Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

this is good

http://filmmakermagazine.com/102922-like-sand-through-the-hourglass-twin-peaks-the-return/#.WWkeSITyuUk

IIRC, none of the staggeringly-large number of TP actors who've died recently died while filming was still underway. Maybe Catherine Coulson?

But Miguel Ferrer died fairly recently, so he was at least alive throughout filming (how well he was is a different question, I suppose).

this is good

http://filmmakermagazine.com/102922-like-sand-through-the-hourglass-twin-peaks-the-return/#.WWkeSITyuUk🕸

Thanks for this, it is indeed

Harry Dean turned 91 today

will smoke a pack today in his honor

I think coulson died *before* principal filming started, which is why it was such a surprise when she was on the cast list. Don't think anyone died during filming - maybe the guy who plays toad

the log lady scenes to me feel almost like he just gave her a bunch of lines to read and then wrote the script around those lines later

The script was apparently finished before they took it to showtime so I imagine she's reading a very pared-down version of the part they'd originally written for her & they tweaked the rest of the script appropriately

here's something that popped into my head today: what the hell happened to that state cop who was accompanying the buckhorn investigators? He just disappeared from the narrative entirely. I know that happens in this but unlike any of the other characters we've only seen once I can't see what function he serves if he doesn't come back - he'll have been a literally pointless character. Maybe he'll be the one to investigate the warden's death?

I also want to hear an update about the state trooper who got radiation poisoning or whatever from the garmonbozia.

I'm kinda feeling that we'll never get those people back and I think it's a shame. In some cases it's a hanging thread but in many others it feels like they forgot about things.

I met up with a friend, who's a massive Lynch fan, and we felt the same way: that the humour falls flat in this. I have found very little of this funny even, or especially, the things that are meant to be funny. He agreed with me also that the Dougie thing was incredibly drawn out and not funny. My objection to the Dougie thread is not that pace or the slowness but that it's not interesting, not funny and, in some sense utterly superfluous (so far! I'd love to be proven wrong)

Playing devils advocate here, I just feel like the Dougie thing is completely pointless and that's the programme would have been better without it and that a lot mor bad cooper in its place would have been better. I was just incredibly excited when KM came in as bad cooper and there's not a single thing about Dougie that interests me. My friend was raving about how good Naomi Watts was but I don't see it. I just think he fancies her (as he should) and thinks that = an amazing performance. I think her performance is shrill and lacks nuance or skill but what's she going to do with the material she has to work with?

Im still liking it, on the whole.

To be clear, I'm deliberately hedging my bets here because I want this to become awesome but I'm also sick of people telling me how amazing this whole thing is whereas, to me it's like 25% amazing and 50% good and the rest is waste, as Mark E Smith said.

I find the different register between nuclear explosion + aftermath and possible huge repercussions and Andy and Lucy talking about armchair colours to be not very satisfying.

Disliking the Dougie stuff is fair, honestly seems designed to frustrate and disrupt. But I guess that's part of what's appealing about it to me? It's aggressive, strange, alien and something you would never fucking see anyone else dare to do.

Also there are 9 hours left, so pretty early to complain about loose threads. Though sure, there will likely be plenty.

Jed, maybe this show isn't for you.

The decision to essentially give Dougie dementia does seem arbitrary; I don't think we've ever seen anyone come out of the Black Lodge before or have it established in any way that that's what happens when you do. I'm guessing Frost helped guide that decision, considering Warren Frost's condition. I find it very moving for personal reasons, as I've said before, and I think MacLachlan's performance is brilliant. But how willing you are to accept that initial aesthetic decision probably goes a long way towards how engaged you are with the execution--for me it works because that's life with a dementia sufferer, it just goes on, drags on, in a mixture of bewilderment and frustration.

The initial reveal of Bad Coop as greasy and Bob-like was cool but the character is really thin for me, and low lifes and thugs are characters Lynch doesn't have a good feel for imo, they're generally only redeemed by the lamp karaoke, baby voices, odd technology, magic tricks etc.

I was hoping for more Dougie this episode. But I was very happy with all that Tammy.

Can't remember who was unhappy with Tim Roth, but can I ask why?

Je55e, it's totally for me.

I didn't express any unhappiness with Roth but I will now. He was lame. The brief shot of the passed out (drugged? dead?) farmers and the cheeto hand off made the scene though.

My friend was raving about how good Naomi Watts was but I don't see it. I just think he fancies her (as he should) and thinks that = an amazing performance.

:|

Tim Roth was lame in what way?

At least give him time to be lame.

xps yeah i feel like giving even the frustrating stuff a free pass because the whole is so good.

the comedy is landing for me, but not the super-obvious stuff (e.g. lucy & andy), more the gordon moments, tammy vamping insecurely, the black comedy that is diane

He looked like he didn't know what to do with his body and just slouched. He didn't make any impression beyond an actor acting, for me. Would've been better to grab an interesting looking nobody off the street, as Lynch has often done in the past.

I honestly can't see the frustration that the Dougie storyline is unfunny. Of COURSE it's unfunny, it's a person with the outward appearance of someone we love, unable to engage with or process the interactions of everyday life, against which the flashes of personality or character evoke deep twinges of affection, and joy which is swiftly dashed when the curtain closes again. If it's funny, it's funny in the whistling-past-the-graveyard, pitch-black absurdist, Grand Guignol sense. As is all the stilted humour and human-comedy of this series. It's both deeply sad and powerfully connecting, I can't take my eyes off it.

Good post M.

I don't see how the Grand Guignol extends to Andy & Lucy, unless they're setting us up for something...

I think the show would benefit from some variation in the pace & rhythm of the dialogue, let the actors breathe a bit

I think a lot of the Dougie stuff is just straightforwardly funny.

jed_, your post seems super foreign to me because this last episode is probably the most that TP (and maybe even the entirety of Lynch's output) has made me laugh.

me too, it was consistently hilarious.

aimed at no one in particular: whether or not you find mr jackpots hilarious (i don't), does it matter? as matthewk said, he's not really a comedy vehicle, but people get what they get from it, opinions is opinions etc. if you laugh, you laugh. it's twin peaks.

"It's twin peaks" otm; ppl have always struggled with this idea that a lot of what we're shown is "arbitrary" or "superfluous" - why are we seeing this thing that isn't an investigation or a criminal conspiracy or whatever when we have investigations and conspiracies to check in on? It's been a thing in this show since forever. I'd have trouble applying either of those adjectives to cooper's story tho because it feels like a lot of thought has gone into how and where he would come out and what he'd be like when he did (annie was catatonic after 1 night in the lodge, multiply that by 9125) and also because, you know, it's cooper's story. But yeah if I didn't find the vegas stuff funny or interesting (I do, a lot, obv) I'd be less keen on the show too!

What if he doesn't and it's a giant tease tho, that thought keeps coming to me (esp in the shower every morning, no idea why) and it'd really piss me off. Not that there hasn't been enough to enjoy (or love, James' smile, Bobby's tears, Ben apparently becoming a good man, so many other little moments), but REALLY. It's David Lynch, last thing I trust him with is fulfilling viewers' hopes.

I mean, what if this is it for Cooper. Kinda read yr post as "when will he come out of Dougie" not "when will he come out of the Lodge".

I didn't know people were so anxious about things unfolding and becoming a disappointment, like you and Jed up here. That thought has not crossed my mind once since The Return. I'm way more in a 'sit back and enjoy the crazy ride' mode instead of fretting about how it could go haywire. I've not seen anything that indicates that this will end a disappointment tbh. And indeed, still 9 hours to go people!

I mean, what if this is it for Cooper. Kinda read yr post as "when will he come out of Dougie" not "when will he come out of the Lodge".

Oh no I meant the latter, I was talking about what we've seen so far. For the record though Cooper will recover his identity, Leland told him to find Laura and he will, there is a 0% chance it won't go that way. This story isn't confounding in that way, it's prob Lynch's most linear since the straight story

Watts asked Lynch, later, when they became friends, “Why did you pick me? Why my headshot?” She got a kick out of the director’s answer, and she straightens on the sofa to give a full-bodied impression of what Lynch told her. She squints as if through cigarette smoke, and yaps: “I don’t know, Naomi! It was just the look in yer eye!”

Can not hear Lynch saying this in any other way than Gordon right now. Great long interview with Watts in the Guardian, not about Twin Peaks but worthwhile all the same.

(I'd not heard of that series but it sounds intriguing, is it any good?)

(Gypsy that is)

Haha watts is always good value

A gun id kinda love to go unfired is the room key; I think Audrey seeing it is still a strong possibility, but it'd be funny if its only purpose was to remind Ben of Laura Palmer - or better yet if Bellina Logan's character sees it several episodes from now, picks it up and stares curiously at it for several minutes before enthusiastically throwing it in the trash

There's a shot that's been in Showtime's promos from day one, of post-Dougie Cooper driving and glancing in his rear view mirror at something behind him -- a shot that hasn't happened yet in the series. If Coop doesn't snap out of it, that'll be a pretty amazing bait & switch.

It's David Lynch, last thing I trust him with is fulfilling viewers' hopes.

it's also mark frost, who has most likely filled a disused stadium with well-described, thoroughly plotted secrets and mysteries.

btw gypsy is being slammed according to the metacritic aggregate.

Did Johnny Horne knock a hole in the wall? If so, there could be a bunch of things hidden behind it. If not, I guess he's a means to draw Audrey into the story.

There could be candy in that wall!

The promos have shown Cooper driving and also looking around concerned, although who knows what his personality will be like. That bag of jackpot money is waiting for him to hit the road.

He's looking for Jade so that he can give her two rides.

that hole in the wall is the first step toward building a magic box to summon lodge spirits.

oh shit candy, yeah it's probably candy.

Could be full of frog/locust things. :(

I forgot about the money! The screenwriters' equivalent of a lucky 7 insurance payout for the widow jones?

I'm kinda steeling myself for graphic torture & murder of the warden in the next episode