but at least a couple of them were recordings by "fake artists," I guess we're calling them. the funny thing is now they've developed actual fanbases for their one song that isn't even in any real language, although it's hard to tell how much of that is astroturfed (fake bios/photos/"follow-up tracks" that are other artists' mislabeled work), and then whether that was EA astroturfing or just someone trolling
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
I wish that Spotify wasn't paying money to anyone for the white noise track we stream to my son's bedroom every night. The spotify software is infinitely more important to that endeavor than the recording we use.
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
If this stuff is bland and unidentifiable, why are people so upset about who records it in the first place? I'm more upset about Spotify removing useful functionality and apps.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:44 (six years ago) link
Really enjoying the playlist that this thing generates: https://surveys.spotify.com/affinity
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:15 (six years ago) link
đź‘Ť
― DJI, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:51 (six years ago) link
isn't it just a "daily mix"? some faves with some recs?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 07:53 (six years ago) link
No? Presumably they leverage the Likert scaling to fine tune the output in a more sensitive manner.
Also I'm assuming that it doesn't just produce the 'you've got great taste' playlist but also feeds into your entire individual recommendation profile, so has some effect on discover weekly, release radar, etc.
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 12:23 (six years ago) link
In any case the resulting playlist is a lot better than the daily mix, for me so far
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 12:26 (six years ago) link
http://spotify.me/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:10 (six years ago) link
I CAN'T STOP RATING SONGS HELP
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link
I know! I spent a couple of hours doing it last night, and it was so addictive I had a hard time getting myself to go to bed. Something about the near-immediate feedback of having the playlist update itself after every batch of ratings.
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
on the one hand this is a useful feature; on the other hand I am clearly not the intended audience because I use Spotify for reviewing albums, so I'll get a bunch of what I normally listen to and then Harry Styles
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
a lot of my assessments were fairly spot on but it listed my lifetime top album as neil young, harvest moon, which i've only streamed a handful from there, if ever. not sure how they computed that
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link
If this stuff is bland and unidentifiable, why are people so upset about who records it in the first place?
Another problem, due to the setup that Spotify works as two big pools, premium and free, is click farms that play their own music 24/7.
Spotify could fix that by directly linking subscription fees and plays by account (ie, your money, minus Spotify's cut, goes to the artists you play), but apparently that's too much admin.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link
where do you get the option to rate songs? this must just not be working for me... do you have to stay in the web browser?
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link
According to spotify.me, my most listened to genre is Escape Room. I have no I idea what Escape Room means, so I'm guessing it's one of the things Glenn made up.
― fffv, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
it's a genre of video games and/or live-action recreations where you solve puzzles to get out of a room. not sure what the soundtrack for that would be, let's ask Spotify's gaming section
...the answer appears to be Rag'n'Bone Man
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
well, you're only human after all
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
https://festivalpeak.com/what-is-escape-room-and-why-is-it-one-of-my-top-genres-on-spotify-a886372f003f
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
Song ratings is a browser based thing originally posted by caek upthread: https://surveys.spotify.com/affinity
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 July 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
So, basically, Glenn McDonald has control over the future of dumb musical genre names?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
vp over the future of dumb musical genre names is a cool job. or job title, maybe.
― fffv, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
dammit, now I have to get new business cards made again
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/12/15961416/spotify-fake-artist-controversy-mystery-tracks
― DJI, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 20:15 (six years ago) link
I like the idea that AI will provide these fake filler songs in the future.― silverfish, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:13 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― silverfish, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:13 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://www.koat.com/article/alexa-credited-for-calling-911-but-amazon-says-she-cant-do-that/10289228
― Louie Ramirez y Sus Blechos (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link
to post something in here that is not endless complaining: I do appreciate that they're trying, and trying different things. even if this particular version, with tracks I've already listened to about 1000 times interspersed with recommendations, is a bit uncanny-valley
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
There's this certain very specific type of modern R&B--lazy, completely (and annoyingly) unquantized beats with always a little too much time between the kick and the snare/clap/snap (you can just imagine the producer hovering over his MPC congratulating himself on his own genius), with "woke" borderline slam poetry style vocals--that Spotify desperately and insistently thinks I'll love, and keeps offering me over and over again. Get the hint, algorithm!
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
Couldn't think of a specific example because I usually just skip them and move on, but I didn't have to wait long, because this was the very next track on the list!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FAduzmtj_c
Except that's not as bad as most--imagine that except with the entire beat played "live" without quantization.
Kind of off topic for the thread, I guess, but I'm so amazed (not upset) that Spotify keeps presenting me with this stuff over and over despite me doing nothing (as far as I know) to encourage it.
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
Is it because i love gil scott heron? idgi
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
Where are we "offering" those to you? Discover Weekly?
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
I think? Or maybe they're usually on Release Radar? And definitely on https://surveys.spotify.com/affinity , which every 15 songs or so goes "here's another one! Are you suuure you still don't like this stuff?" XD
Anyway, I'm definitely not complaining, it's just so weird to me that there's this perseveration for such a very specific sound (I don't hate it, it's just not for me!)
Not asking you to do anything, just remarking on it
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
Actually it was less about spotify and more about that particular R&B sound, which I'm surprised is apparently such a well established niche
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
Ah ha! This thread is EXACTLY what I was getting at, so I'll go there to satisfy any more morbid curiosity that I might have: itt: kinda out there, maybe kinda experimental, maybe kinda pretentious modern r&b
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
you will never escape the room
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
Here's my stats on Spotify.me:
Top Artist: Stereolab
Here’s When You Listen:11:00pm Most active hour (America/Mexico_City) / 609min Streamed since Jul 2011.
Here’s How You Listen:60% of your tracks are danceable : Are you the life of the party?Overall, your tracks are positive : Good vibes only38% of your tracks are energetic : Pump up the volume
Your top genre is Singer-songwriter which appears in 28% of your top tracks
You’re all over the place. In the good way.One of the new streaming habits we’re measuring is listeners’ music Diversity. As one component of Diversity, we look at genre. 28% of your favorite artists are within your most-listened to genre. Did you know there are over 1,500 genres available on Spotify? We might call users like you Eclectics—bouncing around from genre to genre, open to hearing anything
You Are What You Stream Here’s what we’re starting to see based on your listening history:
Turnt : When you’re streaming, chances are you’re dancing. A 60% chance, to be precise, based off of your recent plays. Now, what you do with those beats is on you. But we aren’t judging.You Stream Like a Partier : You. Like. To Party. (Or at least you like party playlists.)
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
I do tend to use Spotify a lot on house parties and sometimes on my bars if there's no dj around so I guess that kind of skews the stats.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
How/where did you get that stats summary?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
spotify.me
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
Ty Moka.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
"Don't Go Where I Can't Find You" by Eraldo Bernocci is my most played track...huh?! Then, I realise... it's an album by Bernocci (who I've never heard of), Harold Budd and Robin Guthrie. And sometimes when I climb into bed I just say "Alexa*, play some Harold Budd off Spotify**", and this must be the thing it shuffles first every night. (* - Amazon Echo was a gift, I would never have bought one; ** - "off Spotify" cause Amazon's selection is poor).
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
"YOU ARE HIGH ENERGY! We can’t seem to find any chill music in your recent streaming history. What’s it like living life at a 10?"
Er, apart from all the soft-pedal piano ambience I fall asleep to every night that now dominates my stats?
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 13 July 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
Wait, holy shit, now that I've looked up "escape room" music, it seems like that's exactly what I was thinking about upthread!? Feel like https://media0dk-a.akamaihd.net/42/52/b98dc98381702043ec57a0797e2dd505.jpg
― Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
Your Top ArtistParliament
Your Top TrackDon't Leave Me This Way
Harold Melvin & The Blue NotesDon't Leave Me This Way
Here’s When You ListenBased on your most recent 202 streams since June 111:00am
Most active hour(Europe/London)1,010min
64% of your tracks are energeticPump up the volume
Your average beats per minute is122Toe tapping tunes
Overall,your tracks are negativeSinging the Blues
*Energy is based on the dynamic range, perceived loudness, timbre, onset rate, and general entropy of a trackYour top genre is Alternative Rock which appears in 28% of your top tracks.alternative rock28%funk rock22%space rock20%alternative metal18%post-doom metal18%industrial rock18%
You’re all over the place. In the good way.
You Are What You StreamHere’s what we’re starting to see based on your listening history.
All the Way Up
YOU ARE HIGH ENERGY! We can’t seem to find any chill music in your recent streaming history. What’s it like living life at a 10?
Insight ImageKeeping it 100.
Based on your most recently played tracks, we found that your average track tempo has a BPM of 23. Are you at a house party, doing HIIT, or both?!
― Odysseus, Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link
i stream "like a parent"
busted
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 July 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link
Digging some of the other genres I got in addition to Escape Room.
Escape Room 26%Chamber Psych 24%Fluxwork 22%
Now headed over to Every Noise at Once to see if I can figure out what they mean and where they overlap.
― fffv, Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:16 (six years ago) link
like, Chamber Psych includes Wooden Shjips, The Fall, Jakko Eino Kalevi, and Daphne & Celeste. okay, cool.
― fffv, Thursday, 13 July 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link