the alt-right

may have been to spur a “brain drain from the left,” as people fled from a political brand increasingly associated with hysteria, witch-hunting, and intolerance of dissent.

So is the argument that today's brainboxes are apolitical? 'Cause they sure aren't on the alt-right.

She writes in her conclusion that the left’s “embarrassing and toxic online politics” have made it “a laughing stock for a whole new generation”

Nothing of the left can be as laughable as this conclusion.

embarrassing and toxic hyperbole

i do support her "kill all normies" stance tho

Never thought of either the reactionary right or the left as a natural home for the especially thoughtful or intelligent

If the guy in the Che shirt with the fucking acoustic guitar at the march didn't cause some brain drain I don't know what would

i do support her "kill all normies" stance tho

if normies has become an alt-right thing that's sadder than Pepe :(

I'm not sure Nagle's book can be quite as bad as all the glowing reviews make it sound but will defer to someone who had read it.

so: would ignatius j. reilly qualify as "alt-right"?

i was just on Facebook and was wondering what happened to this guy i knew from college who moved to L.A. a bit after i did and tried to make it as a musician. anyway, he flamed out and once he started blaming L.A. for his problems and lack of success (rather than the fact that he was trying to peddle an image of either a Marlon Brandon-type biker or a vampire who i think was supposed to be eerie but came off like Count Chocula), I blocked him and hadn't followed him since. i checked in on him and he's turned into a complete infowars/milo minion and his bitterness about his failures is transparently driving him. lots of "liberal tears" type cackling. i wonder how many alt-right types are exactly like this. anyway, kind of depressing to see.

so: would ignatius j. reilly qualify as "alt-right"?

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he's a trad cath

you guys are the worst

nagle is at least trying to situate the alt right in some kind of context. these people are flirting with incredibly dangerous ideologies so providing an account of them seems like a pretty necessary task.

her main claims are not even controversial. of course people are attracted to the alt right because of the thrill of transgression. of course the internet created a situation where norms were continually reinforced, even policed, creating conditions for backlash. and of course there is real pain and feelings of marginalization behind the hatred we are seeing. it doesn't excuse any of it, of course. the tumblr left isn't "to blame" for the alt right. but all online political movements exist in dialectic with one another, not in their own little vacuums. the alt right is a product of our society and it has to be understood as such to be confronted and defeated.

of course the internet created a situation where norms were continually reinforced, even policed, creating conditions for backlash.

This really isn't a description of the internet that I recognise - there are subcultures where that happens because, well, because a shared set of norms is part of the definition of a subculture. But it isn't even "this is Tumblr", more "this is the bit of Tumblr that gets a lot of press because it's a demographic that people who write opinion pieces consider exotic" - and there's lot of other bits of the internet.

internet-focused racists and the far right

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-chronicle-of-predation-appetites-and-power

once he started blaming L.A. for his problems and lack of success (rather than the fact that he was trying to peddle an image of either a Marlon Brandon-type biker or a vampire who i think was supposed to be eerie but came off like Count Chocula)

I am HOWLING

he claims he was now doing grad school at Harvard but his photos felt suspiciously generic.

in college, he was pretty much an Elliott Rodgers type of guy, minus a bit of the bitterness but with a lot of received wisdom about women. he was always trying for this manly self improvement shit, trying to conquer the female question, etc via lifting and being a real bro and not really achieving his goals in whatsoever. my most key memory of him was how he did me the solid of borrowing my copy of "Sublime" by Sublime and playing it so much, handling so frequently, that he ended up scratching it so that it wouldn't play anymore.

this guy just photographed the fired google kid

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/magazine/the-annie-leibovitz-of-the-alt-right.html

is the NYT clear on what's "coded" and what isn't anymore

But he had recently gotten himself into trouble over a series of coded anti-Semitic tweets. (“Jews control the News,” he wrote in one; in another he referenced the “JQ,” or “Jewish question.”)

lol no they seem very confused

Rmde

next up: he's going to photograph the jogger who randomly pushed a woman in front of a bus in London

i agree w the key point of this generally bad article that south park set the stage for this shit somewhat

https://theestablishment.co/how-south-park-helped-empower-the-alt-right-a65abcc88c9b

sometimes i think my biggest beef with SP, besides not being nearly as funny as even its apologists on the Left insist, might be giving two generations of morons space to shit on climate science they don't understand, waving it all away as "lol ManBearPig"

South Park probably helped greasing the slide but the majority of the points aren't totally convincing. They certainly use Cartman to be gleefully sadistic but they also use him as a punching bag and a representation of the worst people, then there's odd things like using him to say that Family Guy is too cruel. Stan and Kyle clearly represent Parker and Stone.

There's a similar problem with gangster films in no matter how awful and pathetic they make the gangsters look, some people are still going to think they're awesome.

They did ManBearPig but there was also "We didn't listen".

i mean, i'm a moron who doesn't necessarily understand it all, either, but i'm not relying on a cartoon by two libertarian d-bags as my sociopolitical bible

fair, but i'm not sure that's the general takeaway. kinda like how ppl w/ really identified with/ cheered Archie Bunker, but more EXTREME

I think it's more fair to say South Park is an earlier manifestation of some of the same impulses. Correlation not causation, etc.

They did ManBearPig but there was also "We didn't listen".

weren't they both "lol global warming panic, the weather hasn't changed" episodes

I kind of enjoy SP's dedication towards taking the dumbest possible stance on political and social issues, though I do wonder if nowadays they've changed their "actually both sides are equally bad when you think about it" attitude

I might be wrong but I taken "we didn't listen" as a jab at climate change deniers.

As indefensible, boring and dumb I find a lot of stuff in South Park, occasionally they had something to say that was more interesting than I think Simpsons would have done.

They seemed quite explicit about Trump being way worse than Clinton.

haven't seen the episode in a decade but I thought that one was poking fun at the hysteria

What hysteria?

the whole "global warming is going to kill us all" thing

Huh? I have seen almost nobody publically take Climate Change as seriously as it has to be taken.

The problem is not a cartoon but rather damaged people constructing a worldview around a cartoon.

well yeah. its just what the cartoon appeared to be mocking. it's idiotic.

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/11/alt-right-shindig-neo-fascists-plan-giant-rally-to-support-confederate-flag-what-could-go-wrong/

i mean, i'm a moron who doesn't necessarily understand it all, either, but i'm not relying on a cartoon by two libertarian d-bags as my sociopolitical bible

when you say this, yes, of course, nobody would do that. but when you consider that a show has been on tv for 20 years, that some people who weren't even born when it started are now voting age, that now there is an entire generation raised by it, that it has achieved Walmart-level of cultural ubiquity (yes, Wal-Mart, who they "eviscerated" sells their DVDs, plushies, t-shirts, keychains, etc.) , clearly it has had some wide-reaching impact. even if it isn't specifically on issues themselves it has promoted nihilism, cynicism and other toxic ideas and attitudes.

whenever the SP debate crops up a lot of the criticism is that people are missing the jokes or too stupid to get the satire. this is beside the point. if they are selling a product that is so mass marketed that ironic racism can be taken the wrong way, they need to address it. now that they have made their careers off the public, they have a responsibility towards that same public.

fwiw also their attack on Trump was very weak, they just ran w the "he doesn't really want to run!" thing the whole story, and the Canadian Trump thing was only for one show. PC Police was a far more involved storyline.

I hear they're totally avoiding politics for their next season

of course, nobody would do that.

oh i think that idiot Stephen miller (the other one) and his "SouthPark Repubs" kind of do do that.

I hear they're totally avoiding politics for their next season

would prefer they just avoided making a tv show altogether

so much to answer for

like, there's a direct line ime between SP's ridiculous libertarian shitbag politics and that recent Google manifesto, techbro culture was weaned on SP

It's the "we mock both sides!" crap that skewers the idea you should care at all about institutions or politics and makes people assume there are small differences or things are all, if not equally bad, just bad.

I have a friend who is relatively level-headed but if I made some point about the debates pre-election or a specific issue he'd mention "oh it's like X and Y, always complaining about.." where X and Y were whatever caricature of the candidates South Park had created. Yeah, no, you can't laugh off particular issues when depending on how votes go, it could mean survival or death for people that don't live they way you do. If you're white and straight and not in poverty and you're laughing off racial or sexual politics, fuck off

I hear they're totally avoiding politics for their next season

i think it is smarter to focus on the characters more and this is their strength. storytelling focus more on the town itself and these characters we love. back to the heart music.

whenever they used a political topic, say BLM, school shootings, or Syrian refugees/Whole Foods(?), it felt exploitative. and not just of the fictional refugees living in a Whole Foods parking lot (makes you think!). it felt like an act of creative desperation. like Homer becoming a Hip Hop producer it feels like a contrivance to seem relevant.

why change now, they've been doing that for 20+ years

trump's presidency basically turning america into a real life SP ep and oh NOW you want to "avoid politics"

haha yup

Anyway, fat Nazis

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